Who NEEDS To Come Back Home To Marvel Studios?

[3dman27]

this!^^^^^

they've been flip flopping about a fox-men/ff shared universe and begging to be part of marvel's mcu ever since avenger's success.

To millar and kinberg's credit i want to see them in a shared universe to, just reverted, rebooted and no where near fox.

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[gildedmuse]

And Spidey? Well, I'm fine with him being at Sony (I actually like the Garfield/Webb take on the character even though TASM2 was a narrative mess), and pretty much the only reason I'd want to see him in the MCU would be to see him interact and Cap and Stark. Or to see him done as an expensive Netflix series. But outside of those 2 possibilities I haven't had this burning desire to see him join this universe.

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I voted Spidey just because I enjoy seeing him geek out over other superheroes and the likes of Tony Stark. It's like having Coulson be a Cap fan in Avengers; the geeky audience surrogate is an easy character to like. Besides, it's just hilarious if Spider-Man is out there keeping the city safe from all these immediate threats only to be constantly called into suspicion, while in the mean time the Avengers are sitting up in their private tower, sipping ice tea and waving at their adoring public.

There is a strange charm to Peter as the regular kid with terrible luck despite the fact that he's been gifted with these amazing abilities (on top of naturally being pretty damn smart). It's as if Peter's so use to be being beaten down he manages to turn everything into a burden, even freaking superpowers. Yet Spider-Man gives off the impression of someone having a wild amount of fun. I like the characterization of a younger Peter Parker as a reserved, socially awkward teenager in daily life who takes on this snarky show-off personality as Spider-Man. If Peter is your typical insecure teenager type who has grown up surrounded by these costumed heroes with larger than life personalities it feels almost natural for him to climb into a spandex suit and feel liberated by this. Plus, having older superheroes to idealize and who make the job look so awesome supply a fun contrast to Peter's own less conventional, occasionally sloppy, way of doing things.

At the same time, it's totally not a requirement or anything. You can totally create the same basic effect by emphasizing "the audacity of anonymity" and how putting on that mask removes him from all real life expectations of how he is suppose to act in accordance to his place in the High School Hierarchy. It all still works even if Spider-Man is regulated to his own universe, and so I wouldn't say that he needs to be in the MCU. Sure, it's possible to come up with stories where including them is a natural fit, but you could argue that while plenty of characters maybe served by being part of a large universe the majority could have their stories told entirely separately while still maintaining their characterization and themes.

I even agree with others that both the X-Men and the MCU benefit from being separate universes. They never cleanly meshed together for me, anyway. Heck, for the longest time when I was little I didn't even know they shared a universe. I read mostly X-Men, and assumed that when Spider-Man or Hulk popped up it was just a crossover gimmick and treated it like a Wonder Woman fighting Storm moment. Kind of like Sabrina and Archie; they would occasionally cross over and feature one another, but 95% of the time Archie's comics didn't deal with the supernatural and Sabrina seemed entirely removed from Riverdale. I just thought that was how comics worked.

(Actually, that eventually lead to me and my brother having a huge fight on the subject which to this day he'll bring up whenever we talk about comic related things. Maybe that's why I like them being separate now. So I can retroactively enjoy a small victory! )

F4 is in a similar position. I think they have strong enough stories that you could keep them isolated from the other properties and still tell good stories. Do I enjoy Johnny and Spidey's friendship and would I love watching Reed and Stark having a scientific pissing contest? Yeah, I totally would. But none of that needs to happen.

In fact, I feel like limitation often breeds creativity and can really force writers to tell a better story instead of just lazily relying on other people's work. Just to use an example I'm sure will upset most people, the MCU has decided to run with Stark being Ultron's creator which, had Hank Pym been fully introduced isn't likely to happen. However, as someone who has yelled at Hank to stop wasting his time creating killer robots and go back to studying bugs, and as a big fan of watching Tony Stark suffer, I really think this is going to turn out to be a brilliant bit of storytelling.

 

[starscream22]

Well so far over 80% of you said FF needs to revert back to Marvel so here's to hopes that the same people and many more will vote with their money next June.

That's the only way that Fox will get the message.

 

[Infinight888]

Fantastic Four might be good due to the extra characters, like Doctor Doom and Silver Surfer (I don't really care for the Fantastic Four, themselves), but I'll go with Spidey on this one. We need more masked heroes in the MCU in order to get a civil war arc.

 

[The Batman]

EASILY The Fantastic Four.

Unlike Fox with the X-Men or Sony on Spider-Man, Fox has never made a definitive FF film. The FF would fit the MCU style so well, and I don't think MS would put the FF on the backburner if the rights reverted. I think a MS FF film would not only do the First Family justice, it would actually give FF a level relevance that I don't think the brand has had in years.

On another note, Loki is the only MCU villain that I'd call great. I have no doubt that Feige and co would bust their ass to make sure the MS version of Doctor Doom would be as good as, if not better than Loki.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah an MCU Doom would be amazing, he's as sharp as Iron man and as sinister as loki.

 

[Shikamaru]

Easily the FF. On top of the fact they never had a good film and the reboot doesn't look too promising, they'd fit the MCU like a glove. It feels a bit odd not having Reed Richards present when he is Marvel's biggest go-to guy for scientific problems.

Not to mention the wonders Marvel could do with Doom and Galactus. Now technically Marvel doesn't have the best track record when it comes to villains (not counting Loki and Modern Day HYDRA), but even their worsts were still eons ahead of Fox's versions of the FF villains. Plus I don't see Marvel allowing Doom to get screwed up in the first place. I feel like there's greater pressure there to do him justice than with their other antagonists.

 

[Farren]

Not to mention the wonders Marvel could do with Doom and Galactus. Now technically Marvel doesn't have the best track record when it comes to villains (not counting Loki and Modern Day HYDRA), but even their worsts were still eons ahead of Fox's versions of the FF villains. Plus I don't see Marvel allowing Doom to get screwed up in the first place. I feel like there's greater pressure there to do him justice than with their other antagonists.

I agree. Marvel's problem with some of it's underwhelming villains is -- IMO -- simply that they don't give them enough character development. They cast great and they get the characterizations right, but we don't always get in their heads enough. Doom is far too iconic and important to be shortchanged. Marvel knows that.

 

[The Hatchling]

I agree. Marvel's problem with some of it's underwhelming villains is -- IMO -- simply that they don't give them enough character development. They cast great and they get the characterizations right, but we don't always get in their heads enough. Doom is far too iconic and important to be shortchanged. Marvel knows that.

I feel as though these underwhelming villains are created in a way so they can be dropped after a movie without huge contradictions in the overall MCU plot. As for the possibility for the FF properties to come back, I would be excited for the villains more than the FF team themselves and I think Dr. Doom would be a fantastic choice for a overarching villain if we legally get to that point.

 

[Doc Ock]

FF because of Dr. Doom, Galactus and Myself.....

My thoughts exactly. A Marvel Universe without DOOM is a dark one indeed.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

My thoughts exactly. A Marvel Universe without DOOM is a dark one indeed.

To me characters like Dr. Doom and the Thing are about as "Marvel"-ly characters as you can get. As much as Spider-Man and Captain America IMO. It doesn't really feel right that they all can't be part of this great world building.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I agree. Marvel's problem with some of it's underwhelming villains is -- IMO -- simply that they don't give them enough character development. They cast great and they get the characterizations right, but we don't always get in their heads enough. Doom is far too iconic and important to be shortchanged. Marvel knows that.

As far as villain development - I agree it's a matter of screen time. e.g. Taylor and Eccleston both talked very fondly about Malekith scenes that no one's ever seen that unfortunately ended up on the cutting room floor for the sake of run time and pacing - scenes that I think would have made a world of difference in how he was perceived. Instead Marvel focused on another villain more (Loki their best villain thus far) flushing out his character but people overlook that. Something in the end has to get sacrificed in some of these situations.

I thought the Winter Soldier had fantastic villains. Winter Soldier, Pierce, and Rumlow were all excellent.

The main thing though is Marvel focuses on their heroes more than their villains and I like that because I love my heroes. Other films sometimes fail in that regard. As great a film as the Dark Knight is, I find the Joker and even Harvey Dent way more interesting than Batman. Thankfully you have Batman Begins as a character arc to set up such a villain centric film but IMO his character still does suffer a bit in the sequel.

In GOTG Ronan came across as a little one-dimensional but I thought he was genuinely scary. I don't fault the film at all for that because the far more important task Marvel had was taking multiple outlandish characters that no one's ever heard of and winning the audience over on them. If that doesn't work nobody will care two whits about how great a villain Ronan was. Not only that - there is the over arching MCU story development that requires that seeds of Thanos are planted along the way.

Now that these characters and their group dynamic is established I would expect that Marvel can flush out their villains more. It is too bad that Ronan died off because I would have liked to have seen his character explored more fully in a sequel. But I look at a character like Loki and know it's totally within Marvel's power to create more great villains.

If Dr. Doom ever came home there's no way Marvel would give him the short shrift. As already mentioned, he's too iconic. He's easily as popular as Marvel's greatest heroes. I think Marvel would absolutely do him justice.

 

[Chris B]

I'd still say the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and the X-Men in that order. As has been said ad nauseum, the Fantastic Four naturally lend themselves to the tone of the MCU with the bonus of being able to do a proper Dr. Doom, Galactus, and Silver Surfer.

I'd want to see MCU Spider-Man if only because being Marvel's flagship character he should be there. Plus, they could explore the street-level dynamics of the MCU.

While it be cool to see them, the X-Men work good as their own thing. And the Inhumans seem like they could be a good substitute.

 

[Hordakfan]

Fantastic Four duh! i mean if FF flops then they need to get back the rights as we want Galactus, Doom, Puppetmaster and even FF in any MCU movie even a potential crossover in a Guardians sequel or Avengers sequel.

 

[ctsketch]

We need Surfer, The Skrulls, Galactus, Annihilus and the negative zone

 

[SlamAdams]

I voted Fantastic Four. I think its something that the grander MCU needs. Not a super SWAT team, but a super-adventurer think-tank. Spider-Man would be great too because he's young and can represent a second generation of Avenger, the kind of person who would aspire to be a superhero, who didn't start the trend but is following it.

I would love the X-Men to come home simply for the sake of synergy and consistency but I think they would bring less to the overall universe. The X-Men might benefit more from being part of the MCU than the other way around. It would be interesting how they would introduce them though. It would probably be a real X-Files sort of thing, spontaneous phenomenon that has been happening under everyone's noses for ages. It would probably be a big outing of their existence.

 

[Inhuman]

Fantastic Four, mostly for the characters it would give Marvel access to (Dr. Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer, etc) but I would still love a real FF film done by Marvel.

 

[3dman27]

Fantastic Four, mostly for the characters it would give Marvel access to (Dr. Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer, etc) but I would still love a real FF film done by Marvel.

my sentiment EXACTLY I do not fault the cast of the previous FF movies but the story in each movie could've been better

 

[TeeKay]

Fantastic Four.