Why Can't DC Get it right?

[ChickenScratch]

Because people like to complain. I don't really see what DC has gotten so wrong that Marvel's gotten right. If you take it on a film by film basis then Marvel characters seem to fare way worse on screen. Captain America, Man Thing, Daredevil, Electra, Fantastic Four, one could go on but I won't because films are works of art in and of themselves and should be looked at on their individual merits rather than being lumped together. T here are good and bad from both companies stables but people seem to gravitate to the failures.

 

[san15]

Both DC and Marvel never made a successful female comic book movie

Wasn't Wasp part of the Avengers? Why can't marvel make a movie about her?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

This thread is laughably bad

Also, why do fanboys have this pathologicial need to bash DC just because they're not pathetically ripping off of Marvel? Especially when the marvel approach actually hasnt...I dunno....SUCEEDED yet?

Why do DC fanboys have the pathological need to defend DC to the hilt... even though DC haven't got the balls to make films about more of their characters and they have not produced as many good films?

And I know you'll bring up Constatine and V. But don't. They are no more DC films than Kick Ass is a Marvel film. And Kick Ass isn't a Marvel film.

DC have had... 5 good movies in their entire history. 3 of which are Batman films.

Marvel have had Spider-Man 1 and 2, Blade 1 and 2, X-Men 1 and 2, Iron Man and you can maybe say The Incredible Hulk.

Then if you really want to be a stickler and include V, The Losers and Constantine, you'd have to include Kick Ass.

So yea, Marvel is 9. DC is 6.

And let's not forgot Marvel saving the superhero genre from the doldrums after DC ****ed it up the ass.

And Crook. The majority of people criticising IM 2 for the Avengers references (and there is like, only 2 in the whole ****ing movie BTW) are people who didn't like the idea of it before they saw the movie, and DC fans. So they shouldn't be paid attention to as far as i'm concerned because they have an in built bias towards the idea from the get go.

I'm not a Marvel fan boy, i'm just stating the facts. I WANT DC to succeed. I love Superman, i want a good Superman movie for the modern era. Not a $200 million snoozefest.

I love Flash. I love the Green Lantern mythos, despite thinking Hal Boredom is one of the most uninteresting and overrated comic book characters in history, but that's a different matter. I'm sure Reynolds will give him some charisma and a personality. I think Wonder Woman would make for a great film. I'd love to see Lobo on the big screen. Imagine a Martian Manhunter movie?! It'd be ****ing awesome!

I love plenty of DC characters and i want them to succeed. But DC doesn't give a **** about anyone else than Batman and Superman. And it is annoying.

And you guys as obvious DC fans should want more. I mean, be honest with yourselves, there has only been 2 truly great DC movies in the last 10 years and both of them have been Batman films.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Marvel definitley has bigger balls than DC, that much is true

 

[spider-neil]

ha ha
hal boredom, so true, so true t:

 

[spider-neil]

I think in general marvel characters are more relateable with bigger flaws which makes them easier to write. when you look at batman he is flawed and therefore easier to write as well.

spider-man - severe guilt over the death of his uncle
x-men - prejudice from the humans
hulk - dichotomy of hero's personality
iron man - genius but flawed

the stories practically write themselves

contrast with say

superman - godlike powers - city love him
wonder woman - godlike powers - city loves her
GL - godlike powers - city loves him
batman - genuis but flawed - outcast
flash - godlike powers - there's a museum dedicated to him for petes sake

if I were a writer or a director I know which DC character I'd want to direct

 

[batlovescatDC]

This thread is laughably bad

Also, why do fanboys have this pathologicial need to bash DC just because they're not pathetically ripping off of Marvel? Especially when the marvel approach actually hasnt...I dunno....SUCEEDED yet?

couldn't agree with you more, my friend.

 

[dark_b]

first we need to realize that Marvel is now its own studio . right? WB 1 or 2 years ago was just the studio that got all the DC characters. noone from DC worked at WB . is this how it was?
second we need to realize that Mavel until april 25 realesed only 2 movies. one was a hit ,the second was not a bomb but it wont get a sequel. ohhhhh it underperformed thats what i wanted to writte he he he he .
so right now Marvel only has one hit character. and this is Iron man. we dont know if Thor and CA will even click with the masses.

and something that the comicbook fans dont want to hear and read. big budget blockbuster movies are made for the money. and money is with the general public. the masses. the only reason comicbook movies are made are for the.........................masses. if you at the same time get a movie that is faithfull and good then this is your luck.

obvious WB didnt need all their DC characters. i guess they had enough blockbustr franchises.

 

[dark_b]

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[Metamorpho1977]

I wouldn't put the blame squarely on DC's shoulders. Warner Brothers is the reason DC is having trouble getting a good movie made. I think they have a good production team in office now. I would give them some time. Green Lantern will be the opening of the floodgate for good DC films I think.

 

[Heretic]

DC should be following Marvel's plan...but really...it's such an easy and obvious idea that they should have come up with it themselves.

Do the big movies, one per year if you need to. Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman. I wouldnt rip Marvel off with building towards Justice League, but instead, just mention the other films in passing, Wayne Industries stock is higher than LexCorp or whatever on a tv screen...

Then, do smaller budgeted movies with the Vertigo titles and other non superhero books. Marvel is trying this, but they only have superhero books...so they are risking the possibility of watering down the market for their big superhero movies. DC doesnt have this problem, as a Kid Eternity, Sandman, 100 Bullets or Transmetropolitan film would not affect the publics perception of Superman in any way.

 

[Heretic]

DC should be following Marvel's plan...but really...it's such an easy and obvious idea that they should have come up with it themselves.

Do the big movies, one per year if you need to. Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman. I wouldnt rip Marvel off with building towards Justice League, but instead, just mention the other films in passing, Wayne Industries stock is higher than LexCorp or whatever on a tv screen...

Then, do smaller budgeted movies with the Vertigo titles and other non superhero books. Marvel is trying this, but they only have superhero books...so they are risking the possibility of watering down the market for their big superhero movies. DC doesnt have this problem, as a Kid Eternity, Sandman, 100 Bullets or Transmetropolitan film would not affect the publics perception of Superman in any way.

 

[The Batman]

Why do DC fanboys have the pathological need to defend DC to the hilt... even though DC haven't got the balls to make films about more of their characters and they have not produced as many good films?

And I know you'll bring up Constatine and V. But Don--

Don't care, man. Really...I dont care. As long as people keep saying "They Dont count" everytime DC/WB makes something that isnt their favorite hero, these complaints cant be taken seriously. At all.

DC Comics cant even get Wonder Woman or Flash right...yet people expect WB to just make a movie out of thin air, like its easy. They forget that Marvel themselves struggled for years to make the movies they've made. They forget that half of the movies they've distributed are either mediocre or horrible. They forget that the reason Marvel makes so many movies in the first place is because they went bankrupt over ten years ago. They HAD to to stay afloat.

Fanboys also forget that if WB/DC didnt make Superman: The Movie and Batman, there wouldnt BE comic movie industry for marvel to take part in. And anyone who isnt biased will realize that those two movies have influenced EVERY COMIC MOVIE in the past twenty years.

But hey, WB/DC dosent know what their doing, cause they wont make my justice league, flash, wonder woman, and ambush bug flicks when i want them to

 

[Octoberist]

I think everyone wants WB to step up but I don't think a whole lot of fans care about the 'competition' between WB/DC and Marvel (as a whole) really...

 

[Crook]

I think in general marvel characters are more relateable with bigger flaws which makes them easier to write. when you look at batman he is flawed and therefore easier to write as well.

spider-man - severe guilt over the death of his uncle
x-men - prejudice from the humans
hulk - dichotomy of hero's personality
iron man - genius but flawed

the stories practically write themselves

contrast with say

superman - godlike powers - city love him
wonder woman - godlike powers - city loves her
GL - godlike powers - city loves him
batman - genuis but flawed - outcast
flash - godlike powers - there's a museum dedicated to him for petes sake

if I were a writer or a director I know which DC character I'd want to direct

This post would have been accurate like...50 years ago. Seriously, that was one completely biased write-up you provided there. Anyone that has been remotely familiar with the DC world in the past, let's say, 20-30 years, knows its characters have received the "Marvel treatment".

That gods/human dichotomy that separated DC and Marvel for a little while has long been vanquished.

 

[Octoberist]

i agree that this Gods argument with DC is outdated.

 

[Webhead2006]

like i said already for myself all i hope for when/if any comic book character gets lucky to have a big budget film release. That they treat the character faithfully and honnor the comics. Then also it has a good look, plot, and action and all that.

 

[Evil Twin]

Yeah, this "more relatable" argument went out the window long ago. Heck, I'm not sure how much the general public really buys into that anyways. It's very easy to sell spectacle on the movie screen. And neither company has an edge in that matter.

WB could have done better with DC in the past. And we'll see how they do in the future. But, WB has certainly done more and better in live action television and animation. And they've done much more outside the main superhero genre. And they'd have to be freakin' stupid not to go to the well with Batman on a regular basis considering box office receipts. Superman as well.

But, yeah, DC could certainly do more with their second tier superheroes. Green Lantern sounds like a step in the right direction. And it sounds like Flash will get a second live action treatment soon.

But, believe it or not, companies don't make movies. Directors, writers, and actors make movies. WB is, in general, a director driven company and the lack of quality directors that wanted to tackle these projects has a lot to do with the lack of DC superhero movies. What's the last semi-big name director that was attached to a DC superhero project? That's the issue.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope with gl and if its a good sucess it will finally show wb that their 2nd, 3rd, 4th teir dc guys could all have a shot at sucess. For me yea i am more a marvel fan, but i wish for both companies to do well with tv shows(live action/animated) and films.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I think everyone wants WB to step up but I don't think a whole lot of fans care about the 'competition' between WB/DC and Marvel (as a whole) really...

This is exactly my feelings. I don't care about Marvel vs DC. I just want DC to pull their ****ing thumbs out of their asses and do something besides Superman or Batman.

 

[Heretic]

I just want DC to pull their ****ing thumbs out of their asses and do something besides Superman or Batman.

I bet you didn't bother to see The Losers...which would support WB's decision to make more comic movies...

Also, never heard of Jonah Hex or Green Lantern??

The problem isnt whether they will make movies...they clearly are. It's whether the fans will support the movies, giving WB the confidence to throw big money at risky projects like Flash and Wonder Woman.

 

[spider-neil]

for me marvel should be about relateable characters and dc should be about iconic characters. the problem I had with SR is singer tried to make him relateable, he gave him a son, pushed lois into another man's arms and hospitalised him (supes), then he did the real estate scam (again) and brought superman to his knees with krytonite (again). I don't think relateable works for superman he should be an inspiration not a peer.

if I were writing superman I would bring the villians up to superman's level not lower superman down to the level of petty crooks. make him face darkseid (for example) the drama should come from the weight of expectation of the entire planet knowing that if he (superman) fails darkseid will enslave the planet. I wont lie I would rather write a street level hero (spidey, bats, knightwing, daredevil) but if I were given the writing chores of superman, women woman (heroes with godlike powers) I wouldn't frigging water them down, what's the point of that? so lame.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The Losers i'm not interested in. But props to them for making it.

Hex? That production was ****ed, the studio micromanaged more than Tom Rothman. And it will turn out crap.

And yes i know about Green Lantern. But WB/DC have only just had the balls to do a superhero film besides Superman or Batman. Again i give them props for finally, FINALLY doing that.

Why is Flash or Wonder Woman more risky? They're not exactly D list characters are they? In fact i'd think Flash is more popular and more of a pop culture icon than Green Lantern anyway.

I'm just baffled and annoyed that DC has produced 2 good movies in the last decade... whilst Marvel has produced AT LEAST 8. I mean, what the **** is going on here? DC has some great characters that deserve movies. But WB/DC are like "oh no we're scared!".

 

[The Batman]

I bet you didn't bother to see The Losers...which would support WB's decision to make more comic movies...

Also, never heard of Jonah Hex or Green Lantern??

The problem isnt whether they will make movies...they clearly are. It's whether the fans will support the movies, giving WB the confidence to throw big money at risky projects like Flash and Wonder Woman.

I wouldnt even bother, heretic

Thats why these threads are a joke. Its fanbooys wanting to whine for the sake of whining. You tell them that DC IS making more than just Superman and Batman, and they tell you half those movies dont count as "DC" even though they clearly are. And they act like there ISNT a GL movie in development right now...because that would prove that WB in fact DOES care.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Ok DC do make movies other than Superman and Batman... but they are half assed attempts.

The Losers is apparently crap. Constantine was crap. Catwoman was atrocious.

The only movie DC have ever made that is decent outside of Batman or Superman is V for Vendetta.

Those are the facts. And it annoys me. I apologize if i want better.