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what if a dark, more realistic and mature mario (yes mario) was made with care and with good resources (unlike the bomberman game and the mario movie), and was a game or a graphic novel? if only, if only...

well, i do make a project like this at dA! if you want to post ideas/concept art for this and anything game-related, or just talk dark, mature versions of classic VGs, do it right...here!

if you want me to post concept art and ideas (i have some), then why not?

let the thread BEGIN!:awesome:
 
You mean like a Conker type deal? Or like actually human looking characters?
 
The last thing the world needs is a "dark" Mario. In fact I would say that Mario games are far more mature than many games that sport that rating.

Post your art though. I would love to see it.
 
here is it:

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also, even with all the new ames, mario's getting old, and it's probably the next step. so what i had in mind, is a mix of the gleeful charm of super mario and deep, dark plot in films/games like district 9 or half-life 2, something that would give a very unearthed, alien and weird feel...
 
I was one of the few that loved the idea of Zelda going into the future and all the fake concept art we saw. Of course it didn't happen (and I'm pretty sure it was actually for a Star Wars game) but regardless it looked interesting. Not sure about Mario though. Then again, Mickey Mouse is about to go dark so I guess it's possible
 
you mean factor 5's kid icarus? or the futuristic zelda? but yeah, something like that can truly happen...
 
If they took Mario and made him all grimdark, I'd personally take a cross-country road trip and slap each and every person who has supported doing that to anything in an attempt to validate their like of "kid's stuff".
 
not exactly grim/dark, but more realistic and mature in terms of plot, characters and designs...
 
not exactly grim/dark, but more realistic and mature in terms of plot, characters and designs...

A deformed child/mushroom thing is definitely more in the grim/dark territory than it is realistic.

Also, I think this would be a bad idea.
 
well, the concept was that the mushroom kingdom is the world 500 years after a nuclear crisis, so the kid has:

A. a deformed skull, like the people from chernobyl who had their craniums grow something like 3 times, kinda like the leader.

B. fungi growing over their skin, like an infection.

C. halo braces to hold their heads up and suport the neck.

the toad design is modelled after only things in real llife, so the concept itself would be as realistic as it can get but keep it weird and unearthed.
 
Post-apocalytic world = grimdark and entirely unnecessary to Mario. Why not leave well enough alone? The Mario series is one of the (if not THE) most successful and most consistently good game series ever. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
Grim/Dark/Post-Apocalyptic is not Mario. Mario's supposed to be bright, colorful and cheery. We don't need a Todd McFarlane/Tim Burton-ified Mario.
 
Even though I would never want to see a Dark Mario, I will admit that those are some....interesting designs.
 
If they took Mario and made him all grimdark, I'd personally take a cross-country road trip and slap each and every person who has supported doing that to anything in an attempt to validate their like of "kid's stuff".


QFT!

Mario is not meant to be dark/twisted or anything else like that. It's not him, and if Nintendo ever messed with my favorite gaming character like that...I'm not sure what I'd do.

Mario is great the way he is, and doesn't need to be messed with.
 
Another thing is the gameplay still works perfectly on every Mario game I've played. The difficultly is also there, just because a game has cartoony and colorful graphics doens't mean it's bad. Gameplay is what matters, not a twisted, grim/dark design. I'll always buy the new Nintendo systems because I always know there's going to be great first party titles, many times the atomsphere will be bright and colorful, but the game will play great, be fun and have enough difficultly to make it a challenge towards the end.
 
Besides, Mario is their bright and energetic character.

Zelda is their medium with some happy and some dark.

Metroid is the frachise of their big three that stays dark and somber.

Each of their big three has their place and should stay that way.
 
Besides, Mario is their bright and energetic character.

Zelda is their medium with some happy and some dark.

Metroid is the frachise of their big three that stays dark and somber.

Each of their big three has their place and should stay that way.

Agreed. There are some things that just ought not be "dark." Mario is the poster boy for those things.
 
well, here is soem details, and also, the project is not neccessarily "grimdark", but more mature in themes (MATURE as in detailed, complex storytelling, not as in blood and gore), kinda like satAM, only with realistic, earthed designs:

history of the musjroom kingdom adnd arrival of the brothers:

in an alternate dimension, a nuclear crisis ended or mutated life in the year 1500. since then, it was split into two parts: the mushroom kingdom, a place where a magnetic field around the planet causes coins, metal boxes and such to float, all fungal lifeform has evolved (some mushrooms have grown to huge sizes, some has mutated to give the eater enomerous ablities/allergies) and hum,an kind has evolved to "toads". on the other side, all hell breaks loose, as the turtles have evolved into the "koopas sapiens", a human-like, ferocious creature. their king, bowser, is a more developed kind of koopa, mixed with alligator and some human genes, with a scale-skin disorder, an alligator jaw, turtle shell and red, demonic hair. he also has bones spliicing through his skin (a la spikes, claws and such) and needs metal rods and some metal pieces spliceed into his body/skin to suport his massive size.

in 1982, bowser invades and succesfully conquers the mushroom kingdom. he tries several times to send his minions to our earth with no avail, and in 1983, he finally sucseeds. two years later, a big group of his monsters arrive in the NY sewer system and freak out some homeless people in the street... and bowse catches the runaway princess of the MK, peach.

the city hall is concerned about the sitouaion, and hires mario bros. plumbing, some small, not too good business which is also the only one who agreed to do this. as they get closer and closer to the problem, they are attacked by koopas and then washed down a green pipe after the sewers are suddenly fludded.

they, of course arrive in the mushroom kingdom, in a small toads village which is attacked by koopa armies. the mario bros. and defeat them with ease, suprised by their ability to jump very high and their new strengh. discover about some of the gravity issues and that the mushroom kingdom's plants can give them abilities (like having fire abilities from harvesting a special kind of smoke made from a rare flower). they decide to fight back bowser after seeing how he ravaged the kingdom, and continue on to their journey (with a traumatized toad as a companion). thus, they becime the super mario bros.! later on, they fight some of his crew like lakitus and hammer bros., and finally bowser of course.

warp pipes:

here is the regular warp-pipe system, which can also be used for transportation. there are the warpholes, which may look like pipes, but are portals who simply "pop up" in random places, in here, the sewer system. they are rafts between time, space and DIMENSION (loud ahem ahem), and have a weirder hue and carvings (maybe carvings of 8-bit sprites?). they are experimented by bowser and kamek, and are pretty much untracable. they also cause random floods and such.

items:

fire flower:

A. a flammable flower which can release easily flammable gas out of the petal. can be harvested by smoking/eating it. it inflames a small layer of skin, from where the gas gets out and with a lighter or any kind of fire at hand, your ahnd becomes a powerful flamethrower, thoguh a painful way to use the flower. i think it would be used only at the bowser fight, though...

A. a device made by proffesor edwin gadd as a mini-flamethrower, and used this certain flower for fuel. uses the gas and has a mini-lighter built on the side of it. much more limited than the more natural use of the flower and less effective, but not painful and easier.

super mushroom: mutated mushrooms that cause allergy-like syndromes like swelling and then gets to the blood-stream,mutates the DNA and creates a physical transformation that can be reversed by goomba poison/poison mushroom spores.

starman: JEFF BRIDGES! (lol). it resembles slightly a star not on porpuse, but it doesn't efficiently needs to be star-shaped. the thing is, it can be a rock which somehow absorbed a quantity of radioation and became a powerful energy source/emblem which neutralize the nerve ends, give a strike of adrenalin, enhances the user and ETC.

enemies:

-goombas: evolved mushrooms, they are carnivore parasites who feed on dead bodies. they are pretty much of an annoying pest, and they are common in most of the kingdom. the fungi-like appearance is their use of camouflage, and they are known for having black, eyebrow-like scales above their eyes.

-koopas: like the movie, humanoid creatured developed from turtles (not dinos), only they are much more animalistic, less intellegent and of course, resemble a turtle much, MUCH more.

-pirahna plants: evolved carnivore plants, as simple as it gets. acts and looks like a regular carnivore plant, only much bigger and much more... hungry :evil:...

-para-troopers: genetically engineered koopas who had wings mounted to their back. very elite and more intellegent koopas.

-cheeps: evolved pirahna fish. they mostly fight eachother, but are ferocious and can kill in seconds. they are also very easy to kill, but allmost endlessly spawn.

-bloopers: extremley dangerous evolved squids. shoot acid, have extended claws at the end of each tentacle, and are the most dangerous species in the waters.

-big bertha: a very protective kind of evolved grouper mixed with pirahna genes, they will stop at nothing to protect their babies. if you enter their territory-your'e as good as dead.

-shyguys: a secret clan of deformed humans gone mad, they perform mysterious rituals and almost never get off nor their gas masks or robes. very dangerous, as they are armed with rifles, guns, submachineguns, an array of knifes and snifit masks, gas masks with a rifle attached to it.

this is pretty much most of what we came up with. i'm working on the actual story and finding the balance between light and dark...
 
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thanks alot man. i'm developing it as a project on dA.
 
well, here is soem details, and also, the project is not neccessarily "grimdark", but more mature in themes (MATURE as in detailed, complex storytelling, not as in blood and gore), kinda like satAM, only with realistic, earthed designs:

history of the musjroom kingdom adnd arrival of the brothers:

in an alternate dimension, a nuclear crisis ended or mutated life in the year 1500. since then, it was split into two parts: the mushroom kingdom, a place where a magnetic field around the planet causes coins, metal boxes and such to float, all fungal lifeform has evolved (some mushrooms have grown to huge sizes, some has mutated to give the eater enomerous ablities/allergies) and hum,an kind has evolved to "toads". on the other side, all hell breaks loose, as the turtles have evolved into the "koopas sapiens", a human-like, ferocious creature. their king, bowser, is a more developed kind of koopa, mixed with alligator and some human genes, with a scale-skin disorder, an alligator jaw, turtle shell and red, demonic hair. he also has bones spliicing through his skin (a la spikes, claws and such) and needs metal rods and some metal pieces spliceed into his body/skin to suport his massive size.

in 1982, bowser invades and succesfully conquers the mushroom kingdom. he tries several times to send his minions to our earth with no avail, and in 1983, he finally sucseeds. two years later, a big group of his monsters arrive in the NY sewer system and freak out some homeless people in the street... and bowse catches the runaway princess of the MK, peach.

the city hall is concerned about the sitouaion, and hires mario bros. plumbing, some small, not too good business which is also the only one who agreed to do this. as they get closer and closer to the problem, they are attacked by koopas and then washed down a green pipe after the sewers are suddenly fludded.

they, of course arrive in the mushroom kingdom, in a small toads village which is attacked by koopa armies. the mario bros. and defeat them with ease, suprised by their ability to jump very high and their new strengh. discover about some of the gravity issues and that the mushroom kingdom's plants can give them abilities (like having fire abilities from harvesting a special kind of smoke made from a rare flower). they decide to fight back bowser after seeing how he ravaged the kingdom, and continue on to their journey (with a traumatized toad as a companion). thus, they becime the super mario bros.! later on, they fight some of his crew like lakitus and hammer bros., and finally bowser of course.

warp pipes:

here is the regular warp-pipe system, which can also be used for transportation. there are the warpholes, which may look like pipes, but are portals who simply "pop up" in random places, in here, the sewer system. they are rafts between time, space and DIMENSION (loud ahem ahem), and have a weirder hue and carvings (maybe carvings of 8-bit sprites?). they are experimented by bowser and kamek, and are pretty much untracable. they also cause random floods and such.

items:

fire flower:

A. a flammable flower which can release easily flammable gas out of the petal. can be harvested by smoking/eating it. it inflames a small layer of skin, from where the gas gets out and with a lighter or any kind of fire at hand, your ahnd becomes a powerful flamethrower, thoguh a painful way to use the flower. i think it would be used only at the bowser fight, though...

A. a device made by proffesor edwin gadd as a mini-flamethrower, and used this certain flower for fuel. uses the gas and has a mini-lighter built on the side of it. much more limited than the more natural use of the flower and less effective, but not painful and easier.

super mushroom: mutated mushrooms that cause allergy-like syndromes like swelling and then gets to the blood-stream,mutates the DNA and creates a physical transformation that can be reversed by goomba poison/poison mushroom spores.

starman: JEFF BRIDGES! (lol). it resembles slightly a star not on porpuse, but it doesn't efficiently needs to be star-shaped. the thing is, it can be a rock which somehow absorbed a quantity of radioation and became a powerful energy source/emblem which neutralize the nerve ends, give a strike of adrenalin, enhances the user and ETC.

enemies:

-goombas: evolved mushrooms, they are carnivore parasites who feed on dead bodies. they are pretty much of an annoying pest, and they are common in most of the kingdom. the fungi-like appearance is their use of camouflage, and they are known for having black, eyebrow-like scales above their eyes.

-koopas: like the movie, humanoid creatured developed from turtles (not dinos), only they are much more animalistic, less intellegent and of course, resemble a turtle much, MUCH more.

-pirahna plants: evolved carnivore plants, as simple as it gets. acts and looks like a regular carnivore plant, only much bigger and much more... hungry :evil:...

-para-troopers: genetically engineered koopas who had wings mounted to their back. very elite and more intellegent koopas.

-cheeps: evolved pirahna fish. they mostly fight eachother, but are ferocious and can kill in seconds. they are also very easy to kill, but allmost endlessly spawn.

-bloopers: extremley dangerous evolved squids. shoot acid, have extended claws at the end of each tentacle, and are the most dangerous species in the waters.

-big bertha: a very protective kind of evolved grouper mixed with pirahna genes, they will stop at nothing to protect their babies. if you enter their territory-your'e as good as dead.

-shyguys: a secret clan of deformed humans gone mad, they perform mysterious rituals and almost never get off nor their gas masks or robes. very dangerous, as they are armed with rifles, guns, submachineguns, an array of knifes and snifit masks, gas masks with a rifle attached to it.

this is pretty much most of what we came up with. i'm working on the actual story and finding the balance between light and dark...


Quite an interesting take on Mario there...
 

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