What if the ALIEN franchise had gone differently?

[akfj]

I wish this movie had been set on Earth, that's what everybody was asking for since after Aliens was released

The first teaser trailer even promoted it that way.

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[Lord]

Does anybody have the script of the original version that had sigourne weaver and the aliens on Earth?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

The concept was good ( Alien vs Pred ), the execution was not.

PS : and if it is one of the worst movies you ever see I think you didn't see a lot of movies

These fellows get paid to watch movies and they pretty much agree with me, it's terrible.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_vs_predator/

Oh if rotten tomatoes says so, it MUST be the truth

Next to Alien/Aliens yes it is not very good but it is not the worst movie ever when compared to master pieces such as Uwe Boll movies or the plethora of Alien/Predator copycat B Movies.

 

[Lord]

Alien vs Predator 2 was bad in Uwe Boll levels and the 1st one wasn't as bad but WAS BAD.
But an Alien vs Predator could have been very cool if it was more like the 1999 game.

 

[Teelie]

Does anybody have the script of the original version that had sigourne weaver and the aliens on Earth?

If you mean the Resurrection script fighting the newborn, it's here but otherwise I can't remember seeing one where she fought them on Earth. Unless you count the ret-conned graphic novels/books of course.

 

[akfj]

He's referring to the original Alien³ script. I don't actually know if there was a script that took place on Earth. Before the shooting script, there was William Gibson's which took place on a Weyland-Yutani spacestation, then Eric Red's which took place in an outerspace bio-dome, then David Twohy's which took place on a prison planet, then Vincent Ward's which took place on a wooden monastery spacestation.

 

[bullets]

Alien vs Predator 2 was bad in Uwe Boll levels and the 1st one wasn't as bad but WAS BAD.
But an Alien vs Predator could have been very cool if it was more like the 1999 game.

That would of been awesome.


I'm not a huge fan of Alien 3 but I did like the conclusion.

 

[Teelie]

He's referring to the original Alien³ script. I don't actually know if there was a script that took place on Earth. Before the shooting script, there was William Gibson's which took place on a Weyland-Yutani spacestation, then Eric Red's which took place in an outerspace bio-dome, then David Twohy's which took place on a prison planet, then Vincent Ward's which took place on a wooden monastery spacestation.

I've read many of those. I might even have them on a disc somewhere still assuming they could be read at all but online, I'm not sure where to look anymore. I don't remember seeing an Alien 3 that takes place on Earth except the retconned graphic novel and books I mentioned. They started out as a comic but then when they rewrote Alien 3 repeatedly they changed it to Booth and Billie from Hicks and Newt.

 

[Lord]

Ok, thanks, i tought there may have been an Alien 3 script with Ripley on Earth because of the original trailer and because in the begining of this page they mention sets set on earth not being used. In those comics did Ripley or somebody like her appear? I already knew Hicks and Newt appeared but their names were later changed because of their fates in Alien 3.

What i liked in the AVP 1999 video game was how like in the movies you only saw the aliens well right before they kill you, while i didn't like playing as Predator it was interesting to see how they would act against humans and with an army of Aliens.

Unfortunatelly Fox wouldn't use to much money with a future Earth setting for the first movie but in the 1st it could be set in a deserted planet and in ships, it would be kind of a mix between Predators and Aliens, i remember fans wanting the full movie in their perspective instead of the humans but that could hurt their ability to cause more fear.

What they shouldn't do is to much inconsistency with the alien blood and their strenght, and most of all, make the battle visible unlike with AVP Requiem

 

[Teelie]

If you want to know, I'll spoil it for you.

Spoiler

An android with her memories does appear in Female War although I forget how she/it got the memories of the original Ripley.

The books and graphic novels based off the comic are actually quite good. Some of the other books from the expanded universe are great as well (and some just plain suck). There are some extremely cool settings that would never be possible short of an Avatar level budget for a film.

One series followed marines invading what might have been their homeworld where they were the equivalent of ants. It was definitely a fully seeded planet with Aliens though.

And the original AVP PC game from Rebellion was awesome. It was disappointing playing their sequel/remake.

 

[Lord]

I didn't play alien vs Predator 2 or the newest game but from what i've seen the new one doesn't seem that bad

 

[Teelie]

AVP2 was fun especially the multiplayer before it was overrun with cheaters. The AVP that recently came out had a poorly thrown together multiplayer that didn't (and afaik still doesn't) support dedicated servers and was terrible although I hear they fixed it up with a patch and it's not as bad as it was. I haven't tried it since release so that might be outdated and I have no interest in trying it out.

The single player was good although I found the controls and gameplay a little poorly done IMO. It wasn't that the game was bad it just was not what I was expecting. The story was there but manuevering and managing weapons against different enemies didn't have the feel of the previous games. I really found the wall climbing for the xenomorphs annoying. Predator gameplay was better and the Marine was similar to most FPS games so it's at least familar.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Oh if rotten tomatoes says so, it MUST be the truth

I didn't say that. You attempted to dismiss my opinion thinking it was because I didn't watch movies so I have you the opinions of people who are paid to watch and review many movies.
That indeed, is true. They agree with me, it sucks balls. If there is indeed a black hole at the centre of the milkyway, it's hopefully sucking in more light to lower the chances of crap like this being released aga... Oh there was a sequel, it was even worse. Scratch that. Who is to blame for this crap? Why, we are. We paid for the tickets just like the fanboys who go to see transformers, well aware they are watching crap as well as perpetuating more crap.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I always wondered why the AVP movies weren't more like the FPS games. Those games right there are a great basis for a good AVP movie.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I didn't say that. You attempted to dismiss my opinion thinking it was because I didn't watch movies so I have you the opinions of people who are paid to watch and review many movies.
That indeed, is true. They agree with me, it sucks balls. If there is indeed a black hole at the centre of the milkyway, it's hopefully sucking in more light to lower the chances of crap like this being released aga... Oh there was a sequel, it was even worse. Scratch that. Who is to blame for this crap? Why, we are. We paid for the tickets just like the fanboys who go to see transformers, well aware they are watching crap as well as perpetuating more crap.

No, I didn't think you didn't see the movie ( because I am sure you did as 99% of scifi fans ), I just don't count rottentomatoes as proof it was crap. I don't blame us fans for the **** we get ( AvP2 or more so AvP1 or TF ) I blame the writers and the studio ( and M Bay for TF ).

 

[Teelie]

The original AVP comic with Mariko (I think was her name?) would've been spectacular and not an unreasonable budget. It would require some changes of course but it was so much better than the ones we got instead.

No, Hollywood went for lowest common denominator, played it safe and did all the typical and expected lines and convoluted writing we've come to expect from people who "know" better than everyone else what the audience wants only to scratch their heads when it does less than expected.

The first AVP movie did better than I thought, seeing how poorly constructed it was but the sequel definitely killed off any hope of a proper AVP movie in my mind. At least we managed to get Predators which was a decent sequel.

 

[co2]

And perhaps they never should have tried to make it a franchise. Is The Godfather a franchise? The third one adds nothing to the table and everyone would have been just fine if it ended with Part 2.

There's a reason nobody had been able to continue the story successfully. There wasn't really a story to continue. The aliens don't have personalities and most of their mysteries had been resolved. Ripley had faced her fears and overcome her ptsd and survivor guilt. Other than retreading Aliens or killing Ripley off, what was there truly left to explore? Bond is able to vary the formula because the bad guys look and act different, they mix up the actors, they vary the Bond girls, and they have plenty of different settings. Once you start resolving the mysteries of the aliens, it's diminishing returns unless you have a really clever script, which neither 3 nor Resurrection had. Fincher did some good things with 3, but that's more a noble failure of an auteur than a success.

At least Prometheus seems to acknowledge that. It goes back to the time when the creatures are still a mystery and there's no Ripley in sight.

You may have a point. There is only so much that can be done with the same ingredients. Miss or not, 3 tried to add something, it just wasn't enough. By the time they got to Resurrection, there was no juice left in the tank.

People debate as much about the AVP movies. Though neither is a good movie, I don't hate either of them. I enjoy 2 a bit more. The first one seemed like a movie version of the video game...kid stuff, where the 2nd at least felt more based on the films.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

AvP2 the game had such a sick story...i wonder why they never adapted it?

the AvP books with Machiko were also good though i only read Prey and Hunter's Planet

 

[Lord]

You may have a point. There is only so much that can be done with the same ingredients. Miss or not, 3 tried to add something, it just wasn't enough. By the time they got to Resurrection, there was no juice left in the tank.

People debate as much about the AVP movies. Though neither is a good movie, I don't hate either of them. I enjoy 2 a bit more. The first one seemed like a movie version of the video game...kid stuff, where the 2nd at least felt more based on the films.

For me as bad as the first AVP movie is the 2nd is much worse, the camera and lights are so dark i can't see a think, the story became a generic bad slasher movie, the story was only trying to show us blood and action, however because the cameras were terribly used i couldn't even apreciate that.
AVP 1 is bad piece of hollywood, AVP 2 is a terrible trash of cinema, everything sucks, the only thing that the movie did that i liked was showing the predators planets, yet it was for some secounds and the rest sucked so BAD.
I hope one day somebody will decide to make justice to AVP and make a movie more in line with Predators and Aliens.
AVP Requiem just seems like an Uwe Boll movie to me

 

[Lord]

I just bought AVP Classic 2000 on steam, i can't find the AVP 2 game, i tried Pirate Bay but it was no good

 

[Teelie]

I still have my "Gold Edition" of the original AVP discs and the box but playing it on XP it has a comically fast framerate. I may pick up the Steam Edition and play it again for old times sake.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'd kill to see an AVP movie in the Alien time period, setting it in the Predator time period was idiotic. I actually wouldn't mind seeing the next Predator movie being about a Predator facing off the Colonial Marines, so it seems that the two series are actually connected outside of the AvP series.

 

[Lord]

Answering this thread's question i would have made Alien 3 and 4 be shot back-to-back like it was originally intended, Alien 3 would have been about Newt and Hicks like the first Dark Horse mini series, Alien 4 would have been an all out war on earth.
Alien 3 could actually end with the Aliens arriving on earth and many of them beeing destroyed while some would survive and create nests on Earth.

I didn't see Prometheus yet but from what i hear it's very good, i hope somebody realises the potencial of the Alien franchise and decides to make another good one, with today's technology you can easilly make a lot of cool environments.

I also hope Aliens vs Predator gets a decent treatment some time, but set on the future this time.

 

[Slushy]

Alien 3 is overrated. It's a sh**ty version of Alien.

I actually enjoyed Alien Resurrection, but the Alien Hybrid creature ruined it for me.

 

[Lord]

Alien 3 isn't overrrated, it's already hated anough, Alien Ressurrection was the true black sheep for me, while i like Alien 3 to some extent i woudn't mind if that one and Ressurrection were retconed along with the AVP films, with Weaver now older a film where the aliens reach earth and she makes a cameo or serves as an advisor during the atrack.

I wasn't a big fan of Hicks, in fact i barelly noticed and believed him to be dead by the midle of the film, but not using him or Newt in a continuation was a big mistake, fans liked them, they could have replaced Ripley, now everybody's having troubles finding a new character as successful as Ripley.

From now on i hope 20th Century Fox tries to make good Alien films, i also hope that a new Alien vs Predator film is made, but by a better filmmaker.