SuperFerret
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Are we talking elected Republicans or people who vote Republican?
Are we talking elected Republicans or people who vote Republican?
He is still more popular than Bush. People really couldn't stand that guy outside the U.S
Nothing changes.t:
The Cleveland/Blaine election was also pretty awful. The stuff Obama has had to deal with is nothing compared to that.It is worse with Obama because the moderates on both sides of the aisle have been largely bounced from office since 2008. Previously a President could always find at least a few people on the opposing side that they could work with. Expect the current situation to be the new standard going forward.
That said, there have always been large blocks saying vile things repeatedly about most Presidents. Maybe a war hero like Eisenhower or Washington was untouchable to a certain degree, but they are the exception. It wasn't really that much better for Carter, LBJ, Truman, Hoover, McKinley, Cleveland, and basically every other president going back to John Adams. In terms of the shear vileness of the criticism, Obama's got things easy compared to what was said about Lincoln.
I'm gonna put it this way to you, he won both elections. Fairly and according to the rules.most people couldn't stand him IN the US either
hence only actually winning one of his elections
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and if were talking elected repubs here? they appear disrespectful because they are disrespectful, a small greedy group of millionaires who see themselves as above all us normies, and are such sore losers in presidential elections that they'd rather blow up the economy than work with that big (*cough*black*) meanie who beat poor McCain-icles and Rom-bo
but that's just scratching the surface
I'm gonna put it this way to you, he won both elections. Fairly and according to the rules.
I'm gonna put it this way to you, he won both elections. Fairly and according to the rules.
Doesn't matter. He still won in 2000. And Bush probably would have gotten a lot more votes if the networks didn't prematurely call Florida.While he won both, he got less votes then the loser in one of those elections meaning a majority of people didn't want him as president that year but the rules worked in his favor
Doesn't matter. He still won in 2000. And Bush probably would have gotten a lot more votes if the networks didn't prematurely call Florida.
No they didn't. Florida is split in two time zones, they called Florida when the polls closed in Eastern Standard Time, (the majority of the state) while the polls were still open for another hour in the portion of the state that was in Central Standard Time. This was prime Republican country where Bush was winning with up to 70% in these counties. As a result many Floridians were turned away because they didn't think it was worth the time to vote in a state that was already called. The media's massive blunder cost Bush THOUSANDS of votes in Florida.They didn't call Florida till after the polls closed there.
To a certain extent, when it looked like Gore was going to win, it would have dissuaded a lot of Republican voters.It's ridiculous to think that might make any difference in Utah or California
This was prime Republican country where Bush was winning with up to 70% in these counties. As a result many Floridians were turned away because they didn't think it was worth the time to vote in a state that was already called. The media's massive blunder cost Bush THOUSANDS of votes in Florida.
I think anyone who thinks race isn't a factor in all this is either really naive, or just in deep denial.
The thing is, Obama is a mediocre liberal. With the exception of gay rights which isn't even as divisive as it once was and possibly abortion, Obama is pretty damn centrist, if not even slightly conservative.
By comparison Bush was about as conservative as you can get. On every issue. There's a reason Bush remains such a controversial president. His first term lacked legitimacy in the eyes of Democrats thanks to America's bizarre election system. Then there's him being a champion of the religious right, the military industrial complex and corporations intelligence. And then there's starting that war on bad intelligence (if you believe he wasn't outright lying) and all the corruption. Not to mention making the rich richer and the poor poorer with his tax cuts, and other super conservative fiscal policies. You've heard all this before.
My point is, Democrats had very good reasons to hate Bush. He was not just a terrible president, but embodied everything they disliked politically.
Obama on the other hand... is a milquetoast liberal who either due to incompetence, or pragmatism has adopted a number of Republican ideas.
So why this insane hatred? Gee, it's almost like there's something different about him. What could it be? Maybe it's because he's from Hawaii.
As much as I hate to use the term RINO and DINO, the Chafee family is as RINO as you can possibly get.It is. And you know that. Obama took the Chafee bill from the 90's and tweaked it. It's practically plagiarism.
He is a liberal. He's a pragmatic one, but still a liberal.But even if you refuse to acknowledge that, he's still a damn lousy liberal.
I'll agree with you there. Even though I don't agree with Obama, there are so many times I have had to defend Obama to fellow conservatives just because they're criticizing him on things that either don't matter or just aren't true. So yes, the hatred is extremely disproportionate, but that's the age we live in.The Republican party's hatred for the man is grossly disproportionate.
I'm gonna put it this way to you, he won both elections. Fairly and according to the rules.
I remember that being a really big deal. Any Republican on the west coast really had no reason to leave the house the way it was being painted. The media really jumped the gun on that...and they even had to admit it afterward. There is no way to deny that cost Bush a lot of votes.To a certain extent, when it looked like Gore was going to win, it would have dissuaded a lot of Republican voters.