Batman Begins Who were those inmates?

[Jiu Jitsuero]

Hey everyone,

Ive been wondering this for a long time and never quite knew an answer. But in Batman Begins, as Batman is running through Arkham the camera quickly shows two inmates looking at Batman through their cells. One is a little taller and skinnier looking with longer hair, the other is shorter more round looking. I've always assumed these guys to be Joker and Penguin, any ideas

 

[GothamAlleys]

Theres nothing to indicate theyre Joker or Penguin. In fact, they cant be. The fingerprints dont match any records in TDK, if Joker wouldve been an Arkham inmate before, they would have something on him and would certainly identify him. Theres also many more elements that would deny that thesis. Theres nothing to indicate Penguin is one of them. Penguin is an older, chubby crime boss, and he was not mentally insane so would not be in Arkham (even tho he was actually depicted as Arkham inmate in many comic books)

The two guys were simply just a comic relief for the line "excuse me"

 

[Anno_Domini]

They were just two regular inmates.

I swear, some people try to over think things.

 

[ALP]

They could have been Man-Bat and the Ventriloquist

 

[Anno_Domini]

No....they're Clayface and Mad Hatter obviously

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Theres nothing to indicate theyre Joker or Penguin. In fact, they cant be. The fingerprints dont match any records in TDK, if Joker wouldve been an Arkham inmate before, they would have something on him and would certainly identify him. Theres also many more elements that would deny that thesis. Theres nothing to indicate Penguin is one of them. Penguin is an older, chubby crime boss, and he was not mentally insane so would not be in Arkham (even tho he was actually depicted as Arkham inmate in many comic books)

The two guys were simply just a comic relief for the line "excuse me"

I don't think he's talking about the two guys whose cell Batman breaks in to, rather the two looking out into the hallway as Batman runs past.

Also, consider that Falcone got himself transferred there by feigning a suicide attempt. I'm not saying it was the Penguin but there's no reason a sane criminal couldn't end up in an insane asylum.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I don't think he's talking about the two guys who's cell Batman breaks in to, rather the two looking out the windows as Batman runs past.

Also, consider that Falcone got himself transferred there by feigning a suicide attempt. I'm not saying it was the Penguin but there's no reason a sane criminal couldn't end up in an insane asylum.

No...he was only transferred because Crane used his drug on him. A regular doctor wouldn't have even transferred Falcone.

 

[TylerHaslett]

 

[El Payaso]

They were said to be Statler and Waldorf.

 

[TylerHaslett]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjBxLfii3B0

 

[TylerHaslett]

could be a joker placeholder, and he erased his prints like John Doe in Se7en...

 

[TylerHaslett]

look how transfixed he is by batman...
not mention, Joker is mentioned by "calling card" at the end...

great thread, i've always wondered that as well

 

[Anno_Domini]

This thread is very disappointing.

 

[TylerHaslett]

This thread is very disappointing.

try and up your post count elsewhere then. why comment?

 

[Jiu Jitsuero]

This thread is very disappointing.

Sorry if my thread is beneath you, its just something that I've always wondered about. And besides if you're so disappointed by it, why bother posting.

 

[Anno_Domini]

try and up your post count elsewhere then. why comment?

That would be something you'd say if I had a low number and trying to build it up, but nice try though

Sorry if my thread is beneath you, its just something that I've always wondered about. And besides if you're so disappointed by it, why bother posting.

Lol. It's not that this thread is "beneath me", but as I said, they were just inmates and people are ACTUALLY believing the OP from you that there is significance to those inmates. There isn't. Just regular inmates and showing that the rooms aren't just empty that Batman is passing by.

 

[The Joker]

I doubt Nolan's version of the Penguin would qualify as insane. I think Nolan would go for a sane but ruthless version of Penguin.

Gotham Alley's nailed the point about the Joker. Gordon said in TDK when they caught Joker that there was no matches via his fingerprints and dental work. If Joker had a previous record of incarceration in Arkham or anywhere else, it would have been on file.

 

[ALP]

Given Nolan's grounded take on Gotham that features partial courts and a justice system, absolutely none of Batman's rogues would fit into Arkham.

In the comics, it can be exaggerated, but I've always sorta had problems with Arkham being a place for "The criminally insane" and then putting people like Riddler and Penguin in there. To properly fit Batman's rogues, the subtitle should be changed to "For the criminally deranged."

As an insane asylum, Ledger's Joker doesn't belong anywhere near Arkham. He was a master manipulator who knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[The Joker]

As an insane asylum, Ledger's Joker doesn't belong anywhere near Arkham. He was a master manipulator who knew exactly what he was doing.

Most of Batman's insane villains do know exactly what they're doing. They just believe they are justified in doing it, or it all makes sense to do it. Hannibal Lecter was extremely intelligent and a psychiatrist himself, seemed as rational as the next person, he just had a knack for eating people. It was not unrealistic that he ended up in an asylum.

Ledger's Joker stole millions and then burned it. Carved smiles, left Joker cards, and put clown make up on his victim's faces. Broadcast torture videos on TV. Dressed in a purple suit, clown make up, and had a cut smile that may have been self inflicted. Played deadly psychological mind games for no rational reason other than to prove some crazy point that the world was as ugly as him. Obsessed with Batman just because he found him too much fun. Kills his own henchmen for no reason during a bank robbery.

Ledger's Joker was as crazy as they come. Batman saying he would be in a padded cell forever was exactly where he would end up.

 

[ALP]

So you believe Ledger's Joker was found not guilty on every count that was brought against him following his capture?

 

[The Joker]

By reason of insanity, yes. They were constantly referring to him as a crazy during the movie.

"Two bit whack job who wears a cheap purple suit and make up"
"You're crazy"
"One day the Batman will answer for the laws he's broken, but to us not to this mad man"
"I let that murdering psychopath blow him half to hell"
"I brought him down to our level. It wasn't hard. Madness as you know is like gravity"

Clearly sending the point home that Joker was nuts.

 

[ALP]

See, none of that fits the legal definition of insanity. The thing is, I'm talking about a real world basis. The rules are stretched in movies with fictional courts and justice systems, so I understand if cinematic or comic book Joker goes to an Asylum, but that's not quite how it would work in the real world.

 

[TylerHaslett]

That would be something you'd say if I had a low number and trying to build it up, but nice try though



Lol. It's not that this thread is "beneath me", but as I said, they were just inmates and people are ACTUALLY believing the OP from you that there is significance to those inmates. There isn't. Just regular inmates and showing that the rooms aren't just empty that Batman is passing by.

ignore listed for irrelevant argument inducing remarks (everyone should do this same with this person, life is too short for nerd net bullying, son)

 

[TylerHaslett]

By reason of insanity, yes. They were constantly referring to him as a crazy during the movie.

"Two bit whack job who wears a cheap purple suit and make up"
"You're crazy"
"One day the Batman will answer for the laws he's broken, but to us not to this mad man"
"I let that murdering psychopath blow him half to hell"
"I brought him down to our level. It wasn't hard. Madness as you know is like gravity"

Clearly sending the point home that Joker was nuts.

 

[Anno_Domini]

ignore listed for irrelevant argument inducing remarks (everyone should do this same with this person, life is too short for nerd net bullying, son)

Just get over yourself.