What if the ALIEN franchise had gone differently?

Now that is pretty interesting. :up:

But the Aliens show a bit late don't you think? Or would that be like, in the first half of the film?


first half of the movie.....

you have the added threat of prisoners to the safety of Newt and Ripley... plus Ripley is pregnant.... you have Hick, who is trying to protect them, then you also have the Alien.... so what do you do... do you trust the prisoners in helping them destroy the Alien... or do they hold out for the company, which could be worse?

Also, having Bishop be a traitor was something I believe cameron was going for. Bishop was a Weyland Yutani product... you saw him doing research on the huggers in Aliens, and would have been a "oh crap" moment the second you see him with the facehuggers......
 
then, WHY.... why do it there.... like I said, the first two films had character development... why sacrafice that... and yes, they could have made these characters alot my sympathetic...

instead of having them inmates... change them to lead workers, who were left behing to man the facility....

I don't understand why a movie needs to have tons of likable or well developed characters to be considered a good movie. The movie focuses primarily on Ripley. Away from home, all loved ones dead, even though other humans are around barely anyone's on her side. It was her against the creature that's been haunting her since the first movie.
 
I don't understand why a movie needs to have tons of likable or well developed characters to be considered a good movie. The movie focuses primarily on Ripley. Away from home, all loved ones dead, even though other humans are around barely anyone's on her side. It was her against the creature that's been haunting her since the first movie.

to take a movie, and limit it to one character your invested in, is pretty lazy, specially for a two hour movie.

plus, like I said, by her being impregnated with a queen... you take away the fear of the alien...

you don't care if the prisoners are killed by the alien, and you know it won't kill Ripley... so, now it turns into a slasher type movie where you route for the bad guy.......

the only aspect that was original, was her having one inside of her. But you almost knew it was going to end in a self sacrafice angle...

anytime you have a creature, monster, or serial killer... you need them to go up against a group of people you care about, and don't want to see get hurt.... you didn't get that with Alien 3
 
why didn't cameron just say "hey, we got cool marines, forget about the development of their characters, and making them "idenviduals", people just want Ripley, and Alien scenes"

same thing goes with the first Predator.... you have a group of well defined people to route for...
 
Well, I enjoyed the Movie.

don't get me wrong, i enjoy the assembly cut alot, and give it to alot of people to watch....

I just saw alot of wasted potential... and no, I didn't want Aliens 2... I love the gothic horror to the first Alien and felt that needed to return since Aliens basically gave us everything and the kitchen sink as far as Alien action goes.....

that post I did about how I would have changed it... took me 2 minutes to come up with... Alien 3 had alot going against it in pre-production, but, if it was given time to breathe as a screen play, we could have got something truely great... not jumbled together
 
what do you guys consider the biggest drop in quality?

Aliens - Alien 3
X2 - X3
Spiderman 2 - Spiderman 3
Predator - Predator 2
 
I don't understand why a movie needs to have tons of likable or well developed characters to be considered a good movie. The movie focuses primarily on Ripley. Away from home, all loved ones dead, even though other humans are around barely anyone's on her side. It was her against the creature that's been haunting her since the first movie.

Both Alien and Aliens have a large cast but still managed to have memorable characters, and Alien 3 failed on that. And to say that Aliens only have likable or well-developed characters is wrong; Pvt. Hudson is a coward, Lt. Gorman is an idiot, and no one's a bigger creep than Burke. Most of them don't have that many scenes to establish their characterization, but except for Burke when these characters were killed you do feel bad, because you developed some connection with them during the course of the movie. But in Alien 3, when that dog alien was killing them in the tunnel, you don't feel anything. At all. And you couldn't care less if any of them made it out alive. The biggest loss you felt in the movie is when it was revealed that both Col. Hicks and Newt were dead. Everything else became ho-hum after that.
 
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what do you guys consider the biggest drop in quality?

Aliens - Alien 3
X2 - X3
Spiderman 2 - Spiderman 3
Predator - Predator 2

It has to be Predator 2 for me, because it was pretty much completely unwatchable, and there was no link between the first movie to the second because we didn't get to see Schwarznegger return, so it didn't feel like a sequel. Alien 3 is next, only because Weaver returned as Ripley, that's it. Spider-man 3 is third, because it was a huge letdown. I'd only rate X3 as the "best" of the bunch because there were some parts that were somewhat tolerable, but it still didn't change the fact that it was a big disappointment, esp. knowing that if Singer hadn't left, we'd get an awesome conclusion to the X-Men trilogy.
 
Predator 2 is awesome.

Why does it have to link in to the first one? Predator 2 expanded the Predator universe. Shows that they have visited Earth on many occasions in many different conflicts. Had the nice nod to the Aliens. Showed different aspects to the Predator like not killing a pregnant woman.

And it had Danny Glover and Gary ****ing Busey. How is it completely unwatchable?
 
to take a movie, and limit it to one character your invested in, is pretty lazy, specially for a two hour movie.

plus, like I said, by her being impregnated with a queen... you take away the fear of the alien...

you don't care if the prisoners are killed by the alien, and you know it won't kill Ripley... so, now it turns into a slasher type movie where you route for the bad guy.......

the only aspect that was original, was her having one inside of her. But you almost knew it was going to end in a self sacrafice angle...

anytime you have a creature, monster, or serial killer... you need them to go up against a group of people you care about, and don't want to see get hurt.... you didn't get that with Alien 3

Yes you do.

You really dont get the Alien series....it's Ripley's nightmare.

In Alien, she LOSES everyone. Every single person she knows on the Nostromo. She wakes up, 57 YEARS LATER, everyone in the WORLD she knew, is dead. Everyone. The Alien has killed them. Not indirectly, but if they didnt land, if the she didnt have to escape the Nostromo, none of this would've happend.

So now she's daughterless. Friendless, everyone she knew is dead.

She meets Hicks. Sparks fly, ect. SHe meets Newt. She falls in love. She will protect her until the end of time.

In Alien 3, the Alien strikes again. Killing more people she loved. It turns her character into a rock. She does not care any more. Until Clements comes in.

Same deal with Hicks, except they have sex.

And then Clements dies.

Everyone she's cared about, everything she's done, has come to this last moment, when she is impregnated with the QUEEN embryo. She knows what the answer is.

One line that, to me, sums up the entire series "You've been in my life so long....I can't remember anything else."

She sacrifices herself, for mankind. She is the unheard savior of the human race.

If that's not powerful, I dont know what is.

Unless 50 Powerloaders running up against 10000 Aliens is more meaniningful...but I digress.
 
Unless 50 Powerloaders running up against 10000 Aliens is more meaniningful...but I digress.

If you think that Aliens is only about Ridley battling the Alien Queen in the Powerloader, then I guess you really didn't get the point of the movie.
 
If you think that Aliens is only about Ridley battling the Alien Queen in the Powerloader, then I guess you really didn't get the point of the movie.
No, I ment to those people who want big epic war battles on earth, is silly.
 
Predator 2 is awesome.

Why does it have to link in to the first one? Predator 2 expanded the Predator universe. Shows that they have visited Earth on many occasions in many different conflicts. Had the nice nod to the Aliens. Showed different aspects to the Predator like not killing a pregnant woman.

And it had Danny Glover and Gary ****ing Busey. How is it completely unwatchable?

I liked that the movie didn't link to the first movie. The Predators hunt people all over the world, I don't want it to be another Alien franchise where you follow 1 person through the whole franchise and watch their personal war against the Predator race.
 
I liked that the movie didn't link to the first movie. The Predators hunt people all over the world, I don't want it to be another Alien franchise where you follow 1 person through the whole franchise and watch their personal war against the Predator race.

Yea exactly, the Predator movies are about the Predators and what THEY do.
 
Yes you do.

You really dont get the Alien series....it's Ripley's nightmare.

In Alien, she LOSES everyone. Every single person she knows on the Nostromo. She wakes up, 57 YEARS LATER, everyone in the WORLD she knew, is dead. Everyone. The Alien has killed them. Not indirectly, but if they didnt land, if the she didnt have to escape the Nostromo, none of this would've happend.

So now she's daughterless. Friendless, everyone she knew is dead.

She meets Hicks. Sparks fly, ect. SHe meets Newt. She falls in love. She will protect her until the end of time.

In Alien 3, the Alien strikes again. Killing more people she loved. It turns her character into a rock. She does not care any more. Until Clements comes in.

Same deal with Hicks, except they have sex.

And then Clements dies.

Everyone she's cared about, everything she's done, has come to this last moment, when she is impregnated with the QUEEN embryo. She knows what the answer is.

One line that, to me, sums up the entire series "You've been in my life so long....I can't remember anything else."

She sacrifices herself, for mankind. She is the unheard savior of the human race.

If that's not powerful, I dont know what is.

Unless 50 Powerloaders running up against 10000 Aliens is more meaniningful...but I digress.

what are you talking about... I undertand the whole "Ripley's Journey" thing... but the whole thing you wrote, does not address the problems with Alien 3.... sure, take out Hicks and Newt and have her alone in another alien world....

but why make nearly every supporting character unlikable, and unidentified? Why couldn't they have a group of prisoners, that look different, and have different personalities..... so viewer needs to have something to be invested in...

and like I stated numerious times, making Ripley untouchable took away the fear of the Alien... no one cared with the look alike bristish prisoners were killed.... you only cared about what Ripley was going to do with the queen inside of her....

the Alien became something you routed for in Alien 3, like Jason and Freddy in their numerious sequels... they inserted characters that you have NO stake in, just to be killed...
 
Clements, was a very likable character. You dont think he belongs. Dillion, while a rapist, was likeable as well, and 85, another poor sap, who actually became a hero in the end.
 
No, I ment to those people who want big epic war battles on earth, is silly.

I for one don't care or want Alien 3 to be set on Earth, with huge epic battles. I think a crafty movie can be made that doesn't excluse Col. Hicks and Newt, and perhaps have those three survivors of Aliens to meet up with another group of people, and then introduce an alien or two and wreck havoc. It can be another survival-horror, but done so with characters that you like and have an interest to see survive, and not those bored, faceless inmates from Alien 3. To me, the biggest problem with Alien 3 is an attempt to disregard the previous storyline established by Cameron, and Fincher just come up with a poorly-conceived storyline with less-than-memorable characters. There's a good reason why both Alien and Aliens are still much more highly regarded than Alien 3, and it pretty much destroyed the franchise until that lackluster Resurrection, who tanked it even more.
 
Here's a quick fix that would have dramaticaly improved Alein 3

no prisoners... she lands on a almost abondoned Lead Works facility, that is maned by a skeleton crew of workman. They are decent individuals... some better then the others... most have families that they are waiting to get home too.
 
Clements, was a very likable character. You dont think he belongs. Dillion, while a rapist, was likeable as well, and 85, another poor sap, who actually became a hero in the end.

Clements was the ONLY character who had any development,... but, he was killed too too early...

Dillion was only characterized by he dovation not to rape Ripley,

85 again, was not a hero, but a dumb guy who for some reason, hit Bishop II with a pipe, only to be killed.....
 
I really liked Predator 2...the fact you get to SEE the Predator in action a lot more was more enjoyable to me than rarely seeing him move in and out of the jungle. Sometimes leaving things to your imagination is a good thing...but in the case of the Predator...the more I get to see them the more cool I think they are. :)
 
Don't forget Morse!! He was a funny bastard.

oh because Morse, Clements and Dillion.... were completely succesful characters... specially when you compare them too

Lambert
Ash
Kane
Dallas
Vasquez
Apone
Hudson
Hicks
Gorman
Burke
Newt

christ sake guys... Jonesy the cat had more personality and a better story then freaking Morse
 

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