Who owns the rights to Alpha Flight, Excalibur and Starjammers?

[KangConquers]

If that's the case, then the reason why Marvel can use Ronan who debuted in Fantastic Four, appeared in multiple Fantastic Four cartoons and is seen as a FF villain in GOTG is probably because he's considered to also be part of the GOTG brand as well.

Either that or Marvel and Fox decided to trade the rights to Ronan and Viper as the latter is more of a Captain America villain than anything else.

At the same time, I'm hoping it's the former. This would lead to Marvel being capable of giving themselves a reason to develop GOTG and Ms. Marvel so that they can leach off of Fox's properties. This way, Marvel can claim that some of the Skrulls like Hulkling and Jazinda are technically part of the Hulk rights but Fox can still use Lyja and Super-Skrull as they're related to the Fantastic Four.

When it comes to the Kree, I think that Ronan is a shared character but the rest of the Kree are part of the GOTG, Ms. Marvel and Inhumans rights.

The Shi'Ar are a bit iffier. My best guess is that Lilandra, Erik The Red, D'Ken and Gladiator belong to Fox since they're almost exclusively tied to the X-Men. Korvus and Vulcan will probably be shared since they're just as related to GOTG and Deathbird is also tied to Ms. Marvel so she's probably also shared. Nova Prime definitely belongs to Marvel.

The Spartoi are too tied to Star-Lord so they're off-limits to Fox, same with the Badoon, Inhumans, Builders, Chitauri, Rigelians and Eternals.

I'm not sure if the Brood are shared since they're tied to both Ms. Marvel as well as the X-Men.

Fox probably has exclusive rights to the Zenn-Lavians, anything from the Negative Zone, Birjans, Technarchy, Watchers and the Phalanx.

The celestials have a connection to Apocalypse but I doubt that Fox can use them so while I'm admitting that I'm may be wrong, I think that they're exclusive to Marvel.

Finally, Sony owns the Symbiotes.

Can anyone provide a source that says otherwise to any of this?

One thing that kind of stinks is that the F4 contract was drawn up before Annihilation. If it had been done after, the Negative Zone might have been a shared entity, or a Marvel exclusive one.

 

[Dasher10]

One thing that kind of stinks is that the F4 contract was drawn up before Annihilation. If it had been done after, the Negative Zone might have been a shared entity, or a Marvel exclusive one.

Yeah, but that's doubtful. Annhilation led into Annihilation: Conquest which is where the Guardians formed. It's one arc and it's a prelude to the origin story. Outside of that one event, the only times the Negative Zone has appeared were in the pages of Fantastic Four.

And when you consider that Marvel and Fox each get about half the Cosmic Universe, that can be a blessing since it means that there won't be too much overlap between characters. This is considering that the Fantastic Four reboot doesn't bomb, in which case, Fox will probably sell the rights back and we'll never see a Secret Wars film with the X-Men and FF teaming up.

 

[roach]

It's not about where the character started or ended. It's about where the character is associated. Rogue first appeared in Avengers and spent most of her early career fighting Dazzler. Yet she is more closely associated with the X-men.

 

[Dr Tactics]

It's not about where the character started or ended. It's about where the character is associated. Rogue first appeared in Avengers and spent most of her early career fighting Dazzler. Yet she is more closely associated with the X-men.

Really its about what characters were sold in the packages. Everybody else is in that Grey Area IMO

 

[Dasher10]

Really its about what characters were sold in the packages. Everybody else is in that Grey Area IMO

Tell me about it. Viper in Wolverine, Ronan in GOTG and now the fight over Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch proves that there is a massive grey area.

I'm waiting to see what happens to the Skrulls and Shi'Ar with GOTG and FF. This will be interesting.

 

[roach]

Tell me about it. Viper in Wolverine, Ronan in GOTG and now the fight over Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch proves that there is a massive grey area.

I'm waiting to see what happens to the Skrulls and Shi'Ar with GOTG and FF. This will be interesting.

there is a grey area because the contracts don't list characters. If they did Feige would be able to tell who is where...whenever he is asked he is not certain.

The other thing people have to realize is that Fox and Marvel are not rivals. They are business partners. So if they wanted to use Viper in The Wolverine they could make arrangements. It's how Spider-man almost had a cameo in Avengers and Avengers tower almost made it in Amazing Spider-man.

 

[Dasher10]

there is a grey area because the contracts don't list characters. If they did Feige would be able to tell who is where...whenever he is asked he is not certain.

The other thing people have to realize is that Fox and Marvel are not rivals. They are business partners. So if they wanted to use Viper in The Wolverine they could make arrangements. It's how Spider-man almost had a cameo in Avengers and Avengers tower almost made it in Amazing Spider-man.

I know. This means that there's hope for Omega Red in a Black Widow film and Medusa in a Fantastic Four movie.

 

[Zarex]

there is a grey area because the contracts don't list characters. If they did Feige would be able to tell who is where...whenever he is asked he is not certain.

The other thing people have to realize is that Fox and Marvel are not rivals. They are business partners. So if they wanted to use Viper in The Wolverine they could make arrangements. It's how Spider-man almost had a cameo in Avengers and Avengers tower almost made it in Amazing Spider-man.

If FOX and Marvel were business partners, mutants would be featured on Disney XD cartoons and Agents of SHIELD, tie-in merchandise would have have been featured in stores with the releases of XM:FC and TW, Marvel would be able to use Galactus and The Silver Surfer in their cosmic films, FOX would be prepping their Daredevil film for release and we wouldn't be getting dueling Quicksilvers at the box office. They're rivals.

 

[roach]

This shows a lack of understanding of how Hollywood works and is full of fanboy reasonings.

 

[Zarex]

This shows a lack of understanding of how Hollywood works and is full of fanboy reasonings.

It's certainly easier to type "fanboy", and amusing coming from someone with nearly 30 thousand posts, than to provide any example of FOX and Marvel working in concert for each studio's mutual benefit.

 

[roach]

I typed that because nothing you said was based on fact and based on conjecture and "hate for Fox".
Mutants have made appearances on the Disney XD cartoons:
Ultimate Spider-Man
Season One
Toad and Whirlwind appear in Episode 3
Wolverine, Sabretooth and Mesmero appear in Episode 10
Whirlwind appears in episode 12
Juggernaut appears in episode 14
Season 2
Mesmero appear in episode 14
Deadpool appears in episode 15
Arcade appears in episode 20
Hulk and Agents of Smash
Wolverine appears in episode 4

So there goes the theory that they don't appear in the Disney Cartoons. As for why they don't appear in Agents of Shield...hell a lot doesn't appear in AOS.
The fact remains that they are partners in this endeavor. However partners that have to follow the dictates of a contract. If Fox wanted to keep the Daredevil rights they could have purchased an extension. If Marvel and Fox were dueling over Quicksilver the courts would be deciding who is in the wrong. Funny how most people think this was to screw over Marvel even though there is no evidence to the contrary. Trust me if someone was doing something that was wrong the lawyers would be involved. Recently Marvel sent a cease and desist to a Punisher fan film...if they are willing to go to the lawyers over a fan film why wouldn't they over a 'rival' studio?

 

[Zarex]

I typed that because nothing you said was based on fact and based on conjecture and "hate for Fox".
Mutants have made appearances on the Disney XD cartoons:
Ultimate Spider-Man
Season One
Toad and Whirlwind appear in Episode 3
Wolverine, Sabretooth and Mesmero appear in Episode 10
Whirlwind appears in episode 12
Juggernaut appears in episode 14
Season 2
Mesmero appear in episode 14
Deadpool appears in episode 15
Arcade appears in episode 20
Hulk and Agents of Smash
Wolverine appears in episode 4

So there goes the theory that they don't appear in the Disney Cartoons. As for why they don't appear in Agents of Shield...hell a lot doesn't appear in AOS.
The fact remains that they are partners in this endeavor. However partners that have to follow the dictates of a contract. If Fox wanted to keep the Daredevil rights they could have purchased an extension. If Marvel and Fox were dueling over Quicksilver the courts would be deciding who is in the wrong. Funny how most people think this was to screw over Marvel even though there is no evidence to the contrary. Trust me if someone was doing something that was wrong the lawyers would be involved. Recently Marvel sent a cease and desist to a Punisher fan film...if they are willing to go to the lawyers over a fan film why wouldn't they over a 'rival' studio?

I used the word "featured" in describing the role of mutants on Disney XD. As you've meticulously catalogued, Wolverine is the only member of X-Men proper to be featured on the Disney cartoons. I don't consider the studios rivals out of an underlying hatred of FOX (though I do hate the proposed FF reboot). Its due to the fact that, post Disney buyout, the two studios have not worked in concert to strengthen their respective franchises. This is not the case with Sony, which came to an agreement with Disney/Marvel on film tie in merchandise rights and came close to subtley linking their franchises. Marvel and Sony are partners. Marvel and FOX are rivals.

 

[metaphysician]

Also, mutants appear on the cartoons because Fox doesn't *have* any involvement in cartoons. There is no ambiguity or cooperation, as Disney owns the animated rights outright.

 

[roach]

Its due to the fact that, post Disney buyout, the two studios have not worked in concert to strengthen their respective franchises. This is not the case with Sony, which came to an agreement with Disney/Marvel on film tie in merchandise rights and came close to subtley linking their franchises. Marvel and Sony are partners. Marvel and FOX are rivals.

Don't take my word for it:

http://screenrant.com/x-men-avengers-2-movie-crossover/

Lauren Shuler Donner, Producer of the X-men movies:
“I would love it. I would love it. I personally have close ties to Marvel because of Kevin Feige, because Kevin worked for me. But to take our characters and mingle them in the way that they were written, yeah, absolutely.”

That doesn't sound like rivals.

http://x-menfilms.com/2013/09/10/hugh-jackman-almost-filmed-a-wolverine-cameo-for-2002s-spider-man/

In the first “Spider-Man” — Kevin Feige reminded me of this — we really tried to get me to come on and do something, whether it was a gag or just to walk through the shot or something. The problem was, we couldn’t find the suit. The suit was stuck in some thing. And so when they were in New York when I was there, we couldn’t get it together. So, you know, I actually asked some high level people about it. Because the optimist in me goes, “Why not? Why can’t we do it? You know, a split cast or whatever?” And someone reminded that the amount of money Fox paid compared to the amount of money Disney paid is very different [laughs]. So how you split that pie up? God knows. But in the comic books, what’s great about it is they’re just mashing together all the time — and it’s awesome. And people are like, “Yeah, well, let’s get this one with that!” And, you know, I still think, one day, there may be an ability to do it.”

Feige tried to get a Wolverine cameo in Spider-man. Doesn't sound like a rival.

This one is from a site we aren't allowed to link to:
Kevin Feige:
"You know, we have a certain amount of involvement in those, but not an enormous amount. I’ve heard them talk about wanting to do that, but the only one I actively know about is X-Men: Days of Future Past, which is more about combining the X-Men franchises in a way that sounds unbelievably cool. Particularly those first two, which is where I sort of cut my teeth on beginning to develop and produce these films. The fact that Bryan is going back to it, I think they’re on to something with the new X-Men movie, and crossing those two franchises together, X-Men: First Class and the originals. And using one of the best comic stories ever. But whatever else they’ll do with Fantastic Four and the others, we’ll see.”

Does that sound like a rival?

Feige again:
"Well, look, clearly we would prefer everything be at home, so to speak. But all the contracts are different. Some of them have very firm reversion dates, and some of them we don’t expect to get back any time soon, let’s put it that way. We’re fine with that,” Feige said. “We have a great relationship with Sony and Fox. Would we like to have them all back? Sure. But we are more than comfortable with the way things stand now, because it worked out pretty well, right?”

 

[Zarex]

Given what we know of the original "in perpetuity" deal between Marvel and FOX, Disney is making a pittance on their X-Men IP rights. It would be in the Mouse's best interests for the rights to revert. Studio Executives may be saying all the right things, but I see no indication that FOX and Marvel are working together. I consider that relationship to be much more that of rival than business partner.

 

[roach]

Given what we know of the original "in perpetuity" deal between Marvel and FOX, Disney is making a pittance on their X-Men IP rights. It would be in the Mouse's best interests for the rights to revert. Studio Executives may be saying all the right things, but I see no indication that FOX and Marvel are working together. I consider that relationship to be much more that of rival than business partner.

and this is the action phrase. Because you don't see it or you think you don't see it it doesn't exist. Have you been to Marvel Studios? Have you been to Fox Studios? Have you sat in on Marvel/Fox meetings? So really you are in no position to offer an opinion on a relationship because you haven't seen it in action. You are making an assumption.

 

[Zarex]

and this is the action phrase. Because you don't see it or you think you don't see it it doesn't exist. Have you been to Marvel Studios? Have you been to Fox Studios? Have you sat in on Marvel/Fox meetings? So really you are in no position to offer an opinion on a relationship because you haven't seen it in action. You are making an assumption.

Agreed. As is your statement that they are business partners.

 

[roach]

Agreed. As is your statement that they are business partners.

Im not making an assumption. I work in Hollywood and I have a friend who works at Fox.

 

[Dasher10]

Im not making an assumption. I work in Hollywood and I have a friend who works at Fox.

Then sir, I have two questions for you.

Do Marvel, Sony, Warner and Fox actually read these forums?

Also, what's the possibility of Fox using Sinister, Apocalypse, Cameron Hodge, Selene, Stryfe, Emplate, Donald Pierce, Bastion or Omega Red in X-Force or X5? Magneto is kind of played out as the main villain.