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Discussion in 'The Comics' started by Rrhyno, May 7, 2006.
which comics is Storm currently in?
None (as in X-men comics save Ultimate X-men) at the moment. She's currently being used (downgraded I feel) to try an increase the dropping sales (already low) of and/or save the Black Panther comic by getting married to Black Panther.
so your saying that she isn't a REGULAR member in ANY comics, but she has been a guest in a few to increase sales?
She's a semi-regular member in Black Panther now, and she's in a mini-series thats flashing back to her teenage years. Read 'em if you like.
yeah! I know she has a mini-series! i bought 2 & 3 so far!
But are u sure she isn't in Uncanny & Ultimate, I Thought She Led The Uncanny?
That was a while ago, no shes not in any X-men comics right now.
She's in Ultimate, but thats not mainstream 616 universe. Its a different universe. I love Ultimate X-men and most Ultimate titles, but you might not like the way Storm is portrayed, shes not the same character. She's a bratty tomboy with a "street trash" look who runs around with Logan in a semi-relationship.
OMFG WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY STORM, I LOVE HER OMG! lol
Marvel needs to reunite those classic characters like from the tv show, that would be great.
I get so confused with all of this different series Ultimate 616, NEW X-Men............. how can i get on track?
6 part Mini-series [the latest issue is Storm #3]
Upcoming [10th May, 2006]:
Mavel Adventures Avengers
she lead the uncanny team for a while but on a mission to africa she met up with black panther and their relationship was rekindled. she decided to stay with him in wakanda and soon after black panther asked her to marry him. she answered yes and now we're awaiting the "wedding of the century" marvel's newest hyped event.
Theres 2 major Marvel Universes:
616 (the main one)
New X-men, Uncanny and X-men are all in this universe. This is the main Marvel universe. It has stories about the X-men since the 60s. A lot of classic stories, bunch of great comics, and a lot of crappy stories and comics too. And a lot of backstory, both excellent and mediocre.
This is the revamped universe, its a sort of modern updated version and new takes on the characters. Its just a really cool idea with a bunch of great stories, without a lot of the convoluted backstories of the regular universe.
If you want more info, Wikipedia them:
thanks for the info, now i kinda understand, i think im gonna stick with the 616 universe.
is the New X-Men also in the 616 uni......
Storm being written out of the 616 x-men comics has really made me mad. The reason for it is also a big loss. It's just a sad excuse to increase the Black Panther sales.
I have to say x-men comic sales are really gonna drop due to the way they've been writing out and screwing with characters that have big fanbases. The new team line-ups also suck.
This discovery is discerning some what, but also pleasing to another degree. In all truth, i'm always trying to find another X book to read, besides Astonishing X-Men (which has yet to disappoint me). However, my one condition for reading another X book, is that Storm would have to be involved. I read Astonishing for the well crafted dialouge, but if I were to read another X title, it would have to involve Storm. She's been my favorite X-Man ever since I was about 13 years old. Tis a shame that her character has not only served a minor role in two huge movies, but now her character is being diminished, to bolster the sales of a strong character, with a poor title. It should be obvious to Marvel, that Black Panther does not stand alone well enough. He should be popularized through team ups, then reintroduced as a stand alone. In the mean time, Storm and Storm fans shall have to pay the price for T'Challa's fictional happiness.
Boy,.. that was a heavily biased opinion.
It's scary how there are three or four of you who seem to be lazy thinkers on this thread.
Most readers at my store can only tolerate one or two Ultimate titles depending on their favs because the totality of the Ultimate Universe sucks big wind in regards to continuity within that universe.
A lot of the "revamped" changes are pure shock value by going 90 to 180 degrees off the 616 Universe because they can. There is nothing "new" save the writers don't have to worry overmuch about a character other than what they want to write about that character.
Your slanted viewpoint of stating that Ultimate has nothing but "great stories" reminds me of that time in DC history where there was no kind of editorial control and they had Superman in 16 places at once,...
Only the kids liked it that way.
I'm a lazy thinker? Hilarious. You hate the Ultimate line, thats great. That doesnt make me a lazy thinker. Who are you? Kant? Popper?
Yea, its been 90% good or decent stories. Unlike mainstream X-books since, oh, 1989. I dont like the Ultimate universe because its "new" or "shocking", I like it because its simple, elegantly told superheroics, not loads of ridiculously convoluted backstories, dangling plot lines, clones, random resurrections and other gimmicks, complete with generally weak writing and a total mess of a continuity (Revanche? Xorneto? unexplained power swaps? Revolving door of death?). Marvel puts some of their best talent on Ultimate (Bendis, Ellis, Millar, Vaughan) and it shows. Thanks for the shoddy psychoanalysis of Ultimate fans, chum.
Black Panther is one of the most original comics Marvel is pumping out today,far more superior than any x-crap.Then again,sales say nothing.Books like BP,She-Hulk,Runaways,The Thing and Ares are some of the best stuff Marvel is producing yet they remain at the bottom of the charts.
Dude, it does not help your argument to call the X-titles crap. You seem pretty upset that people downplay BP and here you are doing the same.[sigh]
I recommend Rrhyno to get BP for mainline Storm action. Hudlin's take on the character is different in some ways but not completely. BP is a quality comic book that deserves more recognition..
My response was a direct answer to your dimestore analysis of the 616 universe.
You obviously haven't read enough mainstream to have an opinion other than the one that the folk who can't keep track,... or can't be bothered to keep track of what came before have.
that of the lazy thinker.
You read like the stuff is "new and fresh" but in most cases in many stories it's stuff covered more than a decade ago in 616 but given the "what-If" twist.
Homosexual Russian Superheroes who can ignore the physics of being able to move a Multi-Ton Sub w/o ANY of the explanations that make 616 heroics "possible",... pages of talking heads and unrealistic dialog in the middle of major events,.. an over use of grunge teenage angst and out of character interaction to forward a "in most cases" silly plot twist.
Jeez,... how many times can peter lose his mask before he considers Velcro or at least a zipper?
Who's the better story writer? Someone who researches what came before and tells a good one w/o messing up what did come before?
Someone who keeps the name and the general idea of a character,.. but changes things w/o too much thought because they think "It'd be cooler?"
The Ultimate line doesn't have enough substance for me to hate - sorry.
I admit a strong pref for 616 over it though because 616 is the richer universe.
What? in ten / twenty years if you are still reading comics are you gonna complain about how convuluted the Ultimate Universe has gotten?
Based on your response to me,...................... YES.
Have a nice day.
I feel that is a pretty poor view of the matter. A poor view, but one you are entitled to. If you do not feel that the 616 universe is convoluted, then I would feel inclined to label you a fanatic/fanboy/idealist. Look at how many contradictions run in the 616. People die and come back to life in a 616 book, as if death means nothing. Look at all of the havoc that resurrecting the Green Goblin brought. The entire Sins Past story line, is the result of convoluted story telling. I could go into much greater depth, but the fact is, the 616 Marvel universe is now 43 years old. Many writers and artists have approached these books and spun tales. On the other hand, the Ultimate universe is only 5 years old. Comparabily infantile, in retrospect. Many Ultimate books are still written by the same authors who originated them. To this day, Millar and Bendis are still handling the Ultimates and Ultimate Spider-Man, respectively. You can't say that about 616 books. The Ultimate line is enjoyable, because it is free of the obligations and history of the 616. If 616 Peter Parker divorced Mary Jane, i'd feel great disdain for the matter. But Ultimate Peter Parker dates Kitty Pryde, and I think it was an excellent idea. It is a way to reinvent characters and scenarios, without having to mess with a legacy that in some cases, is more established than the writers actual career. For better or for worst, both universes provide a plethora of benefits. If you opt to only have one dish from the buffet, be my guess, but I am a hungry man, and I know there is much to consume.
I havent given you my analysis of the 616 universe. When I do so, be grateful, because you'll learn something.
I've read X-men comics for 10 years, and I've read the full line of Uncanny from X-men v1. #1 - 435 or so and most of X-men vol. 2, as well as several spinoffs, etc. 0/10 there, Nostradamus.
Zarathustra has spoken, and he is apparently a patronizing ass.
Indeed, in 616 comics when a man lifts several thousand tons as a result of their mutation its quite believable and definitely in line with physics. But ah, in the Ultimate universe, you have Homosexual Russian Superheroes lifting submarines as a result of their mutation! Unbelievable. Since when can Homosexual Russian Superheroes lift thousands of tons? Suspension of disbelief... cracking...
Yea, that never happens in 616.
God forbit there be teen drama in an Ultimate comic. I mean when the X-men and Spiderman were introduced there wasn't any ridiculous teen drama or anything. I mean pages were not written of Scott Summers angsting away over his teen crush on his fellow student. Teenage love-triangle drama didn't simmer between Iceman, Havok and Polaris. Hank and Bobby didn't constantly bicker like teenage kids. Or anything.
Because, after all, 616 has abounded in fresh, original ideas in well told superhero stories. We haven't years of Chuck Austen, Milligan, Diet Claremont. We haven't had an entire decade where Rob Liefeld was given work at Marvel and Bob Harras spitting on the X-men.
The Ultimate line doesn't have enough substance for me to hate - sorry.
Most likely not, because the writers have generally stayed away from idiotic gimmicks and hideous convolutions so far.
Sorry but your arguement is faulty on too many points. I can find contradictions in ANY comic run that goes further than a decade,.. it can't be avoided. This is why Stan Lee had come up with the concept of "No Prizes" in the first place,.. to explain such convulated contradictions caused by too many writers with their own spin on a character.
You guys argue Ultimate like its perfect,... and get insulted when someone see's your bashing of 616 as not right and proper.
I called him a lazy thinker for stepping on here and saying that ultimate is full of great stories that 616 is lacking in,... I flipped it and he had a cow.
I read quality not quanity and when new books come out I try them before I add them or drop them.
Not really impressed with ANY ultimate line save Fantastic Four,.. and thats because they gave a nice spin on their origin and the resulting issues from being very intelligent people being granted Super Powers.
On the same tip,.. I have issues with change for the sake of change. No one including the Hulk in the 616 universe had done what Collossus with the sub in the ultimates line. Not because they were not strong enough,.. but because the writers knew better Or explained how it could be possible
Spiderman in ultimates is apparently not too bright and more than a few of us don't like the dumbing down of the character,....c'mon - wasting time to WRITE a list of fat jokes to tell the KingPin the next time he see's him?
Different strokes - don't slam something that has enough history to have mistakes over something that is not too much on originality.
Go FieryBalrgo go!! I hate the Ultimate line, but I would never refer to one who likes it as a lazy thinker, or a line for kiddies. In fact, the reason I don't like it is because it seems more adultish than 616, more grittier and darker.
And feelings hurt,.. you get more offensive. Whatever,. I'm not feeling you. you wanna cry because your viewpoint of the 616 universe was not accepted by all - it's on you. but you already gave your narrow view in one paragraph.
I've been reading Marvel consistantly since 1978 child,... the full range where 30 good to great writers got together and put together a universe that for the most part is of one piece - more consistant than not.
As writers fall off the path or make too many errors,.. I drop certain books until the writing improves,.. I don't make a blanket statement like you did.
(sigh) more insults,...
You show yourself to be a spoiled brat.
(Waaaaahhh he dissed the ultimate line.)
Now what do we say to each other?
Diff between 616 and Ultimates,... Nah,.. nevermind - I just had a flash of having to show example after example between the two where 616 bothers to explain how or rests on canon,... while Ultimate does "Just-so" feats like someone wearing size twelves being able to gain enough traction to drag a sub out of the water.
I can see you missed my point - whatever - I never said there wasn't teen drama in 616,... or angst. But where Xmen 616 for example may have the teenage: "Nobody understands what I'm going through - oh I hate my life even though I love being a mutant - I wonder/can't tell if he / she likes me" once every 6 or seven issues MAX in the main titles,... Ultimate has it happening almost every issue.
You like/need that? More power to you but my character development doesn't require as much whining to be enjoyable.
Heh. There is bad and good in every comic run in both universes - YOU only want to see it in 616,... can't help you.
The Ultimate line doesn't have enough substance for me to hate - sorry.
Open laughter - yup.
Venom, Green Goblin, The Defenders, all not idiotic or unessesarily convoluted in Ultimates.
Galactus,... Vision,... Silver Surfer - all great retreads,....
Look,... I could punch holes in ANY comic line because nothing is perfect. But I won't waste the calories to do so unless some "person" goes fanboy on a board and call everything but his fav crap.
In this case you gave the opinion that got my attention and like the individual before you it took no thought on your part.