WHAT IF: The 20th Century Fox Marvel Cinematic Universe (2000-2007)

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It's kind of too bad that Fox didn't have the foresight or ambition to do a shared universe w/ the Marvel properties that they had at the time. Basically, the "unofficial" title of this series (if you want to call it that), is the Marvel Heroes: Collection.
 
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Fox can't do a shared universe with the characters they own.

They own FF and X-Men, but they legally can't have them in the same film. So a Fox MCU was not, and is not, an option.
 
Secret Wars is the way to cross over M$/Fox/Sony heroes. Do it Marvel it'd be bigger than Avengers: IW 1/2 combined.
 
Daredevil would've been hard to fit with the others. Fantastic Four and X-Men mix easily but I can't think of Daredevil mixing with the others too easily.

I miss those days in a way the quality of the non-X-Men wasn't good, though Daredevil was okay, but it was a simpler time when people just wanted movies and didn't get so fixated on them connecting and crossing over.

There was also no fighting between franchises. No Spider-Man fan wished ill against X-Men and vice versa.
 
Fox can't do a shared universe with the characters they own.

They own FF and X-Men, but they legally can't have them in the same film. So a Fox MCU was not, and is not, an option.

Don't be so sure on that.The assumination fox couldn't do X-men releated TV was wrong.And there has been renewed talk of X-Men/FF film.
 
Daredevil would've been hard to fit with the others. Fantastic Four and X-Men mix easily but I can't think of Daredevil mixing with the others too easily.

I miss those days in a way the quality of the non-X-Men wasn't good, though Daredevil was okay, but it was a simpler time when people just wanted movies and didn't get so fixated on them connecting and crossing over.

There was also no fighting between franchises. No Spider-Man fan wished ill against X-Men and vice versa.

Agreed
 
Daredevil would've been hard to fit with the others. Fantastic Four and X-Men mix easily but I can't think of Daredevil mixing with the others too easily.

I miss those days in a way the quality of the non-X-Men wasn't good, though Daredevil was okay, but it was a simpler time when people just wanted movies and didn't get so fixated on them connecting and crossing over.

There was also no fighting between franchises. No Spider-Man fan wished ill against X-Men and vice versa.

As far as Daredevil, I don't think that it would've been that hard or far-fetched to do a cross-over w/ the Fantastic Four. I mean, there was an episode from the second season of the 1990s Fantastic Four cartoon involving Daredevil:
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Daredevil would've been hard to fit with the others. Fantastic Four and X-Men mix easily but I can't think of Daredevil mixing with the others too easily.

I miss those days in a way the quality of the non-X-Men wasn't good, though Daredevil was okay, but it was a simpler time when people just wanted movies and didn't get so fixated on them connecting and crossing over.

There was also no fighting between franchises. No Spider-Man fan wished ill against X-Men and vice versa.
To be honest, I hated that era(everything pre-dating 2008). It was cool seeing superheroes I watched in those 90's cartoons come to life and all but I always got a real kick from the crossover episodes and wondered why this hasn't been a thing yet. I was just bored with the same old same old solo films run by executives(like Avi Arad and Tom Rothman) who didn't want to be ambitious.
 
Fox can't do a shared universe with the characters they own.

They own FF and X-Men, but they legally can't have them in the same film. So a Fox MCU was not, and is not, an option.

I don't think we know this for a fact unless we've actually seen the contracts in question.
 
Hmm I actually think its the opposite. Daredevil could easily fit into any universe because he is a street-level character who essentially stays in one neighborhood.

But putting FF into the existing X-Universe doesn't really make much sense. In a world where everybody hates mutants its hard to think why they would all of a sudden love the FF just because they got their powers in a different way.


Ahh the good old days. It seems like now everyone has to pick a side.

Well the way I see it F4 and X-Men are both teams and have FrNklin as a cross-point but Daredevil is a street-level vigilante whereas neither F4 nor X-Men are vigilantes or street level

Perhaps X-Force could be a crossing-point.

I don't think we know this for a fact unless we've actually seen the contracts in question.

Nobody has they all just assume. Just liked they assumed Fox couldn't do a alive-action X-Men show and one is in development

Oh the irony

I've never wished ill on any franchise. Never said any should be boycotted because studio politics or given away or other such rubbish
 
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Just liked they assumed Fox couldn't do a alive-action X-Men show and one is in development

That was never 100 % confirmed though (could be wrong) but that was mostly on rumored sites wasn't it ? & we have had nothing about it since that one announcement
 
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But putting FF into the existing X-Universe doesn't really make much sense. In a world where everybody hates mutants its hard to think why they would all of a sudden love the FF just because they got their powers in a different way.

I've thought about this before and up with a theoretical way it would work. Everybody's afraid of the mutants, and then you've got these four people who are in an accident in the process of doing something heroic that saves a lot of lives. So they become celebrities and role models, and then it comes out that now they have powers as a result of the accident. So the mutants look at this and decide to make The Fantastic Four their public face because of the heroism, family values, etc. The four of them do the talk show circuit and everything, and some people start to reconsider their anti-mutant beliefs, and others consider The Fantastic Four an exception for whatever reason, but some think no, they're no better than a mutant. Maybe they were heroes when they were human, but now they're pushing their mutant agenda. And then some radical anti-mutant faction decides to discredit and eliminate them, and that's the plot of at least one movie.

Now granted, I don't think that's what Fantastic Four fans would actually want from a movie, but I think it works as a way of adapting the source material to this idea of a shared universe. What I wouldn't like would be just tossing a mutant and a few references into The Fantastic Four and then saying, look, shared universe.
 
Nobody has they all just assume. Just liked they assumed Fox couldn't do a alive-action X-Men show and one is in development

The idea that an X-Men / FF crossover can't occur under the existing crossovers is an assumption. But it's one based on solid reasoning. Both Zak Penn and Avi Arad have said that crossovers require Disney's sign off. And unless the two separate character contracts specifically reference crossovers, FOX would risk losing both contracts if the studio tried to merge them against Disney's wishes.

The question of X-Men TV rights isn't an assumption. Legal docs readily available online specify that TV rights are held by Marvel. Was an agreement reached allowing FOX to put the X-Men on TV? Perhaps. Or maybe, like the Spidey joining the MCU rumors, it's more rumor than fact.
 
That was never 100 % confirmed though (could be wrong) but that was mostly on rumored sites wasn't it ? & we have had nothing about it since that one announcement

Fox leeked that lame rumor a few days before NYCC to compensate for not having anything legit to show. Didn't that whole Mutant X debacle reveal that any type of X-men based T.V. shows have to be a mutual thing?

Unless TV rights were renegotiated after those court records online Fox doesn't have jack in development.
 
They easily could have worked towards a Wolverine movie that used the arc written by Mark Millar that had Elektra, Daredevil, X-Men and F4. Obviously it could have been rewritten to work more as a team movie but it was solid enough for something big.
 
I've thought about this before and up with a theoretical way it would work. Everybody's afraid of the mutants, and then you've got these four people who are in an accident in the process of doing something heroic that saves a lot of lives. So they become celebrities and role models, and then it comes out that now they have powers as a result of the accident. So the mutants look at this and decide to make The Fantastic Four their public face because of the heroism, family values, etc. The four of them do the talk show circuit and everything, and some people start to reconsider their anti-mutant beliefs, and others consider The Fantastic Four an exception for whatever reason, but some think no, they're no better than a mutant. Maybe they were heroes when they were human, but now they're pushing their mutant agenda. And then some radical anti-mutant faction decides to discredit and eliminate them, and that's the plot of at least one movie.

Now granted, I don't think that's what Fantastic Four fans would actually want from a movie, but I think it works as a way of adapting the source material to this idea of a shared universe. What I wouldn't like would be just tossing a mutant and a few references into The Fantastic Four and then saying, look, shared universe.

All they have to do is make it clear that the Fantastic Four are liked because they are humans who got their powers by accident and do good whereas mutants are a genetically new and superior race that humans are afraid will replace them.

Fantastic four don't represent replacing humans, mutants do
 
All they have to do is make it clear that the Fantastic Four are liked because they are humans who got their powers by accident and do good whereas mutants are a genetically new and superior race that humans are afraid will replace them.

Fantastic four don't represent replacing humans, mutants do

Yeah, I really don't buy that. It doesn't accurately reflect fear or hatred. People have a natural ability to fear things that are different, and they won't all compartmentalize based on a technicality. If you're deathly afraid of snakes, and I genetically engineer earthworms to be as big as snakes and have scales and fangs, you're not going to go, "Well, as long as they're not snakes." Maybe if you had more minor misgivings about snakes you could rationalize that the earthworms are okay, but people with minor misgivings about mutants wouldn't be enough to bring about X-Men stories worth telling. You don't go from "I hate mutants because they can eventually replace mankind" to "I love random people with superpowers who could easily make superbabies of their own", you just don't. All of them are an "other", and there's going to be a gradient, and it's unconvincing not to represent that. And to be honest, a lot of people are unintelligent/ignorant enough about science that they wouldn't really understand that The Fantastic Four aren't mutants.

On top of that, it weakens X-Men as a series for people to be totally okay with these people having superpowers and in some cases strange appearances but only not like how they came to be the way they are. It's not that interesting to me as an idea. If you look at the stories we've seen in the series, Stryker wanted to wipe out the mutants because of what his son did, not because he was the next step in human evolution. When the military attacked the mutants in First Class, they didn't first check to see whether they were mutants or some nice, neighborhood superheroes who were exposed to cosmic radiation or something.
 
Agreed. That argument never made sense.

On the one hand they are saying people have an irrational fear of an entire race. And on the other hand they are saying people are so rational that they will make a minute distinction between mutants and mutates. That would never happen. Anyone with superpowers would get lumped in to the same group.

i'm afraid I have to agree that is why I prefer respected super-heroes
 
People do have irrational fear over minute distinctions in real life. No one cares that we're all the same now, why would they suddenly care when it comes to superpowers? It doesn't make sense, sure, but it is how society works.

An X-Men Universe would have been and still could be awesome. Instead of teaming up individuals, their teamups/crossovers could be whole teams.

X-Men (Wolverine et al)
New Mutants (young snappy Harry Potter-ish)
X-Force (military/dark Rated-R perhaps with Daredevil, Cable, etc)
Exiles (reality hopping action comedy quirky fun)
Big Team Up Films as needed
They could really have knocked it out of the park and upped the ante in terms of team up films.
 

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