What are your thoughts on Feminist Gamers?

[The End]

She's never even acknowledged it.

Every. Single. Interview. It's the same thing, talking about trolls and abuse, and call me cynical but there's just something so calculated in using that to your advantage while never, ever addressing one bit of honest criticism.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Either trolling is to be condemned or trolling is acceptable. You can't have it both ways. Instead of engaging in conversation you're engaging in trolling insults. You can't condemn trolling insults against Anita, and then use trolling insults on people that happen to have disagreements with Anita. It's hypocrisy.

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Was this directed at me?

FYI i DID engaged in normal conversations with the OP. Explained my point of view a couple of times...and i never said that i agreed with Anita.Wasn't even arguing about her or her point of view in the first place.

 

[TheLastBlade]

She's never even acknowledged it.

Every. Single. Interview. It's the same thing, talking about trolls and abuse, and call me cynical but there's just something so calculated in using that to your advantage while never, ever addressing one bit of honest criticism.

One common thing I need to address is the death threats. I'm not one to engage such practices, but there has been reports that Anita is merely hiding behind the victim shield. There's videos that state she was aware of 4chan and there were videos that state that she never played games like she said she did.

 

[The End]

I think that's sort of irrelevant; you could take that quote of her saying she didn't play games a number of different ways, I think that's way down on the list of things to criticize her for. She could easily have just meant she's not a fan of certain games or she could have taken a break from games and got back into them sometime after that quote.

Regarding the victim thing, I think she's certainly using the status of victim to protect herself from criticism.

 

[TheLastBlade]

I think that's sort of irrelevant; you could take that quote of her saying she didn't play games a number of different ways, I think that's way down on the list of things to criticize her for. She could easily have just meant she's not a fan of certain games or took a break from games.

I think she's certainly using the status of victim to protect herself from criticism.

I not sure if the gamer thing changed over time (I heard there were videos about her not being a gamer), but that 4chan thing is certainly a problem.

People like ThatGuyWithGlasses are certainly falling for it.

 

[The End]

Falling for what? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

 

[TheLastBlade]

Falling for what? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

They pretty much fall for her being a victim and supports her view on the damsels in distress as the hugest things ever.

Now I can see why they would want to break away from females being helpless, but I can't support their views on females being in danger with a black and white view. Especially when Anita showed false facts.

 

[Lord]

Problem is that most take little elements from her videos and completely exagerate whatever she says, if she says women in general are objectified in a game, it's because not all of them are so, if she took a scene out of context, it's that she's giving lies, lol.

Realy, all the major haters just keep nitpicking or taking her argument itself out of context, the response to her when she showed interest to jsut discuss these problem was simply disgusting.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Realy, all the major haters just keep nitpicking or taking her argument itself out of context.

She's made a career out of doing just that, why shouldnt truth chasers do the same to her? She started off with some great insight then she was proven to be a fraud and lost all credibility.

I did have issues with how gamers initially treated her as her fraudulent nature hadn't yet been revealed, but now, gamers are right to call her out on just about everything she says. She's proven she has no desire to better the industry and that she's just out to make a name for herself among other like thinking "feminists".

 

[Lord]

Not realy, how has she lost any credibility? Because she used bits from videos of other youtubers? Her points still stand, her latest video was pretty good too.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Who the hell is "she"?

 

[Lord]

Who the hell is "she"?

Anita Sarkeesian

 

[Thundercrack85]

Guess I'll have to Google that.

 

[Octoberist]

I think the backlash against her is getting out of control. It's one thing to disagree with her, but then death threats are forcing her to move, then it's no longer trolling but full on assault. People have to remind themselves of one thing: This is just about video beeping games. This isn't politics where a misguided mouthpiece can influence lawmakers.

It's the same thing with the bomb threat towards a planning carrying a Sony Online Exec. That's just terrorism. Hell, the dude isn't the only one on the plane, so other people's lives were threatened because of what? Video games?

Then you got the whole Zoe Quinn thing, where again, whatever people have issues with is taking away from the game itself. Now everyone's trying to judge her on her moral principles when it's pretty irrelevant.

I don't know you guys. I'm just thinking video game nerds are the WORST kind of nerds. It went from a 'war' on Feminism, to a war on Women. Seriously, I was like 'yeah right' but after reading the INSANE comments online, I'm convinced of it.

 

[Octoberist]

She's made a career out of doing just that, why shouldnt truth chasers do the same to her? She started off with some great insight then she was proven to be a fraud and lost all credibility.

I did have issues with how gamers initially treated her as her fraudulent nature hadn't yet been revealed, but now, gamers are right to call her out on just about everything she says. She's proven she has no desire to better the industry and that she's just out to make a name for herself among other like thinking "feminists".

Like what I said before, there is a movement against 'feminists' right? Which even right minded feminists are saying has a stigma about the word. But with any movement that gets bigger, you get a mob mentality with dummies joining in, not knowing WHEN to stop and when to be civil. (Which is the nature of the internet; people don't know their limits). Making death threats towards her throws whatever arguments these people had against her ideals. Also, people are confusing feminism with overall women, who are a growing demo in video games. They should be heard too, perhaps some should tone it down but they have a voice. It's no longer a boy's club which is A PROBLEM in geekdom. Fanboys are notoriously terroritioial.

Sorry, it's hard to tolerate that sort of behavior. As 'annoying' as she is to a few folks out there, she's just an internet personality and a human being.

 

[zenith16]

Like what I said before, there is a movement against 'feminists' right? Which even right minded feminists are saying has a stigma about the word. But with any movement that gets bigger, you get a mob mentality with dummies joining in, not knowing WHEN to stop and when to be civil. (Which is the nature of the internet; people don't know their limits). Making death threats towards her throws whatever arguments these people had against her ideals. Also, people are confusing feminism with overall women, who are a growing demo in video games. They should be heard too, perhaps some should tone it down but they have a voice. It's no longer a boy's club which is A PROBLEM in geekdom. Fanboys are notoriously terroritioial.

Sorry, it's hard to tolerate that sort of behavior. As 'annoying' as she is to a few folks out there, she's just an internet personality and a human being.

agreed this was also said here in this pod cast yesterday



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when it comes to the web people just go to far. Partly cause they think they can get away with it cause of anonymity. And what ever good thing that was supposed to be for the betterment that comes out of these things, become lost due those things and certain peoples action's ad oly want to hear certain things if it conflict with their opinon ohhhhhhohohoho especially if it's about change . and there just people just looking for fights period . That'd something these subjects can do with out.

I will say one thing about this stuff that was good with Anita Sarkeesian and all this craziness have at least pushed female characters like Zelda to be made playable where are they only being apart of the action in tv series be animated or other wise.

people are taking up the challenge in the games industry. so that's the up side . The rest .....

 

[Lord]

I think this quote that's running around is pretty good:

Trolls drive Anita Sarkeesian out of her house to prove misogyny doesn't exist

 

[Soapy]

TotalBiscuit brings some much needed sanity to this matter:

This game supports more than two players.

tl;dr: Extremists, no matter their position, ruin everything for the rest of us.

 

[Thundercrack85]

So, some person on youtube left their house because of alleged threats?

 

[Brother Jack]

So, some person on youtube left their house because of alleged threats?

Not alleged. I wouldn't recommend looking up the actual posts because they are horrendous but it goes beyond trolling and into elaborate and frequent death and rape threats.

 

[Thundercrack85]

...where? Only youtube video's I've seen of hers don't even allow for comments.

 

[Brother Jack]

...where? Only youtube video's I've seen of hers don't even allow for comments.

Wasn't on Youtube. More info here:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/27/6075679/sarkeesian-driven-out-of-home-by-online-abuse-and-death-threats
http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/28/6078391/video-games-awful-week

 

[zenith16]

Wasn't on Youtube. More info here:

http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/27/60...out-of-home-by-online-abuse-and-death-threats
http://www.polygon.com/2014/8/28/6078391/video-games-awful-week

yeah I know I saw that even Josh weadon became involved in this where that lady was involved ,before I saw vic's basement and posted/ put it up just yester.


hell I'm sorry to say some of the stuff TotalBiscuit does review wise is pushed by Extremists, in some place's like game informer and MMORPG .com dragon age being one of them and I'm always hearing about path of Exile from, them in some form. and that the reporters aren't allowed to be excited for a games cause they all all bought ad scamming us all with the exception of Total B which isn't helping him ether wow. people are having bad reaction to this ow cause of people that have made up their mind on things and starting to force their opinion on others.