What would be the Event that would spark the downfall of Marvel Studios?

[Spitfire]

It already started with Age of Ultron -- I was seriously disappointed with that, and I'm more wary about CA:CW considering the amount of cast members already in it. Marvel Studios needs to cut back on making everything interconnected and hold off on leaving unresolved plot threads dangling for the next film(s) to wrap up.

More self-contained stories should be emphasized on.

One thing AoU showed is that Marvel must put the quality of the movie first and not assume that hype will get results. No matter how excited fans are about seeing the team together a good story, excellent CGI, great editing etc. are still essential.

Some of the ideas in AoU were weird as well. I hope Marvel introduces changes to their decision making processes to avoid similar mistakes in the future, e.g. killing Quicksilver (felt a bit pointless?), Brutasha and Ultron's sense of humour and 'paper people' robot army.

 

[CaptainWagner]

after grand plan phase 3 end people will get less interesting heroes flim like me

Okay, I'm trying to translate this...

Do you mean that after Phase 3, that the new heroes like Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, and Spider-man aren't interesting enough to keep money coming in?


Anyway, I think we all know that the one thing destined to stop the MCU is Avi Arad finally losing it, donning a Venom suit, and rampaging on Marvel Studios headquarters all Rambo style.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I think he means after Infinity War what will possibly bigger than that for the next part of the universe?

It already started with Age of Ultron -- I was seriously disappointed with that, and I'm more wary about CA:CW considering the amount of cast members already in it. Marvel Studios needs to cut back on making everything interconnected and hold off on leaving unresolved plot threads dangling for the next film(s) to wrap up.

More self-contained stories should be emphasized on.

Agreed. Part of the reason GOTG was Huge was because it wasn't connected outside of the stones and Thanos which many didn't know about or just saw as the purple alien from the end of Avengers.

Hopefully Inhumans, Ms Marvel and the rest are like Guardians and not movies existing to setup the next event movie.

It was very standalone and didn't have any baggage. It's not feasible to expect audiences to follow all movies and cross-polinating storylines through Phase 7+.

Only 3 now. Marvel effectively cut off competition from Sony. If Warner's films contribute to fatigue, then a similar deal can be worked out with Fox. We're only looking at 3 now, possibly 2 if Fox begins playing ball.

Still 4 actually. Sony still earn all profits from Spider-Man movies. So in a year with a Spider-Man movie and a Marvel Studios movie Sony is financial competition.

Unless the Fox movies start losing money they'll continue on as usual. Unlike Sony they don't need to "play ball' as they aren't in decline, especially with a corporation that's out to get them.

One thing AoU showed is that Marvel must put the quality of the movie first and not assume that hype will get results. No matter how excited fans are about seeing the team together a good story, excellent CGI, great editing etc. are still essential.

The movie still made a ton of money. So the most important thing seems to be the branding and the hype.

I'm not comparing quality or ratings but Marvel sit in the same position as Transformers. People will go to see the movies because of the brand.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

The loss of Kevin Feige.

 

[jmc]

Marvel should consider moving into other areas of film making outside of superheroes.

 

[zlucamanz]

Okay, I'm trying to translate this...

Do you mean that after Phase 3, that the new heroes like Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, and Spider-man aren't interesting enough to keep money coming in?

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after finish epic trilogy phase what beyond that people will less excite or interesting and may think it's a pointless.and i never said it not make money.

 

[DA_Champion]

Marvel should consider moving into other areas of film making outside of superheroes.

Like what? They have a very specific purpose at Disney.

I guess they could make documentaries about the history of these characters.

 

[The Endless]

They should do more things like the Daredevil show. Maybe a Marvel Knights sub studio that does Daredevil, Punisher, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider etc.

I think Marvels biggest problem is complacency. No matter who you are, if you have constant success and you're always top dog complacency will set in. Maybe Marvel need a fail so they can re-motivate themselves and learn something.

If they are not careful the whole Infinity War thing could be a giant egg on their face. They need to start doing better things with Thanos for example. They've got a fantastic actor in the role, great source material to work with. But they can't just keep giving us lip service and expect Thanos to be a great villain just because they say he should be.

And the Infinity Stones haven't been portrayed well either. There powers seem vague and kinda boring. Whereas in the old comics by Jim Starlin they were really weird and trippy concepts.

 

[Slushy]

Re-casting the original actors when they get too old. They won't be able to re-capture the magic.

 

[smallville fan]

Maybe Marvel need a fail so they can re-motivate themselves and learn something.

Marvel learn's what not to do when they observe the other studios with Marvel characters. Some would say they already did that with Iron Man 3. But I'm not looking to open that can of worms again.

 

[Fosterson]

They should do more things like the Daredevil show. Maybe a Marvel Knights sub studio that does Daredevil, Punisher, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider etc.

I think Marvels biggest problem is complacency. No matter who you are, if you have constant success and you're always top dog complacency will set in. Maybe Marvel need a fail so they can re-motivate themselves and learn something.

If they are not careful the whole Infinity War thing could be a giant egg on their face. They need to start doing better things with Thanos for example. They've got a fantastic actor in the role, great source material to work with. But they can't just keep giving us lip service and expect Thanos to be a great villain just because they say he should be.

And the Infinity Stones haven't been portrayed well either. There powers seem vague and kinda boring. Whereas in the old comics by Jim Starlin they were really weird and trippy concepts.

Dude, if Marvel have a fail (ie a film that actually loses them money), Disney'll have the MCU axed in a heartbeat.

 

[Decepticonus]

Their un-doing? Hmmm, tapping Schumacher to direct something.

 

[Flint Marko]

Dude, if Marvel have a fail (ie a film that actually loses them money), Disney'll have the MCU axed in a heartbeat.

Even if Marvel had a complete John Carter sized flop, I doubt it would spell the end of the MCU. There's still money to be made in this, and there will be for decades to come.

 

[STARMAN]

Marvel did a great job creating a shared universe. Sometimes I wonder if it's actually more difficult keeping it together than having built it.

 

[Oscorp]

Marvel Studios has already had two bad films in Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World. Didn't cause any trouble for the MCU.

I think the strenght of the MCU is that it has several characters backing it up. Also, the shared universe aspect is not to be underrated.

 

[Decepticonus]

Marvel Studios has already had two bad films in Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World. Didn't cause any trouble for the MCU.

I think the strenght of the MCU is that it has several characters backing it up. Also, the shared universe aspect is not to be underrated.

They weren't back to back. We got Thor, Cap and Avengers between these two sequels. Plus, they still made money. Iron Man 2 grossed $38 million more than the first film, but the sequel had their budget increased by $40 million, so could argue it made less than the original by $2 million.

Whereas Thor did very well, the first film grossed $450 million on a $120 budget. The sequel had it's budget increased to $170 and grossed $645 million. Even with having a higher budget it made more money.

Regardless, both films made good money, and did have some defenders. We can debate if the movies failed critically (I hate Iron Man 2, but Dark World is OK, has its moments) but regardless they were far above Batman & Robin material. Which leads into this...

Both Batman & Robin and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 were the lowest performing titles in their respective series at the box office. In addition to that, they were not critically welcomed either. Hence, reboot on both sides. Even then though, critical acceptance does not count for ****. Look at Michael Bay's Transformers. Yes, I get it they suck (personally I enjoyed 1-3, hated 4) but anyways people would argue they keep getting worse and worse, but at the same time each film actually keeps out grossing its predecessor, even when you take into account its increased budget, it still made more return on its money. TF4 made well over $1.104 billion. Horrible reviews, but no plans for a reboot but a opened up universe with more films with the same director.

 

[Chris B]

I can't see it being anything else than a string of bad movies.

 

[Knight_SV]

They should do more things like the Daredevil show. Maybe a Marvel Knights sub studio that does Daredevil, Punisher, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider etc.

I think Marvels biggest problem is complacency. No matter who you are, if you have constant success and you're always top dog complacency will set in. Maybe Marvel need a fail so they can re-motivate themselves and learn something.

If they are not careful the whole Infinity War thing could be a giant egg on their face. They need to start doing better things with Thanos for example. They've got a fantastic actor in the role, great source material to work with. But they can't just keep giving us lip service and expect Thanos to be a great villain just because they say he should be.

And the Infinity Stones haven't been portrayed well either. There powers seem vague and kinda boring. Whereas in the old comics by Jim Starlin they were really weird and trippy concepts.

You were right. Marvel were undoubtly the undisputed top dog of cbm now, and how mixed reaction of AOU has many people begin to speculated it as the beginning of decline for marvel studios. What they need is competition and rivalry, while they not consodering fox at all, but DC shared universe will become the biggest competition for MCU in years to come if BVS and SS were successful and made oire money than both civil war or dr. Strange then it will be a time for marvel to reflect and re-motivate themselves

 

[Mad Ones]

I can't see Marvel ever going through a downfall. People like going to see things they are familiar with, maybe out of comfort, even if the quality isn't top notch. And Marvel is very lucky because it has an unlimited amount of material it can deliver. It isn't limited in the same way Harry Potter or LOTR are limited.

I think the DCU has the potential to take some headlines away from Marvel, or be trendy and hot for a while, but Marvel will always be there and people will always see their movies, even if some of the excitement goes away.

 

[jmc]

Even if Marvel had a complete John Carter sized flop, I doubt it would spell the end of the MCU. There's still money to be made in this, and there will be for decades to come.

Decades is debatable.

Like what? They have a very specific purpose at Disney.

I guess they could make documentaries about the history of these characters.

I believe if they are to survive long term they have to branch out, my suggestion would be to look at action films as it best suits their style. I'm still firmly of the belief that the MCU concept has a limited lifespan because ultimately either the market is going to change or they are going to run out of usable characters to try and launch franchises with, and then there's the reality they'll soon have to face of no longer having the big name actors playing the big name character, that's the first hurdle they'll have to overcome.

 

[Flint Marko]

Decades is debatable.



I believe if they are to survive long term they have to branch out, my suggestion would be to look at action films as it best suits their style. I'm still firmly of the belief that the MCU concept has a limited lifespan because ultimately either the market is going to change or they are going to run out of usable characters to try and launch franchises with, and then there's the reality they'll soon have to face of no longer having the big name actors playing the big name character, that's the first hurdle they'll have to overcome.

Jurassic park, Indiana jones, and Star Wars are all franchises that have survived decades and still have a lot of fans. I think the golden age we are living in with marvel cranking out two films a year is limited, but I'm not so sure the franchise as a whole is destined to disappear as you describe.

 

[starscream22]

Jurassic park, Indiana jones, and Star Wars are all franchises that have survived decades and still have a lot of fans. I think the golden age we are living in with marvel cranking out two films a year is limited, but I'm not so sure the franchise as a whole is destined to disappear as you describe.

I think people conveniently forget what was going on around the time the Iron-man first released...

From 2006 - 2009 we were swamped with a range of mediocre to flat out bad CBM's save for Ironman and The Dark Knight. Which is why I can only give the side eye people predicting the end of CBM's. If it didn't happen during the reign of films like Superman Returns, Ghost Rider, X3, SM3, FF2 or Origins. Then why are people so keen on the downfall of CBM's while Marvel's on top making far greater films????

 

[Sithborg]

I'm personally curious what will happen to these super planned out, highly interconnected cinematic universes if there is a major failure. What sort of chain reaction would it have on the other planned movies.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It won't be a single event.

When three movies in a row disappoint at the box office it might be the sign that the end is near.

 

[STARMAN]

I guess if Civil War is a complete dud then it could have a negative effect on the Marvel universe but I expect it to be good.