The Amazing Spider-Man 2 What Did You Not Like?(Spoilers!!!)

[Andrew Lucas]

I agree.

 

[darknight7.1]

I was really hoping for an explanation of where he got the new suit and why.

But over all my wife and I really enjoyed the film. My wife, who doesn't read comics but has seen every comic book related film with me, Loved it. I always consider her opinion on par with the GA.

 

[BestGirl]

The planes were so lame. They were trying so hard to call back to the plane crash at the beginning of the movie, but no one cares about them because Peter has no clue about the planes.

It's not like in The Dark Knight when Batman knows about the boats and he's actively trying to save them. As far Spider-Man knows, he's just got to get the power back online. The planes added nothing to the stakes.

Not just Spider-Man...no one in the movie the audience cared about was involved with the plane. Not Electro, not Gwen, not Green Goblin, not Aunt May, not even the little kid Spidey saved early on in the film. I wonder whose idea the plane sequence was?

 

[BestGirl]

I was really hoping for an explanation of where he got the new suit and why.

But over all my wife and I really enjoyed the film. My wife, who doesn't read comics but has seen every comic book related film with me, Loved it. I always consider her opinion on par with the GA.

Based on TASM2's weekly drops, the audience doesn't seem to like this movie at all.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Plane sequence would be a little more interesting if, say, Aunt May or Flash were on the plane.

Only a little.

 

[Voices]

Yes... who cares if a few hundred people die in a head on collision! It only matters if there's someone important on the plane! Or if Spider-Man knows he's saving all those people! He needs to know just how useful he is!

Come on people. It was just there to show the immense danger that a power outage (and the cause of said outage, that being Electro) can present. It gives immediacy to the Electro fight. I'd say the complete loss of air traffic control is pretty high on the list of potential disasters caused by a massive power outage. Hospital equipment failure being another, which they also demonstrated.

 

[OriginalMiles]

Yes... who cares if a few hundred people die in a head on collision! It only matters if there's someone important on the plane! Or if Spider-Man knows he's saving all those people! He needs to know just how useful he is!

Come on people. It was just there to show the immense danger that a power outage (and the cause of said outage, that being Electro) can present. It gives immediacy to the Electro fight. I'd say the complete loss of air traffic control is pretty high on the list of potential disasters caused by a massive power outage. Hospital equipment failure being another, which they also demonstrated.

I get that, I really do. But from my point of view, I'd care a lot more about the planes if a character I know of is on said plane. The hospital worked better because we know Aunt May. imo.

 

[Voices]

I get that, I really do. But from my point of view, I'd care a lot more about the planes if a character I know of is on said plane. The hospital worked better because we know Aunt May. imo.

I'm sure if this was The Avengers they'd have Pepper Potts on one plane and Jane Foster on the other. I'm personally not a fan of coincidental storytelling to that degree. I don't feel like everything that's happening on screen needs to be directly related to the main character(s). It's a serious enough problem to stand on it's own and it would be cheap to inject a known character just to make it seem more harrowing. That's why I'm a big fan of TASM series and I'm starting to get sick of the MCU movies. They're just too clean and neat for my tastes. I prefer the more interesting, chaotic, and human approach of these Spidey flicks. Even if they're a bit more haphazard as a result.

 

[OriginalMiles]

I'm sure if this was The Avengers they'd have Pepper Potts on one plane and Jane Foster on the other. I'm personally not a fan of coincidental storytelling to that degree. I don't feel like everything that's happening on screen needs to be directly related to the main character(s). It's a serious enough problem to stand on it's own and it would be cheap to inject a known character just to make it seem more harrowing. That's why I'm a big fan of TASM series and I'm starting to get sick of the MCU movies. They're just too clean and neat for my tastes. I prefer the more interesting, chaotic, and human approach of these Spidey flicks. Even if they're a bit more haphazard as a result.

I guess it's just "Different Strokes for Different Folks".

 

[darknight7.1]

Based on TASM2's weekly drops, the audience doesn't seem to like this movie at all.

OR... It could be the fact that Neighbors and Godzilla are pretty amazing...

 

[Voices]

I guess it's just "Different Strokes for Different Folks".

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

Yes... who cares if a few hundred people die in a head on collision! It only matters if there's someone important on the plane! Or if Spider-Man knows he's saving all those people! He needs to know just how useful he is!

Come on people. It was just there to show the immense danger that a power outage (and the cause of said outage, that being Electro) can present. It gives immediacy to the Electro fight. I'd say the complete loss of air traffic control is pretty high on the list of potential disasters caused by a massive power outage. Hospital equipment failure being another, which they also demonstrated.

I get it sounds pretty bad to say I didn't care about the two planes crashing, but it is crucial that the heroes understand what exactly they're stopping in order to develop the conflict between the hero and the villain. If neither the hero nor the villain knows about the onscreen civilians put in danger, there's a lack of tension because there aren't any ties to them. When that happens, the sense of danger feels manufactured by filmmakers, rather than the natural result of character interactions. That's poor emotional manipulation, which turns me off from any movie.

I'll once again bring up The Dark Knight - Batman knows he's on a time crunch. He knows Joker will blow up the boats at midnight, so the urgency is there because the characters we are invested in understand the danger. If both understand the stakes, what they stand to win and lose, the conflict is stronger.

Spider-Man knows a blackout will do a lot of harm and that's fine. But shoving in the planes, which I feel were completely unnecessary to begin with, results in a bunch of jarring interruptions because it is so far removed from the action. It's important to have the interruptions make sense, not abrupt and uncalled for. It would be like Batman Begins suddenly cutting away from the monorail fight and show a mother cooking spaghetti (I stole this from HISHE), then going ape s*** and chasing her children around the house until the antidote for the fear toxin is released.

Several other superhero movies suffer from the forced civilian connection, but TASM 2 exacerbates its mistake by focusing so much on it.

However, I do understand your argument and agree that there was purpose for placing those scenes there. I just didn't find it as effective.

 

[OriginalMiles]

I get it sounds pretty bad to say I didn't care about the two planes crashing, but it is crucial that the heroes understand what exactly they're stopping in order to develop the conflict between the hero and the villain. If neither the hero nor the villain knows about the onscreen civilians put in danger, there's a lack of tension because there aren't any ties to them. When that happens, the sense of danger feels manufactured by filmmakers, rather than the natural result of character interactions. That's poor emotional manipulation, which turns me off from any movie.

I'll once again bring up The Dark Knight - Batman knows he's on a time crunch. He knows Joker will blow up the boats at midnight, so the urgency is there because the characters we are invested in understand the danger. If both understand the stakes, what they stand to win and lose, the conflict is stronger.

Spider-Man knows a blackout will do a lot of harm and that's fine. But shoving in the planes, which I feel were completely unnecessary to begin with, results in a bunch of jarring interruptions because it is so far removed from the action. It's important to have the interruptions make sense, not abrupt and uncalled for. It would be like Batman Begins suddenly cutting away from the monorail fight and show a mother cooking spaghetti (I stole this from HISHE), then going ape s*** and chasing her children around the house until the antidote for the fear toxin is released.

Several other superhero movies suffer from the forced civilian connection, but TASM 2 exacerbates its mistake by focusing so much on it.

However, I do understand your argument and agree that there was purpose for placing those scenes there. I just didn't find it as effective.

That would be fun to see, however.

I too think it's better if the hero knows, and if he doesn't, somebody he knows better be on that plane!!

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Let's fight.

 

[Mace Dolex]

- Richard and Mary Parker's subplot could've been eliminated
- the montage of Peter rearranging his room to godawful alternative college rock (sorry I'm not up on Top-40 radio songs)
- the cliffhanger ending not knowing how the fight with Rhino turned out
- too many sappy scenes with Peter and Gwen
- Harry's effeminate haircut (too Justin Beiber-ish)
- a stash of bus tokens just happened to be in a calculator, what if Peter never lost his temper making him smash it?

 

[Sundancer]

Someone remind what Richard uploaded at the beginning of the movie?

I kept waiting for that to come around and think I missed it...?

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

Someone remind what Richard uploaded at the beginning of the movie?

I kept waiting for that to come around and think I missed it...?

I think it was the video.

You know, when you think about it, why didn't Richard just send it to the police? Why would he record his side of the story and send it to a subway train that, as far as he knows, might never be found?

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

That would be fun to see, however.

It would be wouldn't it?

 

[Hurm...]

I think it was the video.

You know, when you think about it, why didn't Richard just send it to the police? Why would he record his side of the story and send it to a subway train that, as far as he knows, might never be found?

Or even if he pulled a WikiLeaks/Julian Assange, that would have been far more interesting as well.

 

[Spiderine]

Richard and Mary's subplot is not done because they were murdered. And the man in the shadows or Norman Osborn was responsible. That secret has to come out eventually.

 

[Hurm...]

Frankly, their plot line is so poorly received by fans and critics that they might as well not mention the parents again...

 

[Spiderine]

Frankly, their plot line is so poorly received by fans and critics that they might as well not mention the parents again...

Yeah, I agree. The plot line sucks but they already established Gustav was behind it and now he wants to create villains to kill Spiderman. And he knows who Peter is. I don't see how it can be dropped. The man behind the curtain is pulling all the strings. The same man that murdered his parents for their work.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Plane sequence would be a little more interesting if, say, Aunt May or Flash were on the plane.

Only a little.

oh man that would've been hilarious if Flash was on that plane wouldn't have minded if we got some comic relief out of him like that (though I'd say general audience would have no idea who he is and why "this random guy" is suddenly getting focus)

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Yeah, I agree. The plot line sucks but they already established Gustav was behind it and now he wants to create villains to kill Spiderman. And he knows who Peter is. I don't see how it can be dropped. The man behind the curtain is pulling all the strings. The same man that murdered his parents for their work.

How is Gustav behind the dead of Peter's parents? for the facts they have given us, one can't yet assume anything else but that Norman Osborn is behind everything and Gustav is simply his lackey or maybe like a right hand man

but you are correct about your main point, they can't just drop the plot line into thin air now

 

[Spiderine]

How is Gustav behind the dead of Peter's parents? for the facts they have given us, one can't yet assume anything else but that Norman Osborn is behind everything and Gustav is simply his lackey or maybe like a right hand man

but you are correct about your main point, they can't just drop the plot line into thin air now

That was the real point I was making. Whether it was Gustav or Norman but it doesn't really matter. Gustav knows what happened and this is a sinister human being. Thats enough to know he's dangerous and this is a plot point that can't be dropped now.