What if Tim Burton Continued with Batman Forever and Batman & Robin

[Majik1387]

Sure, but not as Robin. Robin should be a cool teenager with formidable fighting skills, not a geek.

And again, that's not Jason Schwartzman as Robin

 

[JohnnyGobbs]

And again, that's not Jason Schwartzman as Robin

Sorry for the mistake. Can I enquire who it is then?

 

[webhead731]

I would have LOVED to see Burton take a shot at Scarecrow.

 

[Harry_Lime02]

I would have liked to have seen Billy Dee's Two Face. I'm sure it would've been better than TLJ's ham-tastic Joker impression.

 

[El Payaso]

Yes...but I was confused by your last post:



Burton DID want Wayans as Robin, but the WB didn't want him in until BF, and he signed the dotted lines to finally be in the movie, until Schumacher paid him off and went to find O'Donnell.

Thing is that Robin might have been there in both movies and it was Burton who said "no." Nobody else.

 

[ALP]

To me it seems like Burton said everything Batman he had to say with B89 and BR.

Ultimately, I agree.

But Burton's rendition of Scarecrow would have been absolutely amazing. No Doubt

 

[Two-Face]

I would have liked to have seen Billy Dee's Two Face. I'm sure it would've been better than TLJ's ham-tastic Joker impression.

I wouldn't blame TLJ for that he's a great actor and Schumacher who wanted him to play like that.

 

[LightningFlash]

Thing is that Robin might have been there in both movies and it was Burton who said "no." Nobody else.

Then...explain why Wayans signed on to play as Robin for Batman Forever until Schumacher became the new director?

 

[ALP]

^I'm not sure if it was specifically Burton who signed Wayan on in Batman Forever.

From everything I have ever read and even the interviews with the crew members, etc., Burton had nothing to do with BF. Correct me if I am wrong, but Burton did not enter any kind of production on BF. He says on the DVD that directly after BR came out, he stepped down and was not asked to helm the third.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

He had some involvement (although likely very very little), because he's credited as a Producer on Batman Forever. He had some meeting with Schumacher and the Batchlers, like giving them a blessing to go on and do their thing (as they tell it). But after his first meeting with Warner execs post-Returns, about the potential for a third film, they basically pushed him out, and he went on to his next project apparently without much objection.

 

[returntovoid]

I would have LOVED to see Burton take a shot at Scarecrow.

His Scarecrow would have been awesome.

 

[returntovoid]

Selina is not just another girl in his life.

Exactly!

At the end of the movie he openly quits as Batman so he and Selina can be together. That's why it never bothered me that he unmasked himself in front of Max Shreck. At that point, Bruce was quitting and he cared about nothing but Selina in his life.

I never thought of the scene as him quitting, to me if they did end up together at the end.... They would probably become a crime-fighting team.

 

[El Payaso]

Exactly!



I never thought of the scene as him quitting, to me if they did end up together at the end.... They would probably become a crime-fighting team.

Yes, could be. But the mask-ripping was too much of a symbol of "hey Selina, aren't you sick of having to wear a mask all the time, never being yourself, because I am." He felt like he was literally getting rid of his bat persona. To which Selina replies something like, "Yes, I'd love to live with you forever in your castle like in a fairy tale, but don't pretend this is a happy ending."

Not saying you're wrong, but this is how I got it.

 

[Two-Face]

I think Bruce was gonna give up being Batman if Sekina wanted to live with him.

 

[DarkKnight88]

And again, that's not Jason Schwartzman as Robin

When has Jason Schwartzman NOT played a geek? He's pretty much the epitome of geek.

 

[Macphisto]

He had some involvement (although likely very very little), because he's credited as a Producer on Batman Forever. He had some meeting with Schumacher and the Batchlers, like giving them a blessing to go on and do their thing (as they tell it). But after his first meeting with Warner execs post-Returns, about the potential for a third film, they basically pushed him out, and he went on to his next project apparently without much objection.

Burton claims the producer credit was a contractual obligation rather than a representation of his creative input. He says he contributed absolutely nothing to Batman Forever. Schumacher claiming otherwise was just to keep the Burton fans on-board. In Burton on Burton Burton also says that watching it was one of his weirdest experiences.

'I saw Batman Forever, but I didn't see [Batman and Robin]. I couldn't. I'd never been in an experience like that before, so it was kind of surreal. It's like you're involved with something and then you're not, but it's still kind of like yours. You feel like you've died and you're having an out of body experience. That's the best way I can describe it. I didn't feel like "I hate this" or "I love this", I just had a shock

'I always hated those titles like Batman Forever. I thought, "Batman Forever, that sounds like a tattoo that would somebody would get when they're on drugs or something," or something some kid would write in the yearbook to somebody else. I have high problems with some of those titles.'

 

[Majik1387]

When has Jason Schwartzman NOT played a geek? He's pretty much the epitome of geek.

What does this have to do with anything?

 

[Nimibro]

I Heard that Burton didn't just had Williams as Riddler onboard, but also Brad Dourif as Scarecrow. couldn't get more awesome than that... i think he wanted first Riddler and Two-face, but because he didn't get to set two-face up in BR like he first wanted, he replaced him with scarecrow, which would be the ideal burton bat-villain. and then schumaker came ... maybe i'll make a manip of a tim burton-ish riddler and scarecrow...

 

[Majik1387]

I'm pretty sure Max Shreck was originally set up to be Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face, but some stuff happened behind the scenes and we ended up with Shreck.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

Burton claims the producer credit was a contractual obligation rather than a representation of his creative input. He says he contributed absolutely nothing to Batman Forever. Schumacher claiming otherwise was just to keep the Burton fans on-board. In Burton on Burton Burton also says that watching it was one of his weirdest experiences.

'I saw Batman Forever, but I didn't see [Batman and Robin]. I couldn't. I'd never been in an experience like that before, so it was kind of surreal. It's like you're involved with something and then you're not, but it's still kind of like yours. You feel like you've died and you're having an out of body experience. That's the best way I can describe it. I didn't feel like "I hate this" or "I love this", I just had a shock

'I always hated those titles like Batman Forever. I thought, "Batman Forever, that sounds like a tattoo that would somebody would get when they're on drugs or something," or something some kid would write in the yearbook to somebody else. I have high problems with some of those titles.'

I do own that book, and it's great, but I had forgotten that he'd mentioned Batman Forever at all, so thanks for posting that.

 

[Spoonman]

I wouldn't blame TLJ for that he's a great actor and Schumacher who wanted him to play like that.

I've always been doubtful about that, believe it or not I think it had more to do with TLJ wanting to upstage Jim Carrey than anything else. Schumacher's original plan was Two Face to be the violent villian and Riddler to be the excentric type villian, of course that dinamic got lost because TLJ played a Joker knock off. So Val Kilmer was not the only source of trouble for Schumacher while filming, TLJ was quite problematic too it seems.

 

[Catman]

Burton would have finished at #3. His intention was to do a trilogy. And, yes, he did work on Batman Forever. On the DVD they confirm that he had story meetings with the original writers. And, basically, Forever completes Burton's trilogy which is why he said on his book that it felt like an out of body experience. This is how the trilogy breaks down: In Batman, the character gets his revenge by killing The Joker. In Returns he's losing his motivation, having gotten revenge, and plans to settle down with Selina Kyle. In Forever he retires and tries to seek a cure to his Batman problem, but eventually comes to realization that he's Batman not because he needs to be but because he chooses to be.

 

[dude stannis]

Yeah, if Keevie didn't wipe his ass all over the Forever script it could've been the best one of them all.

I loved Burton's idea of making Dent's acid burns white. Essentially taking a Martin Luther King type crusader and making him half white. There would've been some great themes of duality there.

 

[Macphisto]

Burton only had one meeting with WB execs and screenwriters about a potential third Batman film and that's it. The so-called Burton scripts, storyboards, etc are pure fan fiction.

According to an interview with Janet Scott Batchler, Tim Burton's only involvement with Batman Forever was approving Joel Schumacher as director and Lee and Janet Scott Batchler as the writers. Burton did not contribute story ideas and by the time the Batchlers signed on, Schumacher already had hired Tommy Lee Jones to play Two-Face. Since Warner Brothers wanted two villains in the movie, the Batchlers then decided to bring on The Riddler, due to the character's popularity. They wrote the role with Robin Williams in mind, but no deal was made with him. Also, it was Schumacher who wanted to bring in the character of Robin and the Batchlers turned to their assistant, who grew up in the circus, for research. The character of Dr. Chase Meridian was also created as a way to challenge both sides of Batman's personality, with Nicole Kidman's name mentioned for the role in the early stages.

http://brother-eye.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=190

 

[dude stannis]

Wow, studios never learn from their mistakes, do they?