Comics What If? Spider-Man: Back in Black

[spiderfan970]

I don't think Peter would murder under any circumstance...Would he?

 

[Jamh]

BiB Peter had every intention of killing Kingpin at some point, so I don't see why What If!? Peter wouldn't do the same.

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I mean the Kingpin just had his wife murdered, manipulated the government into protecting him from recrimination for the act, forced him into a fight with Iron Man and S.H.I.E.L.D., and held his Aunt hostage at gunpoint to coerce him into letting him beat him to death. All within the span of a hour or two.

Can you really blame him for losing it?

 

[kguillou]

I dont blame him at all, in fact i'm probably one of the few that applauds it. I know spidey's not supposed to kill but hey let's face it, some people just got it comin to them and kingpin is one of them. Kudos spidey.

 

[SpideyZERO]

Interesting story, but ruined by the the little amount of pages. Everything feels just rushed. Badass Spidey is cool, but Stark is potrayed really heartless. Not too fancy about the ending and the last line too. I was hoping Spidey to become a cold blooded vigilante

 

[Blader5489]

Really bad story, and brought up memories of how awful Back in Black was. Waste of money.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I didn't like it. Rushed and just poorly delivered. I miss the old days of What If? when every issue was triple-sized and was able to craft a fine story. Now all they seem to do is take the recent events an' make it so the actual outcome is more justifiable.

Like see? We coulda done this but we gave you this! Love us!

 

[shogunrua]

I didn't like the little spit in the eye of those who didn't like "one more day" in the last panel.

 

[kguillou]

What was the last panel?

 

[shogunrua]

I meant when Peter is arrested and he says something like "I should never have married her". Ok I know it's just a "what if" issue, but I thought it was Marvel's way of saying "see ?! Even if it was MJ who would have been shot, Peter would regret he'd married her !"

Personnaly, I really didn't care about peter and MJ splitting up (even if the execution was very poorly done), but I know a lot of people HATED it, and I thought those Peter's words were a little bit disrespectful to those fans. But maybe I'm thinking too much

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Never read it but him not marring her would have saved her life, of course he would think.

BTW, Spidey has killed in the past, in the story where he finds out that his Mum and Dad are James and Jane Bond he kills some guy who was following him.

 

[spiderfan970]

That's weird...

On another note, I think that I'd accept this with a little more validity of J.M.S. wrote it, you know? With this writer it feels like Marvel just told him okay you're going to do this and end it like this. I'd like to see J.M.S.' version.

 

[JerseyJoker]

That last line is deffinetly a cram i down your throat line by Marvel, but i actually enjoyed the rushed story.

It definitely could of been a longer story, i like the art, and that line where he is like "I only wore that suit for her" or something like that before stepping out in the black suit, which i think is great writing.

But i enjoyed for what it is, a What If? story, him though punching Fisk through the stomach and webbing the guy was funny as hell.

 

[stillanerd]

You know what I find really ironic about this issue? For the past year, Marvel has been insisting that, because of One More Day, the marriage between Peter and MJ never happened. Yet this issue confirms that the marriage between Peter and MJ still happened and thus contradicts Marvel's own insistence that "the marriage never happened."

 

[ragingdemon155]

You know what I find really ironic about this issue? For the past year, Marvel has been insisting that, because of One More Day, the marriage between Peter and MJ never happened. Yet this issue confirms that the marriage between Peter and MJ still happened and thus contradicts Marvel's own insistence that "the marriage never happened."

My head hurts......

 

[imdaly]

That's weird...

On another note, I think that I'd accept this with a little more validity of J.M.S. wrote it, you know? With this writer it feels like Marvel just told him okay you're going to do this and end it like this. I'd like to see J.M.S.' version.

I'd love to see JMS's version of OMD Pt. 4 that he was wanting to go with see print as a "What If...?" title:

"What If OMD Actually DID Erase Decades of Continuity?"

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Yes, cause the writer who almost didn't want his name on Pt.4 of Spidey ****fest 2007, oh I mean OMD, totally was going to erase decades of continuity. No, imdaly, Quesada and his ***** for single Peter Parker erased decades of continuity.

 

[Themanofbat]

Yes, cause the writer who almost didn't want his name on Pt.4 of Spidey ****fest 2007, oh I mean OMD, totally was going to erase decades of continuity. No, imdaly, Quesada and his ***** for single Peter Parker erased decades of continuity.

The JMS version would have eliminated all the stories from ASM #98 onward, thus making the Goblin Twins to never exist (it was JMS' wish to retcon Sins Past), but it would have meant that Gwen would still be alive as and that Peter and MJ would have never married... THAT was the JMS intent... but Marvel and JQ wanted to maintain the continuity, hence, the last minute changes.

Whether you agreed with it or not is irrelevant... but continuity is still intact in the sense that these stories happened.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

It's funny how that story is always wibbly wobbly depending on who you ask. See the version I heard, QUESADA wanted to bring Gwen back with Harry and that was the final straw for JMS to make him not want his name on pt.4. (Though erasing Gwen's twins totally should have happened.)

Either way, continuity was ****ed up by this reboot something hilarious. And in a year or two whenever the sales drop low enough for them to repair their mistake, I'll laugh cause things will just be even more destroyed.

 

[kguillou]

I dont understand why JMS didnt just put a proper ending to the story he was building up to and then just let Quesada write OMD. That way JMS gets to finishe his story and Quesada gets to do the reboot, thats what i would've done.

 

[shinlyle]

As for this what if, I know it'll end with OMD being the "right decision"...so I'll skip it.

Wow...so I called it after all!

Glad I didn't spend the money on it.

"I should never have married her"....it might as well just say, "Screw you if you like the marriage".

 

[shinlyle]

I dont understand why JMS didnt just put a proper ending to the story he was building up to and then just let Quesada write OMD. That way JMS gets to finishe his story and Quesada gets to do the reboot, thats what i would've done.

Dude, after seeing what Joe Q came up with for this reboot, I'd hate to see how bad it would have been id JMS hadn't at least written three parts of it.

Then again, NO ONE in the Marvel Universe being able to heal a gunshot wound or go back in time, despite both having been done to death in the MU is about as stupid as it can get.

I suppose a blood transfusion from Wolverine or the Hulk (both with extraordinary healing properties) wouldn't have worked, and Reed Richards, who has done far crazier things, couldn't figure out a solution to at least prolong her life. Come on.

Either way, we're debating on how this piece of chicken crap could be turned into chicken salad...and it's not possible.

 

[Themanofbat]

Dude, after seeing what Joe Q came up with for this reboot, I'd hate to see how bad it would have been id JMS hadn't at least written three parts of it.

Then again, NO ONE in the Marvel Universe being able to heal a gunshot wound or go back in time, despite both having been done to death in the MU is about as stupid as it can get.

I suppose a blood transfusion from Wolverine or the Hulk (both with extraordinary healing properties) wouldn't have worked, and Reed Richards, who has done far crazier things, couldn't figure out a solution to at least prolong her life. Come on.

Either way, we're debating on how this piece of chicken crap could be turned into chicken salad...and it's not possible.

Just because people said "nothing could be done" might not necessarily have been the case... why would Doom help? Maybe Richards didn't want to help because Spidey was seen as a traitor to the Civil War cause, so maybe Reed turned a blind eye in a moment of anger...

It sounds crazy, but certainly not "out of the question"...

Just my two cents...

 

[Themanofbat]

It's funny how that story is always wibbly wobbly depending on who you ask. See the version I heard, QUESADA wanted to bring Gwen back with Harry and that was the final straw for JMS to make him not want his name on pt.4. (Though erasing Gwen's twins totally should have happened.)

I agree with you on how "stories" can get bent out of shape..

The way I heard it, JQ did want to bring Gwen back, but the new Braintrust writers were against it, not JMS.

The final straw for JMS, again, as I heard it, was that he wasn't able to retcon the Goblin Twins and that he couldn't make the changes that JQ wanted to work...



Happy New Year...

Mike

 

[shinlyle]

Just because people said "nothing could be done" might not necessarily have been the case... why would Doom help? Maybe Richards didn't want to help because Spidey was seen as a traitor to the Civil War cause, so maybe Reed turned a blind eye in a moment of anger...

It sounds crazy, but certainly not "out of the question"...

Just my two cents...

I know Doom wouldn't help. That was never something I would question. The only way Doom would have helped was if Reed had tried anf failed...then Doom would have done it to "one-up" Reed.

As for Reed not helping out of spite, I find it hard to believe that a) Reed would willingly let someone die that he could save, b) Torch would have stepped in and vouched for Spidey, and c) Sue would have sided with Spidey, and Reed would NEVER have done anything against Sue's wishes...especially given the state of their marriage after Civil War.

It's not out of the question, as everyone else in this story was written out of character.

 

[USMC]

Just because people said "nothing could be done" might not necessarily have been the case... why would Doom help?

Agreed 100%.

Maybe Richards didn't want to help because Spidey was seen as a traitor to the Civil War cause, so maybe Reed turned a blind eye in a moment of anger...

It sounds crazy, but certainly not "out of the question"...

Just my two cents...

Mike... c'mon! I know you love BND, I know that. But seriously...

You know that would never have happened.


And, though not directed solely at you, I think part of my own problem with OMD/BND is that the non-supporters who come up with viable reasons for having a hard time with this reboot (mostly because of continuity mistakes and mis-characterizations, to name a few reasons) are constantly given reasons (such as the asinine one above) for why it all works perfectly with no problem...

- Not a single person in the MU could heal a gunshot wound.
- Aunt May WANTED to die, and Peter went against those wishes.
- Peter made a deal with the Devil.
- Peter is re-masked, no questions from anyone in the MU wondering why there are gaps in their memories.
- Peter, MJ, and Aunt May ALL lived with the Avengers, yet no one remembers it.
- Civil War would have turned out differently had Peter and MJ never been married.
- BiB simply could NOT have happened this way.
- The symbiote, of all things, has no knowledge of Peter's identity.

The list goes on, and on, and on...

Until Marvel explains these things in some rational way, I cannot be one of the fans who buys a comic book for the sake of buying it, never admitting one bad thing about it, just enjoying it with a drug-like glazed look on my face as if none of these things matter whatsoever.

Nothing personal to the people who enjoy a series with no answers, but that is not me.