Age of Ultron Whedon Still Considers Coulson Dead

[Shazam]

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/joss-whedon-still-considers-coulson-dead


I disagree with him......in the spy game, NOTHING is as it seems.....it was perfect for Coulson to come back.
Plus he was a fan favorite....

 

[Shazam]

Whedon seems like a spoiled child lately......ragging on Ant Man......and now this..... so glad that the Russo Brothers are taking over.

 

[Boom]

I'm honestly getting the impression that Whedon and Marvel have had a falling out of sorts.

 

[AgentGojiraRgr]

Then why did he have a part in creating the show Agents of Shield if he's so against Coulson being alive?

Shouldn't have killed Coulson off in the first place for the sake of killing someone off, because Whedonism.
Having his death be what brings The Avengers together was stupid. They barely knew him, despite how much the story tried to force interactions with each other.
Makes the Avengers seem like one dimensional juvenile beasts that need to be tamed.
What brought the Avengers together should've been the threat of an alien invasion and thousands of innocent people being killed.
The character's popularity was increasing at the time reaching to different formats like the comics and animation, but the format where he was introduced in the first place would be deprived of him pernamently.

Like I said in the spoiler thread, thankfully Whedon is gone, so maybe Coulson could finally make his return to the big screen in Civil War or Infinity War. Anything, even for a small cameo.
The Avengers still not knowing he's alive is getting ridiculous.

Not having any aspect of Agents of Shield represented in the big Phase Two finale as cameos or even a mention was a waste.

 

[Adversary]

Whedon is just being honest. He's right that bringing Coulson back to life takes away from the first Avengers film and I don't recall him ever ragging on Ant-man. He was just disappointed that Edgar Wright left just like many fans were.

 

[MbJ]

Shouldn't have killed Coulson off in the first place for the sake of killing someone off, because Whedonism.

It actually wasn't. Kevin Feige was the one who demanded Coulson be killed off, not Whedon. He's clearly not happy with the way things turned out.

Then why did he have a part in creating the show Agents of Shield if he's so against Coulson being alive?

If you actually read the article, you'd see he admits he's mostly hands-off on SHIELD since he was making Age of Ultron while the show was in the works. His brother and his writing team handle most of the work.

 

[Victarion]

I have to agree with Whedon. It takes away a sense of danger and tension.

 

[Raiden]

Many people in the MCU already knew Coulson is alive, including Fury, Hill, and Sif. It makes no sense why rest of the Avengers are in the dark re: Coulson's resurrection. Whedon's explaination doesn't make sense to me.

 

[MbJ]

I see his point. From a franchise perspective it makes sense, but going purely film to film, it'd be jarring. If they'd wanted to bring back Coulson they should either done it in the post-credits scene of Avengers or in another film, because as is, having his resurrection and everything pertinent to it happening in a TV show has kind of screwed things.

All his development as a character has taken place in the TV show, not the movies, so just haphazardly plopping him into the films without a decent explanation would be odd, while it's unlikely they're ever gonna get the Avengers to actually show up on the TV show either.

 

[Marvolo]

Coulson would not have even needed resurrecting if Whedon hadnt been lazy and used Coulson as a plot device to galvanize the team into uniting.

Sorry, Whedon. Coulson is alive in the tv shows and the movies. Get over it.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I'm honestly getting the impression that Whedon and Marvel have had a falling out of sorts.

Im pretty sure of this as well. Hes a classy guy so he wont trash talk but it seems to me that he just doesnt want to work with them anymore. I thinkn the Edgar Wright treatment, bringing Coulson back against his will, asking him to get AoS going then asking him to focus only on the movies, and well Im sure there was a lot of pressure to do things one way and not just the way he would want. He could be tired and burnt out of course but the sense of candidness he is expressing now leaves a question of wether that is the only reason or if he just didnt enjoy working for them.

He is free now and is teaching fanboys to be fans supportive of the genre which is pretty cool. I do think he will end up working with DC in the not so distant future. His Astonishing Xmen was entirely different from his avengers movies so I could see him trying on a different style and going for a different experience.

 

[dsfjr1190]

Didn't characters on his television shows constantly get killed and resurrected? Him speaking out against it is odd now.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm honestly getting the impression that Whedon and Marvel have had a falling out of sorts.

I've been getting this impression lately too. He's made several comments to the effect of how he's glad to wash his hands of the franchise now and just watch the films as a fan. He seems really glad to be done with it.

 

[MbJ]

Didn't characters on his television shows constantly get killed and resurrected? Him speaking out against it is odd now.

Yes, but not in a manner like this, where the death and resurrection happened in two completely different works.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Yes, thank god Whedon is gone because he's expressing his honest opinion about something, an opinion that I don't agree with, and because I don't agree with it I am going to be personally offended by what he said and be glad he left and call him a spoiled child... because he was expressing an honest opinion and he's not allowed to do that apparently (unless he says something I agree with).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm honestly getting the impression that Whedon and Marvel have had a falling out of sorts.

You might be on to something.

I mean I know Whedon is a super honest loud mouth but this is starting to feel like a falling out.

 

[InJustice]

Not sure what's strange about Coulson's death galvanizing the team. It allowed all of the Avengers to unite against the Loki, who kept trolling them and ended up being a step ahead of them. Not to mention, Loki killed him, so of course that was going to touch a nerve or two.

 

[Mad Ones]

I agree with him. I pretend Coulson is dead too.

 

[drod1985]

I enjoy AOS, but in a certain sense he's right. Bringing Coulson back from the dead was a cheap move. His death played a significant part in bringing the Avengers together, and his resurrection sort of invalidates some of the emotional weight of that film. If they had shown he was alive in a post credits scene it may have been better, but still cheap.

While I like the show and the character, cinematically Coulson should remain "dead."

 

[fire117]

Many people in the MCU already knew Coulson is alive, including Fury, Hill, and Sif. It makes no sense why rest of the Avengers are in the dark re: Coulson's resurrection. Whedon's explaination doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. it's high time that the Avengers learn the truth.

 

[wampa1]

I bet they already know and the reveal happened off camera.

 

[fire117]

I bet they already know and the reveal happened off camera.

If that is the case it should be mentioned at some point.

 

[Raiden]

You might be on to something.

I mean I know Whedon is a super honest loud mouth but this is starting to feel like a falling out.

Maybe it is also why Whedon expressed his enthusiasm toward Batman V Superman and the desire to make a DC movie, even though WB had rejected his attempt to bring WW to film in the past. I'm sure Edgar Wright's departure has something to do with his dissatisfaction with Marvel, even though from everything I read Marvel has been pretty good to him. His explanation about Coulson just doesn't make sense to me, because he was the one who wrote Coulson's death in TA and then created AOS with Coulson as the lead, and now it's like he's trying to wash his hands from this, as if he was roped into it in the first place.

 

[warhorse78]

Maybe it is also why Whedon expressed his enthusiasm toward Batman V Superman and the desire to make a DC movie, even though WB had rejected his attempt to bring WW to film in the past. I'm sure Edgar Wright's departure has something to do with his dissatisfaction with Marvel, even though from everything I read Marvel has been pretty good to him. His explanation about Coulson just doesn't make sense to me, because he was the one who wrote Coulson's death in TA and then created AOS with Coulson as the lead, and now it's like he's trying to wash his hands from this, as if he was roped into it in the first place.

After a few years have passed, I also have this feeling that something went down with Ashley Johnson in The Avengers. I feel Joss Whedon was taking it upon himself to hire an actress he's worked with before and try and set her up as either a love interest for Cap or as a superhero herself in future movies. It even adds weight to it, because he even stuck the Stan Lee cameo in one of the Ashley Johnson scenes, maybe thinking those who object wouldn't dare cut out a Stan Lee cameo, and well, we know what really happened. Now, if this is a good thing or a bad thing, I really don't have an opinion on the matter. I love Whedon, but, I trust Feige in most things. He's the one that had taken the huge risks and had all of this planned out from the beginning. I understand that many directors are artists, and really don't like to be dictated to with their art, but they must also understand when something like this is already written in stone, with an already pre-set fan base, they should look at major properties like this as stepping stones that they can use to further their career. Not throw tantrums because the big bad studio execs or ceos are crapping on their style. I also noticed, with a particular French review, they were hating on Feige because they felt he was strangling the artistic integrity of directors/actors such as Whedon, Wright, Branagh, Norton and Howard.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Spoiler

By far the most frustrating thing about AoU was the lack of SHIELD. It was set-up perfectly numerous times