Who NEEDS To Come Back Home To Marvel Studios?

[Spiderine]

I can definitely understand that fans very much want a faithful high quality adaptation. I don't think that's the same as a need though, and I don't even think being in the MCU would do the FF much good.

I somewhat agree with you and I see your point. I don't think it's imperative for Marvel to have them or all the other elements given the massive success they are currently having. Many fans like myself who find the FF and its elements to be far more interesting in the MCU than over all alone at FOX is really whats at issue. They could be incorporated far better than Xmen/Spidey which can stay as far as Im concerned. Being introduced to the Cosmic side of things in the MCU just got me hyped for a Silver Surfer appearance. Don't find him compelling at all at FOX.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I think things really started to change around 2005 with Marvel getting a loan with the intention of starting their own projects which meant holding on to and reclaiming rights to certain characters. But with the Disney acquisition it totally changed the game and created some hostilities. Disney wants all these rights back if it were somehow possible. Im sure the first thing Disney did was have those lawyers look over every loophole possible in these contracts. FOX has a lot more elements Disney wants than Sony.

I remember reading an article shortly after the acquisition that the one Marvel property Disney wanted more than any other was the Fantastic Four - especially considering it was a superhero family - and that their lawyers were poring over the contracts to figure out a way to make it happen. I remember getting excited by that prospect especially after witnessing The Incredibles take the Foxtastic Four to school to the point of embarrassment.

Who knows what went on behind closed doors but I'm both surprised and disappointed that with all their clout Disney was never able to make it happen. I'm glad we have the success of the Guardians of the Galaxy as a consolation prize and it was obviously the right call to invest in the properties they have rather than bend to Fox's extortion methods but as an FF fan ever since I was 5 years old it's bittersweet.

And I just love Galactus. Knowing he will never be done justice also wrankles. Unless you count Silver Surfer flying around him with a hand held cam.

 

[Kirmit]

I'm tempted by The Fantastic Four just because I want to see Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus done right.

 

[3dman27]

Fantastic Four is a must. FOX can keep Xmen. Just bring the four back pronto.

that and spidey

 

[Cooty_Cat]

that and spidey

Nope, let them keep Spidey. Thanks to X-men and Spiderman being with other studios we get a greater variety of heroes at the MCU. But I think Marvel really needs FF. The Four have participated in alot of Marvel events and I would love to see Reed and Richards go at it.

 

[OnTheAir]

Is the question whether Marvel needs one of these properties to help build their Cinematic Universe? Or is it whether these properties are in need of what Marvel Studios brings to the table in order to produce a quality film?

Either way, "need" is a strong term. Marvel Studios certainly doesn't "need" any of those characters. Clearly, they are doing just fine with what they have, and they have barely begun to tap into the stable of characters at their disposal.

Do the X-Men "need" Marvel Studios? After three generally well-received X-films in a row, Fox seems to have the franchise trending in the right direction.

Does Spider Man "need" Marvel Studios? ASM 2 had its moments, but most seemed to be disappointed. That follows a fairly well-received Amazing Spider Man, which was a bounce back from the putrid Spider Man 3. Yet, Sony produced what many consider to be one of the best comic book movies ever with Spider Man 2, so they are certainly capable of producing a quality Spidey film.

Which brings us to Fantastic Four. It's kind of hard to say, since we haven't seen the new film yet. But, we know the history of the Fantastic Four on film, and we all have our opinions of what direction Fox seems to be taking the property. Of the three properties, it would appear that the FF "needs" Marvel Studios the most, just judging by history. But, the reboot could surprise us and surpass all of our expectations.

Ignoring "need" and going strictly with "want," I would like to have Spider Man back home. He's Marvel's signature character, and I think Marvel Studio's knack for blending action and humor would suit the Wall-Crawler perfectly.

The fan in me would also like to see the Fantastic Four at Marvel Studios. Not only do I want to see an MCU version of Dr. Doom, but I'd also love to see a scene with the Science Bros, Reed and Pym talking way above everyone's head. (Throw in Selvig too)

The X-Men are fine where they are at Fox. There are so many mutants and characters directly related to the X-Men: the X-Men themselves, X-Factor, X-Force, the New Mutants, the Morlocks, the Acolytes, the Brotherhood, Excaibur, (Alpha Flight?), etc. They are a cinematic universe unto themselves. While I would like to see Storm (not Halle Berry's version) in a Black Panther film, the character is better served where she is.

 

[Sexy Magician]

I agree the word need is a strong one and technically speaking none of them need each other at all, there is no genuine reason that a good FF, X-Men or Spider-Man movie cant be made outside the MCU, although I am yet to see it with the exception of a couple of X-Men movies and Spider-Man 2, and I have absolutely zero hope in the upcoming FF, for all I know it could be a good movie, but by what I'm hearing, it's not gonna be an FF movie anybody wants to see.

Personally I would have everyone back at Marvel, the MCU just has a knack of producing good movies, with the odd hiccup like Thor 2 or IM3, but then again having heavy hitters like the 3 in question would most likely mean we wouldn't have a movie like Guardians, which I loved. It's a tough question, with valid points on either side, but deep down, I can't deny the fanboy in me wanting to see everyone on screen together.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Fantastic Four because of their amazing villains. Im not sure why Fox is even trying with FF anymore, the movie is gonna flop hard! Nobody is interested in that and they will just lose money.

But honestly Spiderman is my favorite superhero, the reboot completely destroyed his reputation and popularity. I want Spidey with Marvel.

 

[flickchick85]

I think all of them can stay where they are. None of them "need" to come back, imo.

That said, while I don't care about the F4 at all, I DO have interest in their supporting arsenal. Doom, Silver Surfer and Galactus would be nice to have in the MCU.

And Spidey? Well, I'm fine with him being at Sony (I actually like the Garfield/Webb take on the character even though TASM2 was a narrative mess), and pretty much the only reason I'd want to see him in the MCU would be to see him interact and Cap and Stark. Or to see him done as an expensive Netflix series. But outside of those 2 possibilities I haven't had this burning desire to see him join this universe.

And I have no desire to see the X-Men in the MCU. I don't particularly like it when they mingle with the Avengers in the comics (and I don't care for Wolverine being on the Avengers either) so I don't need to see it here. They can stay where they are in their own little mutant-verse.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Is the question whether Marvel needs one of these properties to help build their Cinematic Universe? Or is it whether these properties are in need of what Marvel Studios brings to the table in order to produce a quality film?

Either way, "need" is a strong term. Marvel Studios certainly doesn't "need" any of those characters. Clearly, they are doing just fine with what they have, and they have barely begun to tap into the stable of characters at their disposal.

Do the X-Men "need" Marvel Studios? After three generally well-received X-films in a row, Fox seems to have the franchise trending in the right direction.

Does Spider Man "need" Marvel Studios? ASM 2 had its moments, but most seemed to be disappointed. That follows a fairly well-received Amazing Spider Man, which was a bounce back from the putrid Spider Man 3. Yet, Sony produced what many consider to be one of the best comic book movies ever with Spider Man 2, so they are certainly capable of producing a quality Spidey film.

Which brings us to Fantastic Four. It's kind of hard to say, since we haven't seen the new film yet. But, we know the history of the Fantastic Four on film, and we all have our opinions of what direction Fox seems to be taking the property. Of the three properties, it would appear that the FF "needs" Marvel Studios the most, just judging by history. But, the reboot could surprise us and surpass all of our expectations.

Ignoring "need" and going strictly with "want," I would like to have Spider Man back home. He's Marvel's signature character, and I think Marvel Studio's knack for blending action and humor would suit the Wall-Crawler perfectly.

The fan in me would also like to see the Fantastic Four at Marvel Studios. Not only do I want to see an MCU version of Dr. Doom, but I'd also love to see a scene with the Science Bros, Reed and Pym talking way above everyone's head. (Throw in Selvig too)

The X-Men are fine where they are at Fox. There are so many mutants and characters directly related to the X-Men: the X-Men themselves, X-Factor, X-Force, the New Mutants, the Morlocks, the Acolytes, the Brotherhood, Excaibur, (Alpha Flight?), etc. They are a cinematic universe unto themselves. While I would like to see Storm (not Halle Berry's version) in a Black Panther film, the character is better served where she is.

Basically, I meant "need" as in "Who do you strongly want in the MCU".

 

[Sexy Magician]

Basically, I meant "need" as in "Who do you strongly want in the MCU".

Haha, that word 'need' caused controversy in here.

 

[DrCosmic]

Wow you're really quite passionate on the subject.
I never heard that about the Skrulls, last I heard it was somewhat of a grey area, so I can't take you're word for that I'm afraid.

Whilst I agree that it's great a bunch of different and diverse characters are getting the big screen treatment, I can't agree with everything else. Technically none of the above mentioned are 'Needed' in the MCU, you could say GOTG are not needed, heck even say The Hulk isn't needed, they are clearly shaping the movies around the characters they have, like Magneto isn't needed for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, heck an entire race isn't even needed for them, so the word 'need' is redundant I think.

So, needs aside, I think the majority of people would not prefer Ego over Galactus, Count Nefaria over Doom and Magus over Annihilus. There is a reason they are more popular, they are just better characters.

Someone like those characters are needed in the MCU to be critically and commercially successful. A loveable outcast spacefaring group, a monster with a heart of gold. They had what they needed. What is needed for such success is not determined by what fans most prefer. GotG over Captain Marvel. Alexander Pierce over Alexander Lukin. Heat Extremis vs Biotech Extremis. The latter are more popular, but they weren't the best way to tell a fresh story. And I'm not sure Annihilus is actually more popular than Magus/Adam Warlock. He's had like solo comics and face/heel heel/face turns and stuff.

 

[Marvelocity]

I voted X-Men because all of their movies have been horrible, but I didn't think it through. Fantastic Four is way more important in order to get Galactus and Silver Surfer in the mix for the Infinity Gauntlet.

 

[starscream22]

Where's. "ALL OF THE ABOVE"?

Claiming the separation allows more CMB's to release is a "Meh" point for those who don't bother with the non-MCU Marvel films anyway.

Spider-man's getting stale and we have yet to see a real X-men film.
But I'd be happy ignoring both if the Mouse could $omehow get back F4 and shelf this upcoming trainwreck of a reboot before it damages the franchise further.

 

[starscream22]

First, what's Marvel doing with the characters that have returned ? Like Punisher, Ghost Rider, Blade ?

First, did you see their last movies....?

I'd personally tip toe with these. Cameo's and features first. Daredevil was hurt the least and off the map the longest thus is upcoming Netflix show or SHIELD should they get desperate. Who's to say that Punish can't show up in one of those upcoming shows.

The other 2 would fit perfectly in Dr. Strangers world. This way we'd have the Mystical hero's, street level hero's, Cosmic hero's and the Avengers lot.

 

[an_ewok]

Ideally, all of em. Not so Marvel can make more Spider-Man or X-Men movies, but more that they wouldn't have to keep churning em out just to keep the rights.

Only picking one, though, I picked the Fantastic Four. And not even for the actual Four. I don't mind if they don't get their own movie for a long time. But getting back all the ancillary characters with the Four would be great. Galactus, Silver Surfer, Doom, full possession of the Skrulls, Badoon, Watchers, and who knows what else. So much stuff is tied up there that could be used in Guardians or Inhumans or Nova movies.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Seems many don't give a **** about the Fantastic Four they just want the villains to be used with other franchises

Edit: Will a mod please amend the poll to include 'none of the above'. Thank you

Ideally, all of em. Not so Marvel can make more Spider-Man or X-Men movies, but more that they wouldn't have to keep churning em out just to keep the rights.

Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You don't want them in the MCU but you don't want them elsewhere.

 

[an_ewok]

Seems many don't give a **** about the Fantastic Four they just want the villains to be used with other franchises

Edit: Will a mod please amend the poll to include 'none of the above'. Thank you



Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You don't want them in the MCU but you don't want them elsewhere.

It's not that I don't want them in the MCU (though Im glad they arent. We wouldn't have gotten GotG if Marvel had the FF.) I mostly don't want movies being made with the sole purpose of keeping the rights. That's how we end up with Spider-Man being run so far into the ground that he's making less than Thor 2 at home or Captain America world wide.

 

[Katsuro]

I don't really care for a new Fantastic Four movie at all, but I'd like to see them and their associated characters popping up in the larger Marvel world. It's not the end of the world without them, but still, it'd be pretty cool if they were available for use in certain stories.

 

[Raiden]

Although I think Fox is doing better with the X-Men franchise now, I wish that someday the X-Men from the comics will be better represented on the big screen, and for that to happen Marvel Studios must get the rights back from Fox. Unfortunately, that will probably never happen since Marvel gave Fox a way to keep the rights indefinitely if they keep making them, so I may never see a Marvel Studios X-Men movie in my lifetime.

 

[Dasher10]

Spider-Man. Sony hasn't made a good film in a decade and if Marvel got the rights back, they could do a Netflix show since he's a street-level hero. That means that Spider-Man wouldn't junk up the film release dates.

Also, GOTG, Captain Marvel and Inhumans (along with an Eternals film if it ever gets made) don't need the FF supporting cast as much as they need the X-Men's. Annihilus may be use for Annihilation but the what Marvel needs more are the Shi'Ar to do Galactic Storm and War of Kings and Fox may also own the Brood - who are important to Captain Marvel - since they're related to the X-Men.

That said, the X-Men still shouldn't revert because Marvel Studios would collapse under too much IP to tap into with X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force and New Mutants (possibly also Captain Britain) which is way too much IP and may move Marvel Studios Phase 4 which is looking likely to be four films a year, to have to start producing five a year + X-Factor and New Mutants TV shows. That's way too much IP for one studio alone to handle.

And I haven't seen a trailer for the Fantastic Four reboot so I can't judge it. There's all this negativity for something that nobody's seen yet when honestly if you have nothing to base an opinion on, then you have nothing to criticize.

tl;dr, Marvel wouldn't get much out of the FF rights reverting and we wouldn't be able to see an FF film until 2020. Spider-Man on the other hand would actually work as a TV show and Sony has done the worst job with the property that they possibly could.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think anyone NEEDS to come back home especially Marvel is doing very well with their live-action properties. I would like to see Spider-Man work with the Avengers but that won't happen anytime soon. X-Men should stay with Fox. If the new Fantastic Four sucked, well it should have reverted to Marvel along time ago but at the same time, its okay for me that Fantastic Four is not with Marvel since it gives the opportunity for Marvel to create movies for their lesser known characters. I personally can't wait for Doctor Strange and I hope there's a new Ms. Marvel movie soon!

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Claiming the separation allows more CMB's to release is a "Meh" point for those who don't bother with the non-MCU Marvel films anyway.

Fortunately there are few such ridiculously bias people

I voted X-Men because all of their movies have been horrible, but I didn't think it through. Fantastic Four is way more important in order to get Galactus and Silver Surfer in the mix for the Infinity Gauntlet.

I haven't seen a trailer for the Fantastic Four reboot so I can't judge it. There's all this negativity for something that nobody's seen yet when honestly if you have nothing to base an opinion on, then you have nothing to criticize.

It's not that I don't want them in the MCU (though Im glad they arent. We wouldn't have gotten GotG if Marvel had the FF.) I mostly don't want movies being made with the sole purpose of keeping the rights. That's how we end up with Spider-Man being run so far into the ground that he's making less than Thor 2 at home or Captain America world wide.

But that's also how we end up with X-Men Days of Future Past, Spider-Man 2, Blade, X2...

Why they make movies is of no matter all that matters is the quality

Spider-Man. Sony hasn't made a good film in a decade

Disagreed

 

[The Endless]

I'd love to see Tony Stark flying over to the Baxter Building for a nerdy discussion with Reed Richards. Ben Grimm's famous poker games over at Avengers Tower.

 

[Rorschach2012]

they all belong at Marvel