who is tired of the movie makers stalling wonder woman

[GL's Light]

This is the character Angelina Jolie played in Wanted: Fox.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Yeah, Salt was originally a man(Edwin)

My thing is that Wonder Woman isn't special in her lack of a live action movie so I find it hard to play up the fact that it's some kind of big deal that she hasn't gotten one yet.There are very logical business reasons. And numerous writers have taken a crack at it. Green Lantern has been around as long as she has and we are just getting one now. Flash got a tv series like she did and hasn't gone anywhere. Same can be said for Captain Marvel.

So yeah, Flash will probably be next, because he's getting a huge revival from DC. If it goes as well as Green Lantern, I'd expect to see him in 2011/12.

If Wonder Woman isn't next or alongside Supes reboot, you may start seeing even mainstream news asking what the frak happened to 'Wonder Woman?

 

[Steelsheen]

This is the character Angelina Jolie played in Wanted: Fox.

hmm, yeah you're right, i must've confused it with other characters in the comics.

but still, it doesnt change my point about creating a character that is accessible to audiences regardless if its played by a male or a female

 

[The Major]

My thing is that Wonder Woman isn't special in her lack of a live action movie so I find it hard to play up the fact that it's some kind of big deal that she hasn't gotten one yet.

I disagree. This character has managed to become the world's most famous super-heroine, a cultural icon and managed to get many fans which would never pick up a comic book despite the world never seeing the true WW until very recently in JLU but a campy version from the 60's whose primarily stayed semi-relevant with nostalgia. All without a constant presence in high profile solo projects in the mainstream for 30 years.

That's why WW is a big deal.

Comic fans would have gone crazy had this occured to Superman or Batman.

There are very logical business reasons.

There are logical reasons for both sides. Difference is WB has failed miserably in dealing with the problems in making the adaption. WW is not impossible to make. LOTR was arguably much more difficult yet that got made.

And numerous writers have taken a crack at it.

Numerous writers means little if none were either able to sucessfully "get" the property or the producers would sit on it because they were clueless or didn't make it a high priority.

Green Lantern has been around as long as she has and we are just getting one now.

Because the producers made it a high priority, understood, respected and had a good plan for GL. At least one of the producers and writers actually are GL comic fanboys, WW does not have have that luxury.

Flash got a tv series like she did and hasn't gone anywhere. Same can be said for Captain Marvel.

Flash isn't an international icon on her level. IIRC her series did better, too. Marvel's film was going well until WB killed it prematurely. The WW film has been a disaster since day one.

So yeah, Flash will probably be next, because he's getting a huge revival from DC. If it goes as well as Green Lantern, I'd expect to see him in 2011/12.

Agreed.

If Wonder Woman isn't next or alongside Supes reboot, you may start seeing even mainstream news asking what the frak happened to 'Wonder Woman?

They're 30 years to late. Not that WB should rely on the media to state the obvious.

 

[GL's Light]

Two films to keep an eye on are War of the Gods and Clash of the Titans. They're both being made on relatively modest budgets (by today's spending standards), $85 million for War of the Gods and $70 million for Clash of the Titans. If they can deliver good production values on those budgets then there's no reason why Wonder Woman couldn't do the same, and the odds of a George Perez style Wonder Woman could get a boost if the two aforementioned films do well.

 

[The Major]

Two films to keep an eye on are War of the Gods and Clash of the Titans. They're both being made on relatively modest budgets (by today's spending standards), $85 million for War of the Gods and $70 million for Clash of the Titans. If they can deliver good production values on those budgets then there's no reason why Wonder Woman couldn't do the same, and the odds of a George Perez style Wonder Woman could get a boost if the two aforementioned films do well.

 

[haephestus]

Can't wait for War of the Gods and the remake of Clash of the Titans.

There's also a children's film in the works called "Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Lightning Thief" based on a novel of the same name. It includes the Greek Olympian gods, but does so in a "modern" setting. It could work in increasing children's awareness of Greek myths.

If these films can inspire an interest in and knowledge of Greek mythology, then that *may* help Wonder Woman get a film made - simply because they'll be keen to jump on the "Greek myth" bandwagon and Wonder Woman is their highest profile super-hero rooted in Greek myth.

Cheers.

 

[Steelsheen]

personally i'd be keeping an eye on Thor. he's in a pretty similar position to WW-- a comic book with roots in mythology whose franchise has long been established and has a small loyal following however is not as recognizable mainstream other than his interactions with a group (Avengers). it can be said that WW has had more cultural impact with mainstream audiences (being touted as the most recognizable superheroine, a feminist icon and so on) but currently their franchises are pretty much on the same level. Branagh looks to be a perfect fit in bringing the Thor franchise to the big screen, hopefully making it relatable to the audience without sacrificing canon (too much anyway). wish we could find someone like that for WW.

 

[The Guard]

WONDER WOMAN could be a franchise. It has immense potential. But it's just not that simple to make a good Wonder Woman movie. It's not that simple to make ANY good superhero movie, and those of you who want to pretend otherwise are being incredibly unrealistic.

I don't think it's all about the TV show coloring people's perceptions of Wonder Woman, and if it was, so what? The TV show elements have bled into the comics over the years. I think it's simply that WONDER WOMAN is a sizeable risk for a studio, like anything else. A risk, when there are less risky options. Yes, she's a known character, but she's not THAT popular. She's essentially a female Superman to the general public, and what did we see with SUPERMAN RETURNS? That even HE's not that popular with the general public.

It may also well be that right now, no one wants to make this film terribly. WATCHMEN didn't happen until Zach Snyder was willing to take it on. BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT didn't happen until Chris Nolan came aboard. Pitof made CATWOMAN because literally no one else wanted to. GREEN LANTERN and JONAH HEX are happening because there's passion behind it. You can point to almost ANY superhero movie, and DEFINITELY any good superhero movie...and see that it takes real passion for the comic book character to get a superhero movie made, let alone a good one.

At this point, does anyone see anyone, and I mean anyone, clamoring to be allowed to produce or direct WONDER WOMAN? The only people who were clamoring to write it wrote what was a mostly terrible script. I suspect WB hasn't moved forward because no one's given them anything GOOD, and no one feasible has showed a particular amount of passion over making this movie.

I know Joss Whedon was involved...I also know nothing I heard him say indicated to me that he "got it" any more than anyone else ever would.

That said, WB doesn't "owe" you anything, so stop acting like it. WB can't just make nothing but superhero film after superhero film, they have other genres and other projects they must make as well. Even if you just consider superheroes, they've got Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash to worry about realistically, and probably Justice League, too. Use your brains, people. If a studio drops $200 million on a GREEN LANTERN film, they probably aren't going to want to risk another $150 million on WONDER WOMAN in the same timeframe, especially when they're going to have a $170 million third Batman film to bankroll soon enough, as well as a potential Superman relaunch that will also cost into the hundreds of millions.

In terms of "But it's got so potential", yes, it does, but how easy is that potential to translate into a cohesive franchise?

I see a lot of *****ing, and I see a lot of people who think they can throw out basic concepts like "But it has her being made out of clay", "Island of Amazons", "cool villains", etc, and then wonder why WB won't rush to make the movie. I can tell you how those concepts would work in a serious film...but that doesn't mean a major studio would MAKE that film. I have yet to hear ANY of you pitch a viable and specific concept for Wonder Woman in this thread.

I would bet, however that if WATCHMEN is successful, and that if Silk Spectre is liked by audiences, you will probably see a WONDER WOMAN film tossed around, and then go into some kind of production within the next few years. And yes, THOR is something to keep an eye on as well. So is GREEN LANTERN.

This "it takes a long time to make a movie" thing is just the nature of superhero franchises, people. It's the nature of a LOT of large franchises. Spider-Man, Daredevil, X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man, The Punisher, Ghost Rider, Batman, Superman, V For Vendetta, Watchmen and concepts like Thor, Captain America and Luke Cage...all these concepts took years and years of the production process to bring to the point where they were even remotely viable film franchises/films. There are some concepts like Deathlok, Iron Fist that just languish and languish in Development Hell despite scripts being written, directors and actors being interested, etc. There's even a new The Phantom project that's been in the works for something like six or seven years now.

Patience is a virtue.

 

[The Batman]

WONDER WOMAN could be a franchise. It has immense potential. But it's just not that simple to make a good Wonder Woman movie. It's not that simple to make ANY good superhero movie, and those of you who want to pretend otherwise are being incredibly unrealistic.

I don't think it's all about the TV show coloring people's perceptions of Wonder Woman, and if it was, so what? The TV show elements have bled into the comics over the years. I think it's simply that WONDER WOMAN is a sizeable risk for a studio, like anything else. A risk, when there are less risky options. Yes, she's a known character, but she's not THAT popular. She's essentially a female Superman to the general public, and what did we see with SUPERMAN RETURNS? That even HE's not that popular with the general public.

It may also well be that right now, no one wants to make this film terribly. WATCHMEN didn't happen until Zach Snyder was willing to take it on. BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT didn't happen until Chris Nolan came aboard. Pitof made CATWOMAN because literally no one else wanted to. GREEN LANTERN and JONAH HEX are happening because there's passion behind it. You can point to almost ANY superhero movie, and DEFINITELY any good superhero movie...and see that it takes real passion for the comic book character to get a superhero movie made, let alone a good one.

At this point, does anyone see anyone, and I mean anyone, clamoring to be allowed to produce or direct WONDER WOMAN? The only people who were clamoring to write it wrote what was a mostly terrible script. I suspect WB hasn't moved forward because no one's given them anything GOOD, and no one feasible has showed a particular amount of passion over making this movie.

I know Joss Whedon was involved...I also know nothing I heard him say indicated to me that he "got it" any more than anyone else ever would.

That said, WB doesn't "owe" you anything, so stop acting like it. WB can't just make nothing but superhero film after superhero film, they have other genres and other projects they must make as well. Even if you just consider superheroes, they've got Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Flash to worry about realistically, and probably Justice League, too. Use your brains, people. If a studio drops $200 million on a GREEN LANTERN film, they probably aren't going to want to risk another $150 million on WONDER WOMAN in the same timeframe, especially when they're going to have a $170 million third Batman film to bankroll soon enough, as well as a potential Superman relaunch that will also cost into the hundreds of millions.

In terms of "But it's got so potential", yes, it does, but how easy is that potential to translate into a cohesive franchise?

I see a lot of *****ing, and I see a lot of people who think they can throw out basic concepts like "But it has her being made out of clay", "Island of Amazons", "cool villains", etc, and then wonder why WB won't rush to make the movie. I can tell you how those concepts would work in a serious film...but that doesn't mean a major studio would MAKE that film. I have yet to hear ANY of you pitch a viable and specific concept for Wonder Woman in this thread.

I would bet, however that if WATCHMEN is successful, and that if Silk Spectre is liked by audiences, you will probably see a WONDER WOMAN film tossed around, and then go into some kind of production within the next few years. And yes, THOR is something to keep an eye on as well. So is GREEN LANTERN.

This "it takes a long time to make a movie" thing is just the nature of superhero franchises, people. It's the nature of a LOT of large franchises. Spider-Man, Daredevil, X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man, The Punisher, Ghost Rider, Batman, Superman, V For Vendetta, Watchmen and concepts like Thor, Captain America and Luke Cage...all these concepts took years and years of the production process to bring to the point where they were even remotely viable film franchises/films. There are some concepts like Deathlok, Iron Fist that just languish and languish in Development Hell despite scripts being written, directors and actors being interested, etc. There's even a new The Phantom project that's been in the works for something like six or seven years now.

Patience is a virtue.

And this...is recognizing the reality of the situation....

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Batman GL Superman and Flash have films in development.

They should just introduce Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter into a JL film where they all team up.

Clearly WB isn't too happy about having a superhero film with a female hero as the lead.

They need to test the waters with the character first.

 

[Steelsheen]

Guard, great post

 

[mclay18]

I know Joss Whedon was involved...I also know nothing I heard him say indicated to me that he "got it" any more than anyone else ever would.

His outline was probably a hundred times better than the spec script by Jennison and Strickland Silver picked up after Whedon was given the boot.

Seriously, I think that Silver and the direction WB was in at the time was bogging Whedon down. Does anyone care to put that into consideration, especially Whedon's reiterated time and time again that the producers didn't give him a direction to go into or suggestions to make it better? That's what frustrated him.

I think Whedon is one of the best directors to have passion for WW, whether he could do that and make a good film about it is a totally different story. It would've been entertaining at the least.

 

[Steelsheen]

^^ from everything i've read of Whedon during his involvement with WW nothing he said indicated that 1.) he understood the WW character (only bits and pieces of what a strong woman character is about) and 2.) that he enjoyed writing it. anybody likening a project to "pulling teeth" couldnt possibly have had passion for WW, not the kind we need for this project anyway.

 

[The Guard]

What was so great about Whedon's outline?

 

[Evil Twin]

What was so great about Whedon's outline?

Obviously you're not keeping up with the times Guard. Whedon's outline was great because Whedon wrote it. Q.E.D. Obviously it had to be great, because Whedon's never written anything disappointing, like the hack that wrote Alien Resurrection, for instance.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Looking at the delay... It's like Xena, Buffy, LOTR, A Mighty Heart (string female lead) never ever existed...

I find it hilarious though... that if tomorrow... CHRIS NOLAN said he wanted to make a Wonder Woman film... shooting would start the next week onwards...
Warner doesn't really trust anyone but him and Snyder right now...

 

[batlovescatDC]

I am a huge Angelina Jolie fan, but I think I would much rather see a more relatively unknown (like a pre-Begins Bale type popularity) actress playing Wonder Woman. I think Angelina would make a kick-as* Circe. I would love to see her in that role. I just can't believe that she's never a played an actual bad-girl. I think it's about time that she starred as an out-right villainess. She would do great.

 

[batlovescatDC]

Looking at the delay... It's like Xena, Buffy, LOTR, A Mighty Heart (string female lead) never ever existed...

I find it hilarious though... that if tomorrow... CHRIS NOLAN said he wanted to make a Wonder Woman film... shooting would start the next week onwards...
Warner doesn't really trust anyone but him and Snyder right now...

Lol. I completely agree.... but part of me has to think, "Can you really blame them?". Snyder is definitely one of my top choices to direct WW. I would absolutely love that. I also think that Wolfgang Peterson would do an awesome. But considering that Joel Silver is the producer for this... chances are that the Wachowski Brothers rumor is gonna end up coming true. And I really don't know what to think about that. I mean, looking at Matrix and V For Vendetta, I would say... hell yeah... Silver and the Wachowski's could definitely pull it off, but then I look at pieces of crap like Speed Racer and I'm like.... ugh.

 

[The Major]

Obviously you're not keeping up with the times Guard. Whedon's outline was great because Whedon wrote it. Q.E.D. Obviously it had to be great, because Whedon's never written anything disappointing, like the hack that wrote Alien Resurrection, for instance.

Whedon isn't perfect. But he's hardly a bad writer with sci-fi.

 

[Evil Twin]

Whedon isn't perfect. But he's hardly a bad writer with sci-fi.

No he's not a bad writer of sci-fi. But he isn't perfect. He has no noteworthy record with adaptations either. Can he preserve another author's "voice" is an open question with Whedon.

And his WW outline is great in the same way that Miller's Justice League would have been awful. It's a matter of faith, not evidence. Nobody's done an in depth review of the outline.

 

[The Major]

No he's not a bad writer of sci-fi. But he isn't perfect. He has no noteworthy record with adaptations either. Can he preserve another author's "voice" is an open question with Whedon.

And his WW outline is great in the same way that Miller's Justice League would have been awful. It's a matter of faith, not evidence. Nobody's done an in depth review of the outline.

True.

 

[Lucid]

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[Evil Twin]

Editing down a duplicate post.

I see the logic of 1. Whedon is a good writer of "strong women" 2. Wonder Woman is a "strong woman" 3. Therefore: Whedon will be a good writer for WW. But, I think that's flawed logic in that there are many different types of "strong women" and Buffy and WW aren't analogous types, IMO.

I could even see a Whedon WW script being good. But, it wouldn't necessarily be a WW that I'd appreciate.

 

[The Major]

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