What do you dislike about modern comics?

[Lord]

Yup, that one.
One of my favourite wolverine stories.
And watching the movie makes me wish they had used even more The Origin elements

 

[Marcdachamp]

Yup, that one.
One of my favourite wolverine stories.
And watching the movie makes me wish they had used even more The Origin elements

Issue #2 absolutely blew my mind when it came out. Probably one of the first comics to ever really make my jaw drop by the last page.

 

[Fudgie]

Storylines that get milked just to make up issue numbers.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

This disturbing trend of not putting costumes but freaking "Street clothes" on Super heroes. Look! i was cool with the leather jacket phase over the outfit .at least the costume was still there and you threw in the jacket to give em a flair of edgy, but i saw the new Superman with dude wearing a t-shirt and jeans and workboots! WORKBOOTS!!! That costume sucks! i don't want to see my heroes walking around looking like some of the people i see at the opening of some of these movies, with a t-shirt on a cape!( no wonder you hear" i cant get a date!" haha) I was cool with Superboy with the tee. it made him kinda different, kinda rebellious. i was even cool with wonder girl cassie doing the jean things. But when the xmen went to wearing regular clothes leather clothes( they actually look more like the village people than Superheroes!) that was it. i blame comics trying to copy the films, with we need to have a realistic approach, but flim is a different medias. I want my freaking heroes with their underwear on the outside! Come on! they shoot laser out their eyes. They are not suppose to dress like us civilians! They are suppose to wear unstable brightly colored molecules with lots of cleavage showing, not freaking T-shirt,jeans and workbooks( what?!? he moonlights doing construction now?!!) Forget this realistic approach crap!
Thank you and good night!

 

[J. Custer]

Not too keen on:

*lesbian Bat-woman and for that matter all gay DC and Marvel superheros.

*"race changing" i.e. black/hispanic Spider-man, Nick Fury.

*changing characters classic costumes i.e. Nighcrawler, Storm, Mockingbird, Wolverine, too many Marvel/DC characters to name.

 

[J. Custer]

Yup, that one.
One of my favourite wolverine stories.
And watching the movie makes me wish they had used even more The Origin elements

Wolverines "Origins" : sad sweeping epic about a sickly, frail, frock-wearing, victorian rich boy that had an abusive daddy and grew up to be big and strong and hairy and beat up an overwieght pot-bellied cook with a tiny hat? That story was *horrible* not to mention the crappy story book style digital art. No strong pencils or skilled brush and pen work...just dreary color. Where was the excitment? the Marvel style action? Where was Wolverine/Logan? Wolverine's is a story best left mostly to one's IMAGINATION. To the best of my recollection it established: 1) Never mind pure adamantium claws Wolverine had little screwy bone claws FIRST (that "erupted at puberty" no less!) 2) It established that Wolverine actually has a thing for redheads, yep, it's no coincidence he had the "hots" for Jean Grey...WOW! 3) Boy was rich! 4) Ran around with real live wolves. 5) Wolverines age (why did we need to know that?) 6) He has a real name and it's James Hooowwwlett! get it Howl-ett! 7) Wolverine had a real Mommy and Daddy.


BAD writing....just bad. A dressed up turd is still a turd. Slick paper and dreary 'state-of-the-art' computer color (ugh and ugh.) can not hide that.


And the WOLVERINE movie was a frik-frak of badly excecuted ideas; Characters doing...something, shooting off sarcasm to each other, but having no good reason being together from the word go. Doing an adaptation of the comic would have been a VERY dull Wolverine movie.

 

[Watchman]

Computer coloring is far from terrible and there are plenty of great examples.

-Lack of diversity in art style. There are many good artists working for Marvel and DC, but the companies have too much of a uniform look to their books. For every great, unique artist, there are 10 solid but not distinct ones. I don't think that problem is unique to modern comics, but it's worth noting.

This, a thousand times this. Most superhero artist bore me to no end. They seem more concern with drawing cool, badass posses. That's why I loved about picking the Bat books in the past few years- the diversity of artists on the books and who know the difference between panel and pin-up. Quitely, Jock, Irving, Stewart, Williams, Burnham, Francavilla absolutely dominated over everybody working in superhero books.

 

[Marcdachamp]

Not too keen on:

*lesbian Bat-woman and for that matter all gay DC and Marvel superheros.

*"race changing" i.e. black/hispanic Spider-man, Nick Fury.

*changing characters classic costumes i.e. Nighcrawler, Storm, Mockingbird, Wolverine, too many Marvel/DC characters to name.

Um, why don't you like gay characters? Bat-Woman is a fantastic character.

Also, Spider-Man's race wasn't changed, Miles Morales is a brand new character.

-Lack of diversity in art style. There are many good artists working for Marvel and DC, but the companies have too much of a uniform look to their books. For every great, unique artist, there are 10 solid but not distinct ones. I don't think that problem is unique to modern comics, but it's worth noting.

I really, REALLY hope you're reading Daredevil right now.

 

[Lord]

Wolverines "Origins" : sad sweeping epic about a sickly, frail, frock-wearing, victorian rich boy that had an abusive daddy and grew up to be big and strong and hairy and beat up an overwieght pot-bellied cook with a tiny hat? That story was *horrible* not to mention the crappy story book style digital art. No strong pencils or skilled brush and pen work...just dreary color. Where was the excitment? the Marvel style action? Where was Wolverine/Logan? Wolverine's is a story best left mostly to one's IMAGINATION. To the best of my recollection it established: 1) Never mind pure adamantium claws Wolverine had little screwy bone claws FIRST (that "erupted at puberty" no less!) 2) It established that Wolverine actually has a thing for redheads, yep, it's no coincidence he had the "hots" for Jean Grey...WOW! 3) Boy was rich! 4) Ran around with real live wolves. 5) Wolverines age (why did we need to know that?) 6) He has a real name and it's James Hooowwwlett! get it Howl-ett! 7) Wolverine had a real Mommy and Daddy.


BAD writing....just bad. A dressed up turd is still a turd. Slick paper and dreary 'state-of-the-art' computer color (ugh and ugh.) can not hide that.


And the WOLVERINE movie was a frik-frak of badly excecuted ideas; Characters doing...something, shooting off sarcasm to each other, but having no good reason being together from the word go. Doing an adaptation of the comic would have been a VERY dull Wolverine movie.

Bad writing?
Bad art work?

That post makes me just

WHat's the problem if it's not like most Marvel comics? It was still a very good story, his evolution as a character made sence and the art was great, i think i didn't enough to your post

 

[J. Custer]

You did and that picture of Capatain Picard with his head down doesn't mean anything to me.

 

[J. Custer]

Um, why don't you like gay characters? Bat-Woman is a fantastic character.

Also, Spider-Man's race wasn't changed, Miles Morales is a brand new character.



I really, REALLY hope you're reading Daredevil right now.

I cannot accept a major gay/lesbian superhero in a mainstream Marvel or DC book. Must everything from the real world show up in todays comics? Reed and Sue Richards, Vision and Scarlett Witch, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, Peter and MJ etc. Let's just touch upon the love between a man and a woman and leave it at that. I don't want to see two women or two guys in a lip lock. I have enjoyed reading Love and Rockets, (and in more recent years) The Authority, and other books where gay characters show up....but in a Marvel (or DC ) book it's silly...and usually badly excecuted.(see Northstar from Alpha Flight). The sexual aspect comes off as a little too much information for a comic book hero. Guys that fight alongside Batman, Wolverine, or Thor don't...go to gay bars etc.

Sorry!


Miles Morales is now Spider-man(actually the only Spiderman should be Steve Ditko's/Stan Lee's Peter Parker.) Yep, now we're being served yet another Spiderman in addition to the various clones etc- further "de-uniquing" the character and the original idea. If they were going to do a black/hispanic character why not create something brand new? Do the writers lack the chops to create interesting characters that are unique in there own right?

 

[Watchman]

I cannot accept a major gay/lesbian superhero in a mainstream Marvel or DC book. Must everything from the real world show up in todays comics? Reed and Sue Richards, Vision and Scarlett Witch, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, Peter and MJ etc. Let's just touch upon the love between a man and a woman and leave it at that. I have enjoyed reading Love and Rockets, The Authority, and other books where gay characters show up....but in a Marvel (or DC ) book it's silly...and usually badly excecuted.(see Northstar from Alpha Flight). The sexual aspect comes off as a little too much information for a comic book hero. Guys that fight alongside Batman, Wolverine and Thor don't...go to gay bars etc.

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Hahahaha! Vision and Scarlet Witch!

 

[J. Custer]

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Hahahaha! Vision and Scarlet Witch!

Not sure what your post means and I can't quite hear what the cartoon character is saying.

 

[Watchman]

Not sure what your post means and I can't quite hear what the cartoon character is saying.

There has been nothing flamboyant or overly sexual about Batwoman or her relationships. In fact it's been playing around with the classic trope of superheroes with balancing a love life with superhero work. What's the problem with this? It's because it's with another woman? Kids shouldn't be reading this? Kids know that gay people exist and it's great that comics can show a positive role model.

Yet having a normal lesbian relationship is bad but the Cronenbergesque relationship between a robot and a mentally unbalanced reality warper is somehow fine? I don't get that.

 

[J. Custer]

I never said anything about kids. I just gave my stance on major gay and lesbian superheros portrayed in a Marvel or DC book. I haven't actually read Batwoman...but was turned off by the whole "and she's a lesbian!" thing. It's like making Collosus gay....oh, right.


and the "Cronenbergesque relationship between a robot and a mentally disturbed reality warper" doesn't accuratley describe any set of characters I mentioned...the Vision and Scarlett Witch predate any Cronenberg comparison and were never played like that-unless that's the Nu Marvel spin on it. There are alien couples in Marvel as well and they are still representative of the love between a man and a woman. Same with the other sets of characters and their unusual sets of circumstances.


"Superman" and "Batman" in a lip lock in a Marvel/DC comicbook....no thanks! Collosus having the hots for Wolverine??!! I flat-out just can't take that seriously.

 

[Marcdachamp]

I cannot accept a major gay/lesbian superhero in a mainstream Marvel or DC book. Must everything from the real world show up in todays comics? Reed and Sue Richards, Vision and Scarlett Witch, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, Peter and MJ etc. Let's just touch upon the love between a man and a woman and leave it at that. I don't want to see two women or two guys in a lip lock. I have enjoyed reading Love and Rockets, (and in more recent years) The Authority, and other books where gay characters show up....but in a Marvel (or DC ) book it's silly...and usually badly excecuted.(see Northstar from Alpha Flight). The sexual aspect comes off as a little too much information for a comic book hero. Guys that fight alongside Batman, Wolverine, or Thor don't...go to gay bars etc.

Sorry!


Miles Morales is now Spider-man(actually the only Spiderman should be Steve Ditko's/Stan Lee's Peter Parker.) Yep, now we're being served yet another Spiderman in addition to the various clones etc- further "de-uniquing" the character and the original idea. If they were going to do a black/hispanic character why not create something brand new? Do the writers lack the chops to create interesting characters that are unique in there own right?

The goal of the Marvel Universe has always been to reflect the real world. Why shouldn't gay men and women have heroes in the Marvel and DC Universes that they can feel comfortable with? Obviously, yes, this would be an odd thing if, say, Wolverine or Spider-Man were suddenly "turned" gay, despite years of comics in which they were portrayed as otherwise, but who cares if it's a new character?

How many of us were able to understand Peter Parker, based on his problems in his day-to-day life? Or his relationships with women? Why can't a gay Marvel fan, or a gay DC fan, have a character like that?

As far as Miles goes, Bendis is writing a new direction for a character that he has worked on for over 10 years! If he just created a new character, it wouldn't have the same impact. Instead, he's trying a new story. And I, for one, am excited about it.

 

[Lord]

You did and that picture of Capatain Picard with his head down doesn't mean anything to me.

Ok, the artwork was great, exelent, and i don't understand what makes you think it is so bad in it considering that the 90s were a place of really terrible artwork in comics like Wolverine too.
THe story was great and the characters were very relatable, and Marcdachamp's coment even made me remember of another thing, Marvel was allways supposed to represent the real world, it did that part well, Marvel action? This is Marvel action.
And the story was of high quality too

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I really, REALLY hope you're reading Daredevil right now.

Y'know, i was moaning about the inking in DD this morning, but I do like the actual pencils, the style of drawing and the layouts. Sometimes the inking works fine, esp in the big layouts, like the one with DD and Cap on the rooftop in issue 2, because there is a lot going on in them, or some of the more 'kinetic' panels, but a lot of the time in the regular panels, where folk are just standing around talking and such, which is most of them, it just looks very flat to my eyes, and it's because the ink lines don't have much dimension to them.

 

[J. Custer]

I have a hard time taking seriously a major hero gay guy fighting crime with men like Batman, Wolverine, The Punisher, and Nick Fury. Standing around having a serious conversation with men of war...meanwhile the guy...***** other men. The very idea.... It doesn't seem right with Marvel or DC characters. In fact it's ridiculous IMO.


I also have a difficult time with the scenario of, say for arguments sake, a male Marvel hero getting not the girl.....but the guy??? As Wolverine/Batman/Black Panther looks on? Seems out of place to me. as does a lesbian Marvel/DC superhero scenario.


both universes were better off before all the sexuality and realism....

 

[CelticPredator]

^ Isn't the whole point of X-Men accepting those who are different? And looking down on those who don't? Like you?

So what, two guy characters are gay. Big deal. Two girl characters are gay. Big deal.

If they SHOEHORN it, then yeah, it sucks. Just like anything shoe horned...but if they just have a character, and he happens to be gay or she happens to be a lesiban, so what?

 

[J. Custer]

Sure, but that whole thing cut and dry has been about humans and mutants...in simplified terms.

 

[J. Custer]

There are realistic elements in plenty of cartoons like the Smurfs, and Popeye, -does that mean we need to see a gay character in those? It's kinda silly.

 

[Anubis]

Wow, that is serious homophobia right there.

You can't see a Gay character fighting alongside...are f**king serious?

This has to be a bit.

 

[CelticPredator]

Sure, but that whole thing cut and dry has been about humans and mutants...in simplified terms.

Mutants are the GAY people. It's pretty obvious subtext. Atleast in the films.

 

[J. Custer]

It may have been misconstrued into that meaning; it certainly is not the case in the comic books, or at least it wasn't anyway, not the ones I came up on.....but seriously? I thought mutants were people born with powers. So, the joke is on me then, Wolverine is gay. I guess Scott Summers and Jean Grey too?