Why Can't DC Get it right?

[Evil Twin]

I don't think you have to go Resident Evil cheap with WW. How about Hellboy 2 territory? Something along that scope with Elves, the Troll Market, and the Golden Army fight?

 

[Webhead2006]

yea around 90-100mill i think you can do alot with that. Its all about how budgeting is worked out, and how much location vs studio/blue-green screen work you are doing on that. Heck look at what folks can do with small budget films that have blow up to be huge box office sucess and all that. Its just how you use the money and all that.

 

[MadVillainy]

I want to ask you both a straightforward question: why in the world would you try to compare who did worse with bad films? As if that's a barometer of anything?

Am I the only one that finds that notion completely asinine? It's one thing to compare quality, but if it's already a forgone conclusion that a product is garbage...nothing will change it from being so. If a side has to resort to "our films suck, but at least they suck less!", then the discussion has officially ran out of good debaters.

People were saying stuff along the lines of: at least DC doesnt make crappy films over and over like Marvel does and I was saying Marvel may have released more but DC almost killed the whole genre. Just a point.


1) And maybe its just me, but Id prefer DC/WB give it the old college try instead of playing around for a decade with their films. Worse comes to worse(from a fan's perspective) they make a bad movie so what I still have the comics or tv shows. Best case: They make a good movie that renews or starts my interest in the comics

2) Also its not like DC has taken the 3 years (for Wonder Woman) or 2 years for Flash because they were making the projects the best it can be. They taken so much time because they dont know what to do.

3) Maybe its the cynical side of me, but getting a novice director for Flash (was that confirmed) and Goyers/Nolans idea for making Superman leave me unimpressed

 

[Crook]

Your saying that you'd rather take no films over mediocre/bad films and Im saying I would take mediocre/bad films over genre killing films like Catwoman, B&R, etc.

Newsflash, mediocre films add up and WILL kill the genre. Look, I get it, you'd rather get kicked in the balls than be castrated. I'm telling you that I'm looking at that decision as bizarrely self-defeating. There is no gain with either so I'm not sure why you'd even propose it.

People were saying stuff along the lines of: at least DC doesnt make crappy films over and over like Marvel does and I was saying Marvel may have released more but DC almost killed the whole genre. Just a point.

Erm..there WAS no genre. Batman was all there was. Only thing B&R killed was the Batman franchise. Did we just suddenly forget the "comic book age" started a mere 3-4 years after B&R? Wow, if that was a genre-killer, that was some weak damage.

And maybe its just me, but Id prefer DC/WB give it the old college try instead of playing around for a decade with their films. Worse comes to worse(from a fan's perspective) they make a bad movie so what I still have the comics or tv shows. Best case: They make a good movie that renews or starts my interest in the comics

Worse comes to worse you don't have a film franchise to work with anymore, or missed your shot at a great creative team getting their hands on it. The worst case scenario for my choice? We have no film, but the door is left wide open for someone to take a crack at it at any given time.

WB could have rebooted Batman ages ago, but they awaited for their golden egg to surface in the form of Nolan. I don't know if you're familiar with the various pitches people made for the character before Nolan came along, but we dodged a whole flurry of bullets. Greed and impatience would have netted us another mediocre series, and TDK would have never been made.

 

[jmc]

Yeah, I don't get the self-defeating attitude, I mean don't people want good interpretations? Don't we want to sit back and watch in amazement something that is totally unique and awesome? Why risk killing off a potentially good franchise? So we can simply say we've got a live action version of a certain character? I really don't get it.

 

[Oddzball]

I think its because DC doesnt have a plan... Marvel does and is interlinking their movies. Risky?...yes...cool? Eff yeah. WB never had to deal with several different studios...they always had all the characters. They have all their eggs wrapped up in Batman...you'd think that after the success of the MCU they'd start going ahead on the DCU...all we know about is Bat3..Green Lantern and Superman...and Superman is being reboot in a separate universe alone from other heroes

It's this garbage idea WB has that "It's Gotta Be An Epic!!!! Send it to annudder writer!" People who are not connected to comics in any serious way have gotten their reputations and futures tied to the supposed monumental success of a Superhero film, they keep them from being made.

Somebody, here I think made a reference to superhero films and 2015. I'm not sure the trend will last that long. We're at the point (Super Hero Squad) where mainstream big name Superheroes are mocked by the company that published them!

A decade after the first home wrecking pretty girl was labeled a vamp, vamps weren't morally repugnant they were grist for comedy films.

A good superhero film is a B Western plot, updated and scaled to Superheroic feats, has urban hipness and some comedy high points. The hero saves the day and flies off into the sunset.

Super Hero movies do not win Oscars. A superhero film star has to die to get an Oscar nomination. Ledgerwouldn't get past the commitee if he hadn't dropped dead and we all know it. The bias against the genre is pretty strong.

And Warner execs are mastering the secret art of thumb twiddling.

 

[Hound55]

Super Hero movies do not win Oscars. A superhero film star has to die to get an Oscar nomination. Ledgerwouldn't get past the commitee if he hadn't dropped dead and we all know it. The bias against the genre is pretty strong.

I don't buy that...

 

[dnno1]

Last I remember, nobody died to get "Superman: The Movie" nor "Batman" '89 Oscars. Who's spreading bad rumors? Maybe he meant Marvel Superhero movies.

 

[BlackLantern]

I believe he means some of the BIG awards, like Best Supporting or BP, not the techinical stuff like effects or music

 

[Crook]

I've gotta be honest, not any comic book movie has really deserved to be on the big Oscar list.

The only one that was deserving was Heath's, thus far.

 

[dnno1]

I believe he means some of the BIG awards, like Best Supporting or BP, not the techinical stuff like effects or music

He said Oscars. He did not specify big or little, just Oscars. I just named two Superhero pictures that won Oscars that didn't have anyone die during production to get the awards. He was wrong. Stop putting words in his mouth and let him answer that for himself.

 

[BlackLantern]

how about you take the bass out your post?

I was just offering my POV

 

[Spidey-Quad]

Oh my lord.

I will once again reference this point. That's an entire list of what DC/MARVEL have done. If this is about quality...they are even. If this is about quantity...they are even. Wow, I'm such a DC fanboy for pointing this out!

For whatever reason you, like others, are in some huge rush just to see anything done for your favorite characters. I'm glad none of you guys are heads of the film department because I would have likely been stuck with a surplus of worthless films. You want to have something instead of nothing, fine. But do not condemn those that can wait for quality. I'd ask for you to explain how that is an excuse, but I honestly do not want to know the roots of such backwards logic.

Nope, this constant dribble proves you are either in hard denial or plain blind. If this thread became "one vs other" the blame falls on you and your same ol' responses. You've never once dealt with the question. You've denied, then hid behind your denials. And saying stuff like "coming over here" like the Hype is NY city turf.

That movie was called "Warrior's", a Stan Lee idea btw.

 

[Heretic]

Marvel released two movies this year...DC releases two movies this year.

I'm not sure why this is considered up for debate.

 

[Spidey-Quad]

I've gotta be honest, not any comic book movie has really deserved to be on the big Oscar list.

The only one that was deserving was Heath's, thus far.

People used to say the same hing about fantasy movies until someone took a chance and believed. Guy made a boat load of money for "New Line"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_film_trilogy

 

[dnno1]

how about you take the bass out your post?

I was just offering my POV

Like I said before, he did not say that. He just said Oscars. They are all the same size and weight so if its a best actor award, best picture, a special achievement award for visual effects, or best art direction, they are all the same. You are just putting words in his mouth. He didn't say that and I was originally addressing his post. Stop putting words in his mouth. The guy is flat out wrong.

 

[Crook]

Nope, this constant dribble proves you are either in hard denial or plain blind. If this thread became "one vs other" the blame falls on you and your same ol' responses. You've never once dealt with the question. You've denied, then hid behind your denials. And saying stuff like "coming over here" like the Hype is NY city turf.

That movie was called "Warrior's", a Stan Lee idea btw.

For future reference, saying this-and-that without backing it up doesn't help to prove your case. I'm in denial? Show me. I've denied things? Show me. I'm exclaiming statements such as "coming over here" like there are territories in this discussion? Show me. I've made this thread DC vs Marvel? Show me. That is how discussions work.

I answered this thread's question from the very beginning. Very plainly and to the point. You weren't happy with it and are challenging me to answer it differently. Sorry, I'm not here to appease your position. Once you decide to debate me point for point, I'll be right here. Until then, quit making accusations and proclamations that you can't provide proof with.

People used to say the same hing about fantasy movies until someone took a chance and believed. Guy made a boat load of money for "New Line"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings_film_trilogy

No. You are confusing "(insert genre) can't be Oscar-calibre movies" with "(insert genre) hasn't provided Oscar-calibre movies yet". I have stated the latter.

 

[Heretic]

I've gotta be honest, not any comic book movie has really deserved to be on the big Oscar list.

The only one that was deserving was Heath's, thus far.

I would offer that Persepolis, American Splendor, A History Of Violence and Ghost World all deserved more awards than they got.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea like i said in earlier posts it would be nice if wb/dc did try more and have a bit more faith in characters like flash/aquaman/ww. But then on the other hand i do see why they do not do it. But as a fan it would be nice to see these characters and others have their chance to shine on the big screen and hopefully they will be treated right and do good stuff for the character.

 

[Spidey-Quad]

For future reference, saying this-and-that without backing it up doesn't help to prove your case. I'm in denial? Show me. I've denied things? Show me. I'm exclaiming statements such as "coming over here" like there are territories in this discussion? Show me. I've made this thread DC vs Marvel? Show me. That is how discussions work.

I answered this thread's question from the very beginning. Very plainly and to the point. You weren't happy with it and are challenging me to answer it differently. Sorry, I'm not here to appease your position. Once you decide to debate me point for point, I'll be right here. Until then, quit making accusations and proclamations that you can't provide proof with.


No. You are confusing "(insert genre) can't be Oscar-calibre movies" with "(insert genre) hasn't provided Oscar-calibre movies yet". I have stated the latter.

Dude,, you are like the kid that's never wrong, must be tough. All your points are you being a number pusher. Play with them enough you can twist anything to your liking. Until you learn to be flexable your conversations will always be one way and you will never learn a thing.

 

[dnno1]

I've gotta be honest, not any comic book movie has really deserved to be on the big Oscar list.

The only one that was deserving was Heath's, thus far.

So you don't think "Road to Perdition" didn't deserve an Oscar?

 

[BlackLantern]

was it nominated for any?? I do not recall

 

[dnno1]

It won Best Cinematography in 2003.

 

[Spidey-Quad]

I'm pretty sure Superman won an Oscar for effects. Actually it did and got 4 nominations.

http://www.popculturemadness.com/Trivia/Oscars/Top-1978-O.html

Oo, you can be wrong. But it doesn't count because...

 

[Crook]

I would offer that Persepolis, American Splendor, A History Of Violence and Ghost World all deserved more awards than they got.

So you don't think "Road to Perdition" didn't deserve an Oscar?

Let me clarify, "comic book movies" by conventional definition, i.e. superhero movies. Of the big leagues, TDK has been the closest. I personally think the style and tone Unbreakable had, will be the closest that type of movie has to mimic to appease the standards of Oscar votes.

Dude,, you are like the kid that's never wrong, must be tough. All your points are you being a number pusher. Play with them enough you can twist anything to your liking. Until you learn to be flexable your conversations will always be one way and you will never learn a thing.

Look, either directly address my points or don't address them at all. It is not productive to just make proclamations and not explain them. This isn't even a conversation, because that requires both parties to communicate with one another.

If my arguments are so erroneous and irrational, it would be VERY easy for you to break them down. This is a great chance for you to practically embarrass me in front of everyone. Even better, using my own words against me. It seems this is the case as your tone sounds might confident. Well, here I am, inviting you to try. If you disagree with my position, that is all well and good. But at the very least partake in the activity and provide concrete counterpoints. That's all I ask.