What is the scariest movie of all time...

[Figs]

Halloween. The only movie that sends chills down my spine every single time that I watch it. Yeah, Freddy, Jason, and Chucky are fun. And yeah, Pinhead and Leatherface are really fu**ing disturbing. However, I find none of them scary. Michael Myers is the scariest killer to hit a movie screen. He has no feelings. He doesn't get pissed, sad, happy, he doesn't have any remorse. It's just a completely blank slate and I find myself projecting all of my own personal fears onto that blank slate. And besides, how many movies have you seen that have scared you with basically no blood or gore. Hallowen scared you with mood, setting, and suspense alone. I've never, ever seen another movie do that. John Carpenter.... you are one sinister dude, and an absolute genius!

I agree. In an earlier post I was saying it's a little hard to pick a scariest movie of all time, epecially since im older and the fear from some films isn't as fresh in my memory anymore. Now that you brought up John Carpenter, I would have to pick The Thing, from a younger kids standpoint. When I watched that as a little kid that freaked me the hell out! Not knowing who was human and who was alien. The claustrophobia of that small base camp and almost all of it being set at night.

 

[Tempest19]

RIIIIGHT! Actually it wasn't dramaticized more than Amityville. I don't think, I know Amityville was totally changed into a ghost story just for the movie. What really happened was a man murdered his family, simple crazy **** killed them all. It might have brought rumours of a haunted house but that was after what initially happened.

Depends on if you believe in what the Dafeo's said happened. If you don't believe their word, then you will just think that. It all depends on whether you believe their story of what happened to them or not.

And simple crazy ****? WTF??? Okay, maybe you don't believe in this stuff... but,imo, something definitely did happen that night. All laying down in a sleeping calm position as he shoots every member of his family - not a stir??? With the sound of a gun like the one he used, they DEFINITELY would have heard and the neighbors might have as well. Unless it was some mass family suicide scenario in which they told him and allowed him to do it, there are some obvious questions to be asked about that case. It was anything but simple.

There are some who claim the Dafeos made it up, but they stick to it that this actually happened to them and paranormal experts did find strange readings in the house itself. One particularly interesting thing is they're refusal to talk about some things that happened to them- specifically the final night.

Some events were changed in the film, that is correct, but the core essence of it remains the same. The remake however I am on the fence about because they didn't keep in close contact with the Dafeos and went their own way with their accounts.

 

[Karea07]

Catwoman, that **** was terrifying!

 

[Figs]

Sadistic does not mean violent, as you stated.

Violence means fighting.

Sadistic means taking pleasure in the pain of others. Taking pleasure in evil.

Just read your post and according to you some people actually think of possessed people as zombies??? That's frightening in of itself.

Demonic possession- weird occurances that could possibly be related to a poltergeist, learning new languages without prior knowledge, sometimes a split personality disorder, sadism and obcenities.

Demonic possession does not equal talking like someone who is obsessed with sex. As I said before it all depends on DEGREES. Not to the degree it is said, but to the degree of how many times it is said in comparison to the others. This was the film's flaw.

Thus, as I said before- sex talk, probably. Sex obsession? Highly highly doubt it unless I hear from somewhere of an actual written record and not from a dramaticized story of a record.

When did I say exactly and word for word that sadism doesn't mean violence. You mistook what I was saying. I was referring about demons, how some people think they would only be involved with violence and nothing sexual at all. It was simply stated. I never said demonic possession equals someone who is obsessed with sex. Show me where I said those exact words. I never once mentioned zombies in any statement, you just brought up zombies out of no where. The only thing I can think of that made you think of zombies was my generalization of, I'll say it again, how some people think that demons would only be associated with sadism, violence, pain etc etc. But no, I know zombies and demons are two entirely different things.

 

[Figs]

Depends on if you believe in what the Dafeo's said happened. If you don't believe their word, then you will just think that. It all depends on whether you believe their story of what happened to them or not.

And simple crazy ****? WTF??? Okay, maybe you don't believe in this stuff... but,imo, something definitely did happen that night. All laying down in a sleeping calm position as he shoots every member of his family - not a stir??? With the sound of a gun like the one he used, they DEFINITELY would have heard and the neighbors might have as well. Unless it was some mass family suicide scenario in which they told him and allowed him to do it, there are some obvious questions to be asked about that case. It was anything but simple.

There are some who claim the Dafeos made it up, but they stick to it that this actually happened to them and paranormal experts did find strange readings in the house itself. One particularly interesting thing is they're refusal to talk about some things that happened to them- specifically the final night.

Some events were changed in the film, that is correct, but the core essence of it remains the same. The remake however I am on the fence about because they didn't keep in close contact with the Dafeos and went their own way with their accounts.

That comes down to everyone has their own right to opinion. Just from what the Dafeos say, doesn't make it fact. All that is, is someone elses' opinion. You have to respect other peoples opinions and that you could be wrong. See, im not saying im right or your wrong. I'm simply saying that from the facts and tellings of what went down, I personally don't believe there were any ghosts involved. Doesn't seem too far fetched for a guy to lose it and murder his family. Sure as hell wouldn't be the first time. I know some things might not add up I just don't believe in a god.....hence ghosts, which are spirits don't exist in my opinion.

 

[Tempest19]

You were obviously confused with the phrasing, or I thought you were trying to group me in with the 'some' people... which I obviously don't belong to. I don't know whether or not you were trying to actually group me into that group.

And no, I never said that you said they were zombies... I was asking if you actually ever came across anyone that ridiculously gave demonic entities the same properties of zombies. Not if you did. Due to the characteristics you noted.

And if you read my posts carefully, I have been and always have been saying that there would be sex talk from a demonic entity- but it would depend on the degrees it presented. There is a line between what is natural and what is absurd, to me Excorcist did more than just cross that line. There has to be a balance. Due to the lack of balance, the demonic entity came off more as sex obsessed than just talking about sex. Thus, as I said and god damn if I have to repeat this again: it does not depend on the degree to how vulgar it is, it depends on the degree to how much it is said.

 

[Figs]

You were obviously confused with the phrasing, or I thought you were trying to group me in with the 'some' people... which I obviously don't belong to. I don't know whether or not you were trying to actually group me into that group.

And no, I never said that you said they were zombies... I was asking if you actually ever came across anyone that ridiculously gave demonic entities the same properties of zombies. Not if you did. Due to the characteristics you noted.

And if you read my posts carefully, I have been and always have been saying that there would be sex talk from a demonic entity- but it would depend on the degrees it presented. There is a line between what is natural and what is absurd, to me Excorcist did more than just cross that line. There has to be a balance. Due to the lack of balance, the demonic entity came off more as sex obsessed than just talking about sex. Thus, as I said and god damn if I have to repeat this again: it does not depend on the degree to how vulgar it is, it depends on the degree to how much it is said.

I get your point, it was too much. It was overdone basically. I just never saw it that way when watching the film, at least when I was younger.

 

[Tempest19]

And as I said- someone can have their opinion about what the Dafeos have said... when have I said otherwise? Re-read the introduction to that. So, I don't know what the whole "I can have my own opinion!" rant was about... since I said some may believe it, others wont.

"Depends on if you believe in what the Dafeo's said happened. If you don't believe their word, then you will just think that. It all depends on whether you believe their story of what happened to them or not."

But, to say that that murder was "simple"? That's the true wtf. It was anything but simple, and that's the fact of the matter. I never said anyone had to believe in ghosts or anything occuring during that night. But, something did happen. The sound of the gun is documented to have the amptitude that could have woken up everyone in the house. The fact that they were all in the same position and showed no sign of a struggle speaks volumes. If anyone hears a gun, they are going to move- they aren't going to be frozen in space waiting for the gun shot. It's not the part of a man losing his mind and murdering his family that is infamous, it's that his family didn't do anything or have any reaction to it- they all just laid face down on their beds as they were shot one by one.

So, if it was simple- please, enlighten me how anything like that could be simple?

Once again you don't have to believe in the "ghost story" tied to that night, but how can you shrug it off and say it's simple?

 

[Mr Jide]

Creep was a film that *****ed me up a bit. Especially the scene where the woman is in the dark and then switches the torch light on, only to find this ugly-ass creep right in her face.....I spilt my large cup of fanta all over the floor at the cinema.

 

[Tempest19]

 

[Figs]

And as I said- someone can have their opinion about what the Dafeos have said... when have I said otherwise? Re-read the introduction to that. So, I don't know what the whole "I can have my own opinion!" rant was about... since I said some may believe it, others wont.

"Depends on if you believe in what the Dafeo's said happened. If you don't believe their word, then you will just think that. It all depends on whether you believe their story of what happened to them or not."

But, to say that that murder was "simple"? That's the true wtf. It was anything but simple, and that's the fact of the matter. I never said anyone had to believe in ghosts or anything occuring during that night. But, something did happen. The sound of the gun is documented to have the amptitude that could have woken up everyone in the house. The fact that they were all in the same position and showed no sign of a struggle speaks volumes. If anyone hears a gun, they are going to move- they aren't going to be frozen in space waiting for the gun shot. It's not the part of a man losing his mind and murdering his family that is infamous, it's that his family didn't do anything or have any reaction to it- they all just laid face down on their beds as they were shot one by one.

So, if it was simple- please, enlighten me how anything like that could be simple?

Once again you don't have to believe in the "ghost story" tied to that night, but how can you shrug it off and say it's simple?

What I put in bold. Reading that, the way its worded, the context is basically saying that the person who will "just think that" is in fact wrong. By simple I meant, however it was done, it wasn't with the notion that magical ghosts killed them or possessed them. For all we know it very well could have been a group suicide. I never saw the remake, and haven't watched the original in years. Which would you say was more accurate or at the least more interesting?

 

[Tempest19]

I actually mentioned some possible fcked up family **** in my post about it as something in reality as a possible cause for the weird case of the murders/deaths/suicides.

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The original follows more closely to the book. Whereas, I believe aspects of the remake or more true to what actually happened. All but the whole ghost aspect and ancient murderer guy- looked into that and it was in a seperate area from the Amityville House, thus it couldn't have happened. It wasn't any newly found information, just something to dramaticize the story.

HOWEVER- George Lutz has never really talked about or ever wanted to talk about what happened on their final night. Thus, for the most part I believe-if I recall correctly- the final night in the book, as well as films, is fabricated. But, psychologically- I believe the remake hits it on it's head.

Something happened that final night, George Lutz was slowly falling into madness- but, then that seems to disappear the final night in the original and in the book. However, the final step of becoming insane is in the remake... it's something someone would want to keep secret and never talk about, thus it's the ending I've always believed happened and was portrayed on screen in the remake.

Unless it's something else more horrifying than that that the Lutz's want to keep secret for a reason.

So, for the most part- the original is the MOST accurate. Though, the ending of the remake could be the closest to actual ending of what actually did happen. It seems to fit more with the progression. But, we will never know what happened on the final night. Which is another part of the reason why I believe them, in some regards they are open and direct about what happened- in others, they aren't.
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Being in Amityville:

On a side note, this whole case is very much a part of the community. I drove there a couple of months ago actually. There were three other people I met who were also looking for the house. I asked a couple of people about it and just as you'd imagine, they had stories about it or things about it they heard from someone they knew. There were also two kids, about five years old, who stopped by me and another 'looker' and asked us "are you looking for the house?" It was very cool. Just like you'd imagine from horror movies.

I can say that the river they escape on in the remake is actually far from the house itself, it isn't within as relative distance as it was displayed.

The area however, I believe the original filmed their because it looked very familiar- the whole community. Especially the main town part of the community.

The house itself, though, has been 'hidden' by the new owners- thus, it's difficult to exactly pinpoint it. Could be one of two. And cops patrol the area, luckily they weren't there when I was.

 

[Figs]

I actually mentioned some possible fcked up family **** in my post about it as something in reality as a possible cause for the weird case of the murders/deaths/suicides.

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The original follows more closely to the book. Whereas, I believe aspects of the remake or more true to what actually happened. All but the whole ghost aspect and ancient murderer guy- looked into that and it was in a seperate area from the Amityville House, thus it couldn't have happened. It wasn't any newly found information, just something to dramaticize the story.

HOWEVER- George Lutz has never really talked about or ever wanted to talk about what happened on their final night. Thus, for the most part I believe-if I recall correctly- the final night in the book, as well as films, is fabricated. But, psychologically- I believe the remake hits it on it's head.

Something happened that final night, George Lutz was slowly falling into madness- but, then that seems to disappear the final night in the original and in the book. However, the final step of becoming insane is in the remake... it's something someone would want to keep secret and never talk about, thus it's the ending I've always believed happened and was portrayed on screen in the remake.

Unless it's something else more horrifying than that that the Lutz's want to keep secret for a reason.

So, for the most part- the original is the MOST accurate. Though, the ending of the remake could be the closest to actual ending of what actually did happen. It seems to fit more with the progression. But, we will never know what happened on the final night. Which is another part of the reason why I believe them, in some regards they are open and direct about what happened- in others, they aren't.
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Being in Amityville:

On a side note, this whole case is very much a part of the community. I drove there a couple of months ago actually. There were three other people I met who were also looking for the house. I asked a couple of people about it and just as you'd imagine, they had stories about it or things about it they heard from someone they knew. There were also two kids, about five years old, who stopped by me and another 'looker' and asked us "are you looking for the house?" It was very cool. Just like you'd imagine from horror movies.

I can say that the river they escape on in the remake is actually far from the house itself, it isn't within as relative distance as it was displayed.

The area however, I believe the original filmed their because it looked very familiar- the whole community. Especially the main town part of the community.

The house itself, though, has been 'hidden' by the new owners- thus, it's difficult to exactly pinpoint it. Could be one of two. And cops patrol the area, luckily they weren't there when I was.

That sounds pretty badass being able to check out the actual house. I want to check out the remake and rewatch the original now. Especially with you saying how the ending of the remake is more accurate. I can barely remember what happened in the original. Looks like I have another horror movie night coming up.

 

[Tempest19]

Well, to be clear- I believe it is more accurate.

The truth of what happened on the final night, nobody knows because the Lutz's- if I remember correctly- never told anyone and never put it in the book as well. Thus, the final night is really just speculatory on all versions of the story.

But, personally I find that when someone doesn't want someone to know something its usually because of something dark. Especially when they detail every day, but that particular day. Thus, the only conclusion I come to is George Lutz losing his mind and then getting his senses back after leaving the house. That sounds like something someone would not want others to know.

Thus, no one knows what happened the final night- but, personally the ending of the remake sounds more accurate. Even though we will never know the actual truth of what happened.

 

[Sloth7d]

The Grudge part 1. Only movie that ever scared me. But now its not even a little suspensful.

 

[Addendum]

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp

 

[Tempest19]

Once again there are those that disbelieve their story and there are those that are. Personally, I believe them because they seem genuine about what happened to them. There have also been paranormal experts that have gone into the house and said they felt a dark presence at the time.

Thus, its- more or less- the same as, "do you believe in aliens?"

Demonic possesions are real and do exist, it is difficulty pinpointing true cases from false cases and the church acknowledges these activities.

Thus, there is no answer as to whether or not it did occur. Some researchers say it did, whereas others believe it to be a hoax. There are people on both sides of the equation.

Here's an archive of news articles past, current, etc:

http://www.amityvillehorror.com/

There also several documentaries out there, which I have seen that has researchers and paranormal experts from both sides presenting either side of the argument. Thus, sufice to say there is no single answer about it. It's kind of like Roswell- was it real or was it just a weather baloon? You've got both sides being presented and have to make up your own mind from there.

 

[Victarion]

@Tempest19: Do you think certain music could "let" a demon in? Just curious.

 

[Tempest19]

Certain music? No, I don't believe certain music could let a demon in.

But, heck- if you're an all out satanist, maybe... who knows? If you're a member of the black church (forgot if that's the actual name of it) and all that, then yeah- as I said- maybe... all depends. Play one track, nope... this isn't 'The Ring' or 'Fear Dot Com' (even though those deal with death itself).

However, ouija boards- DEFINITELY!

I'm pretty sure I remember some documented cases about that. It just depends on where you are though, I think... because ouija boards won't bring you a ghost or a spirit or we would have ALOT of accounts of it. But, it can make you more suceptible to an encounter or to a possible poltergeist of some kind, I believe.

 

[POWdER-man]

Event Horizon freaked me out....

 

[Victarion]

I had read that when I was browing Ghost Hunting sites. Forgot where, but it stuck out to me. I agree with those Ouijas, man. Don't mess around with those.

 

[Damiean Dark]

Hellraiser 1/2 isstill tough for me to watch it its a gory film and ppinhead is one of the scaryist villains ever.

 

[co2]

Exorcist is done in an extremely creepy fashion, but it seems so fantasy.
I think most of what was interpreted as possession through the ages was a misunderstood diagnosis for mental illness.

 

[Mattchew]

Event Horizon freaked me out....

i loved it too... Sam Neil is a badass, speaking of 'In the Mouth Of Madness'

 

[shapeshifter]

menace to society