Civil War What are the rosters going to be?

[ernesth100]

So I wonder...is Ragnarok(the cyborg Thor) a possibility?

 

[iambranded]

This Civil War will be nothing like the comics..... TRUST ME.....it may be a guess....but i dont think we will have a massive what side are you on campaign

 

[ernesth100]

I'm positive it'll have a what side your on campaign. The Ragnarok thing was too absurd I'll admit. But I can see people walking around with Team Stark and Team Rogers on their shirts.

 

[MbJ]

I could foresee a scenario where Pym is Pro-Reg while Lang is Anti-Reg. We aren't getting an Ant-Man sequel for the foreseeable future so that could be an interesting development.

Don't think Coulson's SHIELD is going to be united in supporting one side or the other, if Fitz's and Simmons's takes on the Inhumans and Terrigenesis being at odds with each other is any indication. Also, Coulson may be great friends with Stark, but his ideology is more akin to Captain's, so I believe him siding with Steve to be more likely than with Tony.

So far they have kept the SHIELD TV characters out of the movies so I suspect that will continue.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Wishful thinking

 

[Demileto]

So far they have kept the SHIELD TV characters out of the movies so I suspect that will continue.

Very true, but since posters were including Coulson and/or new SHIELD in their lists I chose to weight in on that.

 

[harryoscop]

Anti-Registration:
Captain America
Scott Lang
Falcon
Daredevil
Luke Cage
Jessica Jones
Spider-Man (switches from Tony's side)
Hawkeye
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch

Pro-Registration:
Iron Man
Nick Fury
Black Widow
Maria Hill
Bruce Banner
Norman Osborn
Vision
War Machine
Carol Danvers
Hank Pym
Hope Van Dye

Neutral:
Winter Soldier
Black Panther

 

[Pecola1]

My view:

Iron man: Pro Registration leader
Captain America: Anti-Registration Leader
Now that that's out of the way...

Hulk: Iron Man (Whoever has him pretty much wins, unless the other team has hulkbuster... he likely will side with iron man, which means either cap will have to steal hulkbuster, or hulk will be removed in age of ultron, or near the beginning)

Black Widow: Could go either way, likely will go with iron man. (she is more of the, follow my own orders, someone else can control what I do)

Nick Fury: I think he learned his lesson in Cap 2, it's too dangerous to give too much power to one govt or organization. Likely will side with cap, probably will be undercover for most of the time, may not even reveal to the public that he is alive still.

Thor: Iron Man, he needs the earth protected without him having to be there. The freedom of superheroes who live on earth is not of his concern, the safety of earth overall is. Him and iron man are the most powerful (after hulk of course) which means Cap and his team will have to go undercover to not be defeated easily. (My theory is that thor will be trapped without power in the vibranium cave/mine when trying to stop ultron from getting it vibranium. He would be disabled and would not come into play until after civil war has broken out. POSSIBLY: Cap will go to the mine to find thor, thor will not be able to use his own hammer, cap will wield it for him. When thor gets back he learns of the war and joins stark, but wont have any powers other than being an asgardian. (which means he lives long, and has some regeneration powers) OR Iron man will find thor when trying to get vibranium for his own upgrade, he will take him away along with some vibranium, cap will go there to try to stop iron man from taking vibranium, may or may not stop him. For sure iron man will leave, and cap will see the hammer left behind, and he knows or thinks he can lift it, takes it and leaves.

Hawkeye: He will likely be in the movie as one of the scenes is at his farm er whatever... my guess is he will go with romanov, which means stark all the way.

Falcon: In the comics he switches sides at one point, but in the movie he will be with cap at least at the end, and most of the movie.

Winter Soldier: Will probably be an important focus, his turning fully good and working with the other avengers needs to either happen in age of ultron, or civil war. If in civil war he will definitely side with the captain... he has had the experience of a government entity controlling him and he doesn't like it. Why would he give up freedom now that he finally has it? Besides... he's Steves best friend, of course he'll stick by Roger's side! (His role will also be important if say... capt america 4 will end up not having steve rogers in it... for whatever reason... not implying any bad outcome of the war or anything... just sayin'...)

Colson: If he's in it, he will be with Cap.

Ant-Man: If he isn't in it then that means his movie was a failure... which CAN'T happen. Assuming he will be in the film, he knows how evil mankind can be, but also knows how government doesn't always know who the real bad guys are... he could easily go either way. (From my little knowledge)

Daredevil: Because of his series being a tv show, he may not actually be in the war. If he is, he will probably go with the cap, because he is kind of an undercover type of guy. He doesn't really follow the law even when it's been made, why would he start following a restricting law that hasn't been made yet? (Again, I have a very limited knowledge on him)

Vision: If the story goes he is Jarvis in robotic form, he probably will side with stark. But if he becomes his own entity, not just a hero to be shown whenever stark is, (kinda like how falcon came with the cap but is his own hero) he fought in a world war for the freedom of people in the U.S., he likley will disagree with stark, as the butler disagrees with him often, even though he usually follows his orders... that is, if my theories are correct, and Jarvis AI is human Jarvis in computer form, and Vision is Jarvis AI in Robot form (Along with the soul gem which gives him morals, and other spiritual human components)...

Spider Man: Will likley be between the fight, more specifically siding with different sides at different times. Maybe wont be in Civil War at all, as the actor may or may have not been chosen yet and they likely have already done some filming by now. If he is in it he may be a key character, showing the struggle of a balance between freedom and government. He will probably look up to both characters, and both will tr to talk him into joining their side. Remember, he will only be a highschooler. It may depend on the actor, as actors sometimes shape the character they play.

Final Lineup (Others included):
Pro:
Iron Man
Vision (If he is controlled by Stark or sticks with him all the time)
Iron Patriot/War Machine
Black Widow
Thor (Absent Partially, may not have powers until late into the war)
Hawkeye
Hulk (Absent)
Scarlet Witch (Saw the mess of ultron in a very bad way, I don't know too much about her.)
Quicksilver (Same as above, except he might not be alive for Civil War if he dies in AoU)

Anti:
Captain America
Winter Soldier
Falcon
Agent Colson
Nick Fury
Vision (If he has the soul of (human) Jarvis)
Daredevil (Really don't know that much about him)
Ant-Man (Same)

Neutral:
Black Panther
Spiderman (Switches sides, or is neutral)

Take all of what I said with a HUGE grain of salt. (Or would it be tiny...)
As stated some of the characters I only know the basic backstory of, and never read their comics.

 

[MbJ]

A few of those don't seem very likely. For one, the Whedon has said the problem with the Maximoffs is that they view the Avengers as facists so they seem like they would be the least likely to agree with the idea that the government needs to step in and control all superhumans.

Hulk almost certainly won't be involved and I can't see Black Widow being Pro-Reg. She doesn't seem to particularly like Stark and is much closer to Cap.

 

[third3ye]

Hell I'll throw in my picks.

Pro Reg:
-Iron Man
-War Machine
-Vision
-Ant-Man / Giant-Man
-Spider-Man? (switches sides during movie perhaps?)

Anti Reg:
-Cap
-Falcon
-Black Widow
-Hawkeye
-Scarlet Witch

3rd party - Black Panther

Actual villains - Zemo & Crossbones

Sitting this one out - Thor & Hulk

 

[MbJ]

Reddit is claiming it breaks down like this:

Pro: Stark, Falcon (later defects to Rogers), Maria Hill, Vision, and Zemo

Anti: Rogers, Romanov, Barton, the Maximoffs, Lang, Rhodes, and Fury.

With Winter Soldier, T’Challa, Spider-Man, and Klaue remaining neutral parties within the movie?

Now I personally find Reddit to be completely unreliable but I thought some folks might be interested.

 

[Mike5575]

Reddit is claiming it breaks down like this:



Now I personally find Reddit to be completely unreliable but I thought some folks might be interested.

Reddit is no more reliable than any other website. They're just people's opinions, and speculations. Nobody knows anything.

 

[Mike5575]

So I wonder...is Ragnarok(the cyborg Thor) a possibility?

Nah. It will be about the Norse apocalypse known as Ragnorak. Expect Thor battling Surter.

 

[TalismanRing]

We're supposed to buy that Falcon initially sides with Tony after TWS and that Rhodey a Col in the military who's always been more pro authority and gov't than Tony sides with Cap and anti-registration? And Fury? He's be anti only if he wasn't the one in control or in a position to later grab control.

 

[MbJ]

Reddit is no more reliable than any other website. They're just people's opinions, and speculations. Nobody knows anything.

Which is why I said I find it unreliable.

 

[Mike5575]

Anthony Mackie has said it himself that Falcon will party with Tony Stark, but when **** goes down, he's gonna side with Cap. I picture Rhodes on the pro-registration side, but you never know. Cap has a military background as well.

 

[Xeno-noesis]

I just finished reading Civil War. It surprised me at how absurd and far Millar went to swap Cap and Stark's personalties and ideals to fabricate a Marvel civil war.

As I was trying to decide on rosters and read the ones posted in here, I couldn't decide on a common ideal or purpose for each team.

Is it possible Cap could be pro-reg in the film to correct the hack writing in the books? Logically, Cap would not be in favor of further secrecy and undercover shenanigans and then joining that group.

 

[MbJ]

Probably not. The guy who just spent his last movie fighting an evil conspiracy involving government overreach and military build-ups is not going to be in favor of the government controlling the world's heroes.

 

[Xeno-noesis]

That's my point. Why would he join an un-regulated, secret, vigilante group after all of that? He would want more control and thoroughness to prevent it from happening again.

 

[Pecola1]

I just finished reading Civil War. It surprised me at how absurd and far Millar went to swap Cap and Stark's personalties and ideals to fabricate a Marvel civil war.

As I was trying to decide on rosters and read the ones posted in here, I couldn't decide on a common ideal or purpose for each team.

Is it possible Cap could be pro-reg in the film to correct the hack writing in the books? Logically, Cap would not be in favor of further secrecy and undercover shenanigans and then joining that group.

I read a review on Amazon on the comic books that said the same thing. Only they based it on Cap being for the people, and Iron Man being against the Govt. (Because Iron Man always disliked the govt, he think they just want his toys)
Heres the comment if you want to read their input its LONG but I bolded the part where he agrees with you:
"What If?" handled this so much more effectively
By Jorge Ruben on February 25, 2011:

Spoiler

Since the "Civil War" crossover event has been handled by others with varying opinions, probably far more effectively than I could ever do, and since, if you're reading this review, you are most likely already familiar with the concept behind the crossover, I'm just going to throw a few observations I had while reading this book [there will be some spoilers below].

The gist of the story is that a third-tier superhero team attempts to apprehend a team of super-villains, with disastrous results: one of the villains uses his explosive powers, leveling, among other things, an elementary school and causing the deaths of 600 civilians, 60 children among them. The government quickly pushes through legislation in the form of a Superhuman Registration Act, which would require superhumans to reveal their identities and register with the government, in essence becoming government employees, complete with proper training, government funding and benefits if they decide to work for S.H.I.E.L.D. The fallout occurs when the one side in favor of the SRA, led by Iron Man, clashes with a second side opposed to the SRA, led by Captain America.

The first issue I had, and one that was harped on by many, was the characterization of many of the major players, for example, Captain America, Iron Man, and Reed Richards. Instead of merely rehashing the "well, they did away with 40 years of characterization" argument, I offer a possible solution: The story might have been better served by having Captain America be in charge of the pro-registration side and Iron Man be against it. I get where Mark Millar was coming from; he basically hung his hat on the concept that Captain America has been characterized as "a man of the (American) people", someone who embodies the ideals of the nation, not necessarily beholden to the government. And since the SRA, to Cap, is legislation that tramples on the basic freedoms of superheroes to lead their lives free from government control, it violates their civil rights. Since Millar never outright SAYS this, instead alluding to it in a rather improbable confrontation between Cap and acting S.H.I.E.L.D. director Maria Hill, we have to assume that this is Cap's viewpoint. Iron Man, on the other hand, sees this as a natural outgrowth of years of the people putting up with superhuman activity, and that if we DON'T have the SRA, the result would be much worse: the government looking to outright ban superhumans.

Now the reason I say that the roles should have been reversed is simple: Since Cap considers himself a man of the people, I figure it would make more sense for him to follow the WILL of the people, which is to HAVE the SRA. Iron Man, on the other hand, is the individual who has always been at odds with the government, since he feels all they want to use him for is his weapons. It would have made MUCH more sense for him to oppose the SRA, because in essence once he registers with them, he will be considered a weapon of the government, an end run-around leading to him becoming exactly what he has been trying to prevent.

I just cannot buy that a heated conversation with Maria Hill would force Cap, one of the most level-headed characters in the entire Marvel Universe, to become an outlaw. After all, this is a man so respected that he has access to the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and could very easily sit down with the POTUS and discuss the finer points of the SRA and how to protect everyone's civil liberties. On the other hand, Iron Man, the self-absorbed playboy who has always been Mr. Anti-Government, quickly acquiesces and becomes the voice of the government and, even more importantly, the voice of reason in this entire debate. Part of the problem is with Millar's characterization; as I said before, Cap's blowup with Maria Hill *when the legislation hasn't even passed yet* and his subsequent thrashing of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents is so out of character that it makes no sense.

One of the better moments in the story involves Daredevil being marched into the Negative Zone for his imprisonment; he gives Stark a silver dollar, calling it his 31st piece of silver, thus equating him with Judas. But if Captain America had been in charge of the pro-SRA group, I wonder what a chilling scene we COULD have had had Daredevil given the Captain, say, a copy of "Mein Kampf" and commented about how he once fought against the same thing he is now doing himself. As lonely as Stark looks in that final panel, imagine the gravitas of the situation with Captain America, a man who in essence was created to destroy Hitler and Nazism, now being equated with that same movement himself. And Millar could have gotten so much more out of Tony Stark being the leader of the resistance because he would now have to rely on the one man who he has been at odds with for so many years, Nick Fury, who offers support for the resistance in the form of hideouts and technology (since the government would cut Stark off from access to his technology when he becomes an outlaw). You would have Captain America and the government's S.H.I.E.L.D. technology vs. Tony Stark and Fury's S.H.I.E.L.D. technology. In essence, you would have an even battle between the two factions, boiling down to Cap's military experience and leadership vs. Tony's ingenuity. As opposed to what we wound up getting: Cap's resistance getting their butts handed to them in every major battle.

Another problem with the narrative is that Millar, despite claiming to not pick any sides and creating a "who you root for will depend on how you feel about the issue" narrative, doesn't hide the fact that Captain America and his Secret Avengers are the sympathetic party here. The aforementioned scene with Hill, the clock turning 12:01 AM on enrollment day and a S.H.I.E.L.D. hit squad busting into Luke Cage's crib, and automaton Thor blowing a hole though Bill Foster's chest are all at odds with Iron Man's rather logical and well-nuanced support for the SRA. He is an advocate of the SRA with the passion and zeal of the best lawyer, and yet his tactics in defending it are those of a bloodthirsty mob enforcer. The moment that Bill Foster is killed, even the most ardent supporter of the SRA would have stepped back and said, "wait a minute, we've turned into heroes killing heroes. Something's not right here". Instead, Foster is buried (albeit with an assist from Tony Stark and his vast finances) and forgotten, with one character's logic of "well, it's no different than a punk getting blown away by a cop because he pulled out a gun and resisted arrest". And again, I can't help but think that Cap would have looked at the situation through a different POV than Stark, especially when it came to heroes killing each other over a piece of government legislation. Instead, Foster's death seems to make Cap even more obsessive, even taking on the Punisher as a teammate (with disastrous results). A Captain America who would violate 40+ years of characterization by chiding those who would question why they're resisting and then allow the Punisher to become an integral part of his team makes you scratch your head. Likewise, a team consisting of Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Henry Pym, 3 of the most brilliant minds in the world, freaking out like a bunch of teenagers who went joyriding and crashed mom's car when Thor kills Goliath, then later realizing that,"gee, maybe we could have avoided this if we would have programed human compassion in him" is patently absurd. It's little things like this that ultimately combine to bring down the entire narrative.

Millar tries to make it epic, and while the book is entertaining (mostly on the basis of Steve McNiven's pencils) to some degree, it could have been so much more. Unfortunately, with Marvel's business model for crossovers, it's impossible to resolve everything satisfactorily in this volume because the story thread runs through individual titles like Spider-Man and Iron Man, meaning that if you wanted to get every single component and tie-in of this story, you would have had to buy a whopping NINETY-FOUR different books. So you can imagine how a 7-issue collection would barely be scratching the surface. And in the end, that's what it feels like, with Millar and company merely scratching that surface, swinging and missing as much as they connect.

(Review can be found here: http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Mark-Millar/dp/078512179X)

I disagree. The issue is not People VS Govt. It's Security VS Freedom. Cap has always been for freedom. Plus cap just went through the whole TWS thing with hydra. Iron Man seems to deny the govt his suit because he believes in his hands people are more secure. After Ultron, he no longer believes all power should be in his hands. It makes sense that being for security of people, he would hand that over to the Govt.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Tony is pro reg end of story. Ultron happens because of Tony so the entire world is going to be on his back about it. He'll side with the government to atone for his mistakes.

Steve doesn't know how to make robots and Ultron wasn't his fault. He won't want to be punished for Tonys foolishness...


War ensues

 

[Pecola1]

That's my point. Why would he join an un-regulated, secret, vigilante group after all of that? He would want more control and thoroughness to prevent it from happening again.

Joining a group of people against registration is not going to go out of control... it is simply people joining together to fight against the Govt. The Govt. if given too much power would cause TWS to happen again. THey would have power over all superheros, much like Hydra had power over SHEILD.

 

[queendarkness12]

I think Civil War will be a great way to bring back General Ross into the fold.

 

[BarryAllen]

Why does everyone keep putting Vision on the pro-registration side? I can't imagine a robot who spent his entire time being controlled would want to side with a more controlling side. Plus if Scarlet Witch sides with Cap, he most likely will as well.

 

[Pecola1]

I think Vision could go either way. It really depends on who Vision is and what happens to him in AoU. I had a theory that he is Jarvis (The robot) and that Jarvis (The robot) is Jarvis (Howard Starks butler) put into computer form in the same way that Arnim Zola was in TWS, then he is given the Soul stone and he becomes basically a human in the form of a computer, given a robot body, and a soul, making him practically a robo-human. The stone would not necessarily give him Jarvis's soul, but it would be a human soul... most would probably disagree with me though. In my theory it is still not an easy decision.
I think most people think that since Iron Man made him he will see him as his creator and therefore trust him more than anyone else. Again, for all we know this is exactly what will happen in AoU and Civil War, but it's pretty much all speculation. Either way I don't think we can REALLY tell which side ANYONE will go with, besides Cap and Stark.