Rrhyno said:yeah! I know she has a mini-series! i bought 2 & 3 so far!
But are u sure she isn't in Uncanny & Ultimate, I Thought She Led The Uncanny?
Rrhyno said:OMFG WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY STORM, I LOVE HER OMG! lol
Marvel needs to reunite those classic characters like from the tv show, that would be great.
I get so confused with all of this different series Ultimate 616, NEW X-Men............. how can i get on track?
Boy,.. that was a heavily biased opinion.Effect said:None (as in X-men comics save Ultimate X-men) at the moment. She's currently being used (downgraded I feel) to try an increase the dropping sales (already low) of and/or save the Black Panther comic by getting married to Black Panther.
FieryBalrog said:Theres 2 major Marvel Universes:
616 (the main one)
New X-men, Uncanny and X-men are all in this universe. This is the main Marvel universe. It has stories about the X-men since the 60s. A lot of classic stories, bunch of great comics, and a lot of crappy stories and comics too. And a lot of backstory, both excellent and mediocre.
This is the revamped universe, its a sort of modern updated version and new takes on the characters. Its just a really cool idea with a bunch of great stories, without a lot of the convoluted backstories of the regular universe.
If you want more info, Wikipedia them:
Varient said:It's scary how there are three or four of you who seem to be lazy thinkers on this thread.
Most readers at my store can only tolerate one or two Ultimate titles depending on their favs because the totality of the Ultimate Universe sucks big wind in regards to continuity within that universe.
A lot of the "revamped" changes are pure shock value by going 90 to 180 degrees off the 616 Universe because they can. There is nothing "new" save the writers don't have to worry overmuch about a character other than what they want to write about that character.
Your slanted viewpoint of stating that Ultimate has nothing but "great stories" reminds me of that time in DC history where there was no kind of editorial control and they had Superman in 16 places at once,...
Only the kids liked it that way.
Mistopurr83 said:Storm being written out of the 616 x-men comics has really made me mad. The reason for it is also a big loss. It's just a sad excuse to increase the Black Panther sales.
I have to say x-men comic sales are really gonna drop due to the way they've been writing out and screwing with characters that have big fanbases. The new team line-ups also suck.
GNR4Life said:Black Panther is one of the most original comics Marvel is pumping out today,far more superior than any x-crap.Then again,sales say nothing.Books like BP,She-Hulk,Runaways,The Thing and Ares are some of the best stuff Marvel is producing yet they remain at the bottom of the charts.
Please.FieryBalrog said:I'm a lazy thinker? Hilarious. You hate the Ultimate line, thats great. That doesnt make me a lazy thinker. Who are you? Kant? Popper?
Yea, its been 90% good or decent stories. Unlike mainstream X-books since, oh, 1989. I dont like the Ultimate universe because its "new" or "shocking", I like it because its simple, elegantly told superheroics, not loads of ridiculously convoluted backstories, dangling plot lines, clones, random resurrections and other gimmicks, complete with generally weak writing and a total mess of a continuity (Revanche? Xorneto? unexplained power swaps? Revolving door of death?). Marvel puts some of their best talent on Ultimate (Bendis, Ellis, Millar, Vaughan) and it shows. Thanks for the shoddy psychoanalysis of Ultimate fans, chum.
My response was a direct answer to your dimestore analysis of the 616 universe.
Varient said:You obviously haven't read enough mainstream to have an opinion other than the one that the folk who can't keep track,... or can't be bothered to keep track of what came before have.
Varient said:that of the lazy thinker.
Varient said:You read like the stuff is "new and fresh" but in most cases in many stories it's stuff covered more than a decade ago in 616 but given the "what-If" twist.
Homosexual Russian Superheroes who can ignore the physics of being able to move a Multi-Ton Sub w/o ANY of the explanations that make 616 heroics "possible",
Varient said:... pages of talking heads and unrealistic dialog in the middle of major events,..
God forbit there be teen drama in an Ultimate comic. I mean when the X-men and Spiderman were introduced there wasn't any ridiculous teen drama or anything. I mean pages were not written of Scott Summers angsting away over his teen crush on his fellow student. Teenage love-triangle drama didn't simmer between Iceman, Havok and Polaris. Hank and Bobby didn't constantly bicker like teenage kids. Or anything.Varient said:an over use of grunge teenage angst and out of character interaction to forward a "in most cases" silly plot twist.
Jeez,... how many times can peter lose his mask before he considers Velcro or at least a zipper?
Varient said:Who's the better story writer? Someone who researches what came before and tells a good one w/o messing up what did come before?
Someone who keeps the name and the general idea of a character,.. but changes things w/o too much thought because they think "It'd be cooler?"
Varient said:I admit a strong pref for 616 over it though because 616 is the richer universe.
What? in ten / twenty years if you are still reading comics are you gonna complain about how convuluted the Ultimate Universe has gotten?
Based on your response to me,...................... YES.
Have a nice day.
Sorry but your arguement is faulty on too many points. I can find contradictions in ANY comic run that goes further than a decade,.. it can't be avoided. This is why Stan Lee had come up with the concept of "No Prizes" in the first place,.. to explain such convulated contradictions caused by too many writers with their own spin on a character.Arach Knight said:I feel that is a pretty poor view of the matter. A poor view, but one you are entitled to. If you do not feel that the 616 universe is convoluted, then I would feel inclined to label you a fanatic/fanboy/idealist. Look at how many contradictions run in the 616. People die and come back to life in a 616 book, as if death means nothing. Look at all of the havoc that resurrecting the Green Goblin brought. The entire Sins Past story line, is the result of convoluted story telling. I could go into much greater depth, but the fact is, the 616 Marvel universe is now 43 years old. Many writers and artists have approached these books and spun tales. On the other hand, the Ultimate universe is only 5 years old. Comparabily infantile, in retrospect. Many Ultimate books are still written by the same authors who originated them. To this day, Millar and Bendis are still handling the Ultimates and Ultimate Spider-Man, respectively. You can't say that about 616 books. The Ultimate line is enjoyable, because it is free of the obligations and history of the 616. If 616 Peter Parker divorced Mary Jane, i'd feel great disdain for the matter. But Ultimate Peter Parker dates Kitty Pryde, and I think it was an excellent idea. It is a way to reinvent characters and scenarios, without having to mess with a legacy that in some cases, is more established than the writers actual career. For better or for worst, both universes provide a plethora of benefits. If you opt to only have one dish from the buffet, be my guess, but I am a hungry man, and I know there is much to consume.
FieryBalrog said:I havent given you my analysis of the 616 universe. When I do so, be grateful, because you'll learn something..
(chuckle)FieryBalrog said:I've read X-men comics for 10 years, and I've read the full line of Uncanny from X-men v1. #1 - 435 or so and most of X-men vol. 2, as well as several spinoffs, etc. 0/10 there, Nostradamus..
(sigh) more insults,...FieryBalrog said:Zarathustra has spoken, and he is apparently a patronizing ass..
???FieryBalrog said:Indeed, in 616 comics when a man lifts several thousand tons as a result of their mutation its quite believable and definitely in line with physics. But ah, in the Ultimate universe, you have Homosexual Russian Superheroes lifting submarines as a result of their mutation! Unbelievable. Since when can Homosexual Russian Superheroes lift thousands of tons? Suspension of disbelief... cracking....
TSK.FieryBalrog said:Yea, that never happens in 616. .
FieryBalrog said:God forbit (forbid)there be teen drama in an Ultimate comic. I mean when the X-men and Spiderman were introduced there wasn't any ridiculous teen drama or anything. I mean pages were not written of Scott Summers angsting away over his teen crush on his fellow student. Teenage love-triangle drama didn't simmer between Iceman, Havok and Polaris. Hank and Bobby didn't constantly bicker like teenage kids. Or anything..
Heh. There is bad and good in every comic run in both universes - YOU only want to see it in 616,... can't help you.FieryBalrog said:Because, after all, 616 has abounded in fresh, original ideas in well told superhero stories. We haven't years of Chuck Austen, Milligan, Diet Claremont. We haven't had an entire decade where Rob Liefeld was given work at Marvel and Bob Harras spitting on the X-men..
Open laughter - yup.FieryBalrog said:Most likely not, because the writers have generally stayed away from idiotic gimmicks and hideous convolutions so far.