Why does everyone seem to....

[dasNdanger]

hate Wolverine? (Generally speaking, of course...since I know not EVERYone hates him...but sometimes it feels that way...) Do ya know how hard it is to try to find a forum where a silly ol' fan like me can actually talk about this character, without having a bunch of people saying how lame he is? Nearly impossible...

So...how is this movie ever gonna fly? There just seems to be so much hostility towards this character, and personally, I think he's one of the most interesting ones out there. The movie has the potential to be great...the potential to introduce new fans to the comics, and to flesh him out more for already established fans. But I'm almost embarrassed to talk about him, for fear of sounding like an idiot for liking the most "over-used" character in the Marvel universe (hey, it's NOT his fault that he's so freakin' great!).

So - what is it? Is it 'cause he's short? Or 'cause he smells like a wet dog? Or 'cause, in your opinion, somewhere down the line they wussied up the character? Just wonderin' why so many people are against him, and if this will have any bearing on the success of the film...

das

 

[Chris Wallace]

I think they either find him overrated, overexposed, or just feel that the movies haven't done him justice. The most common argument I've run across is that the X-Men movies focused on him so mush, why give him a solo flick?
Another is that they're p*ssing & moaning over the costume.
Beyond that I don't know.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Just cause he hogs the screen time... he was always my favorite but X3 really over did it... the Pheonix was butchered but everything else in the movie was pretty good... I am over it now though and I am really looking forward to this flick

 

[dasNdanger]

Hey - the only reason I know about the character is because of the movies. And at first, I absolutely refused to watch those movies 'with the guy who has the funny hairdo'. My hubby and friends finally made me watch the movies about a week before X3 came out...and I was hooked. Loved all the characters, but the whole 'loner who was used as an experiment' thing intrigued me. So, I started gobbling up the comics and TPBs. Well...isn't it funny - I actually like comic book Wolvie better than movie Wolvie...not sure why, but I guess I just go for short, hairy guys wif 'tude. Don't get me wrong, I think Jackman did a great job - but there is one thing lacking in the movies that is the essence of Wolverine - his internal dialogue. Just can't show that in a movie. But in the comics...LOL...it's just great 'hearing' him talking to himself, telling himself that he's the best there is, and all of that, as if he needs constant reassurance. I miss that in the movies, though I realize it just wouldn't work.

I love him as Patch, but haven't gone back to the earliest stuff. I just got Weapon X in TPB, looking forward to reading that. Most of the other stuff I've read is recent, with some things dating back to '89/'90. Not much before that. And I love all his different incarnations...or whatever you want to call them. Patch is something like a '40s detective with a splash of film noir goon thrown in. Modern Wolverine is much like Eastwood's spaghetti western Man With No Name. The there's the Superhero part of him who comes in with the suit and the flash and saves the day. Yeah - I'm liking it all...

And if he is overrated, or overused - so what? No one is forced to read his comics. And as far as the movies go - well, I get the impression that they never expected this all to fly like it did, and so, after the success of X2, they toned down his backstory to get ready for a solo character film, but they couldn't take him out of the mix, he was too central. They just didn't see it coming, I think...and so it's not really the character's fault that the movies did so well, making him more of a household name (well...kinda, since no one I talk to has even heard of him! LOL...).

I guess time will tell. If the Wolverine movie is a hit, then his place in the Marvel universe is set. If it's a failure, then...who knows? Maybe they will retire the character for good...which would be terrible, IMHO. I think he's a good character who, perhaps, may need to be put on a back burner for a bit, but not totally out of sight.

das

 

[hitpehoaos]

you had to open a thread to make one statement

 

[dasNdanger]

NO, I opened a thread to ask people whether they think this movie will fly with the audiences, given how hostile people (comic book fans) seem to be towards the character, something I just don't get. I also opened this thread to start an intelligent discussion, since, afterall...this is a discussion forum.

So, if you want to discuss the topic, then discuss it. If you just want to make snide remarks, save it for someone else.

das

 

[Decay]

People do not hate Wolverine. It just happens that a lot of Cyclops and Jean Grey fans are posting at this forum and it's quite natural for them to hate Logan.

 

[dasNdanger]

I don't get the 'I love Cyclops so I hate Wolverine' thing. Love how they come off in the comics - LOL...what was that one story arc - the Weapon Plus one, where Wolvie gets Scott drunk...lol...loved that! Their friction enhances their characters, and makes them much more interesting. And if the 'hate' is because of the movies - we'll...blame the movie makers, and not the characters. It would have been easy for the film makers to put Scott to the fore...but they didn't. Why? Well...I'm gonna take a WILD guess here, and say it's because they assume that 75% of the audience is gonna be male, and men wanna see T&A on the screen - i.e.: Storm, Jean, Rogue. Then, they showcased the male character that had the more interesting backstory. And it worked. Drew folks right in. If Cyclops had been the main lead, not sure it would have worked as well...he's too much like those Supers...a bit too straight-laced. He's not conflicted enough - except in love, it seems. And UGH...had they gone that route - I mean, played on Scott's love life...well, then it wouldn't have been the X-Men at all, but just a Smallville rehash. But Wolverine offered something different - a forgotten and unexplained past, and a 'I don't play by the rules' attitude. The thing with him and Jean was just a side thing...and not really pivotal until the last movie...but again, that's not the character's fault, but the fault of whoever wrote things that way.

Hey - if it's any consolation to Cyclops' fans, in the latest issue of Wolverine Origins, Wolverine just handed the only weapon that can kill him over to Scott, and told him to use it when the time comes...because he trusts that Scott will not hesitate. That should make some folks happy, eh?

das

 

[Chris Wallace]

People do not hate Wolverine. It just happens that a lot of Cyclops and Jean Grey fans are posting at this forum and it's quite natural for them to hate Logan.

Not so much hate, as bash b/c he conflicts w/what they wanted for Scott & Jean. I got similar flak for my avi, simply b/c some posters wanted to see Storm w/Wolverine.

 

[dasNdanger]

Kinda silly, isn't it? I mean...the LAST thing I'm even concerned with in the comics are the romantic relationships - UGH. Blech, blech, BLECH! And I'm a woman. Sure, I like to see a good snog now and again, but I'm not a fan of love stories...nope, not at all (unless they're tragic...and by tragic I mean that the chick dies). Give me action, inner conflicts, personal struggles...give me mourning and grief and pain...or even comedy...but keep the bloody love stories out of it!! If I wanted that stuff, I'd be watching Smallville with my hubby. He loves all that mushy crap...

Hmmmmm....maybe we should both have our testosterone levels checked....

Anywho - I guess I get it now. They don't like Wolverine because he came in between Scott and Jean...is that it? Uh-huh. *ponders the concept* I'll get back with you on this....

das

 

[Norkie]

Well for one I can see one reason why people dislike him in one of the wolverine comics I think its #43 a guy named nitro used his power to make a gigantic blast and in the comic it showed wolverine get burned all the way down to the adamantium and he regenerates from that in like an hour. Me I think there is no way he could possibly regenerate from that. So I think that him being pretty much invincible makes people dislike him a little. and yes there is the over exposer just the other day I was at wal-mart buying some Icon figures I saw a whole wall filled with wolverine stuff like walkie talkies to stickers and baby toys.

 

[chaseter]

I will steer clear of this thread because it will turn into a flame thread guaranteed.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Not much can be done to prevent that.

 

[squeekness]

I agree with the overexposure. He's one of my top faves, but you see his face everywhere tand that kind of exposure means that some other charcter who is just as deserving loses their chance to shine.

 

[Ororocity]

ooh ooh I know the answer.
Because when you refer to the X Men somewhere it has to be about Wolverine.
And if they are promoting X Men ,Wolverine is the avatar or the other team members are in the background. I don't hate him but he is just always there.
And the other answers I agree with too

 

[CapBeerCino]

Go there-

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240427

For 29 pages of reasons why...

 

[danoyse]

....and why plenty do still like Wolverine.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I will steer clear of this thread because it will turn into a flame thread guaranteed.

It better not.

 

[Mike059jig]

Ha wolverine is Unique he's probably the only Character that has a Huge Fan base and another huge fan base that hate him

 

[heypapajinx]

everyone i have know that has hated Wolverine, or at least Jackman's interpretation of the character, has been guys who identified Wolverine as the wild loner. gruff. not personable. willing to kill if you get in his way. but of course he was softened for Hollywood so that he would be a likeable character, not some jerk who doesn't give a crap about anyone else. most of my friends had beef with that, and his height of course.
but i personally think he did an excellent job, and the shallowness of the character lies on the shoulders of the writers, not on Jackmans performance.
and he didn't say "Bub" NEAR enough times!!

 

[Dr.Dude]

While Wolverine's always my favorite X-man since I was a kid, admittedly he is both overrated and overexpsed... but the trouble with Wolverine isn't the character, it's the comic writers.

The character of Wolverine is one of Marvel's best, by far... he's an extremely interesting protagonist, a scrappy, vicious underdog that has covered up vulnerabilites and wants nothing more than to know his past, the one thing he can never regenerate. He's the guy who becomes your favorite just for that reason --- because he's the outsider, he's the underdog, someone you can really root for.

But since he became so popular in, say, the late 1990s... the writer's have exaggerated him into some immortal, unbelievably exaggerated god-like figure that gueststars in every book every month, always front and center, and can survive a ****ing nuclear blast. He's turned into the Batman of Marvel... they just have him walk into any room and kick a bunch of asses without any explanation and no injuries, "because he's Wolverine". He has no more personal struggles with keeping the beast inside him caged up. The Wolverine in the comics today just isn't the same deep, interesting character we all loved from the 70's, 80's, Animated series, and etc.

But that's the reason I'm really looking forward to the Wolverine movie... because even though there was obviously flaws in the movies' depiction of the character, all 3 movies did succeed in finally bringing Wolverine back to his roots as that scrappy underdog with the dark, mysterious past, that you can stand behind and root for... hopefully this pattern continues into the upcoming Wolverine movie.

 

[CapBeerCino]

....and why plenty do still like Wolverine.

Fair enough- I should have wrote '29 pages on the subject' (probably a lot more by now thanx to you and ntcrawler )

 

[FireandIce213]

everyone i have know that has hated Wolverine, or at least Jackman's interpretation of the character, has been guys who identified Wolverine as the wild loner. gruff. not personable. willing to kill if you get in his way. but of course he was softened for Hollywood so that he would be a likeable character, not some jerk who doesn't give a crap about anyone else. most of my friends had beef with that, and his height of course.
but i personally think he did an excellent job, and the shallowness of the character lies on the shoulders of the writers, not on Jackmans performance.
and he didn't say "Bub" NEAR enough times!!

I think that the way Wolverine was in the movies isnt Jackmans fault...Youre right the writers did soften him up big time, but Jackman's still got that toughness and aggresiveness that Logan has. I think we should see the dark, mean, violent side of Wolverine in the spin-off(We Better). Jackman sure as hell can pull off the mean side of Wolverine, just watch the beginning of the first X-Men Movie from the cage fight to the bar fight...its when he encounters rogue trying to stowaway in the back of his truck that he seems to go soft a little.

 

[Iceman]

Wolverine is a great character. He just gets much more exposure than any one X-Man ever should. For me the team aspect of the book/films is the key to its success.

 

[Decay]

^ thinking about that...I don't know if there is an X-men character which is totally lame. They are all great in their own way.