Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

[GarudA]

Spiderman 3 already has 800ml+ worldwide, double what SR did in it's entire run.

 

[Qwerty©]

Not, but for some reason you guys used to bring up the IMDB boards all the time. "If the film is so hated, then why does ut rank so high in the IMDB polls?" you guys would say. Well it actually doesn't in user comments. I guess IMDB is only reliable when it reflects your point of view.

Don't lump all of us into one group, please. We're all individuals here. It's a mentality like yours that creates the division these boards suffer from.

 

[Qwerty©]

Spiderman 3 already has 800ml+ worldwide, double what SR did in it's entire run.

Yet the reaction to the film is just as mixed in the fan community as it is for SR.

Which goes to show that fans generally know squat about what makes a box office success.

 

[buggs0268]

Don't lump all of us into one group, please. We're all individuals here. It's a mentality like yours that creates the division these boards suffer from.

No. It is the stupid crap that Singer did in the film design, story, and other things that creates the division here.

 

[Qwerty©]

No. It is the stupid crap that Singer did in the film design, story, and other things that creates the division here.

Of course, Singer's intention when he made SR was to cause a dispute in the fan community.

When I refer to a 'division', i'm not referring to the difference in opinion, i'm referring to the division of 'haters' and 'likers' in which people of the opposing group can never get along and have to argue constantly.

I'm not surprised that in your eyes a difference of opinion equals a 'division'.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Listen SM3 is a not so good movie (in my opinion obviously) with not so good legs but it's still a hit so to compare it boxoffice wise to the mega disappointment that was SR is nothing short of silly. For one thing Spidey3 actually made it's budget back in the U.S.A and it is a mega hit overseas.

I'm sad because such a vastly inferior movie to the first two films is making so much more money overseas but thats the way it is.

Sony isn't going to have the huge profit of the first two and more impportantly the movie itself is obviously a disappointment to most movie goers (bad legs show us that) but it's still a hit, maybe slightly disappointing (in the U.S) if you factor in it's record opening and it not being able to gross as much as the second movie but to tell you the honest truth... I never thought that it would. I just didn't expect the legs to be so horrible. I predicted 350-360mil at the end of the day and it's clearly not going to reach that number, so I was off but I have a feeling that even if the movie opened to 135mil and grossed 360mil the crazed overzealous fanboys would still be calling it a huge bomb. It wasn't going to win because of the extreme hype. In a way SR sufffered from the same overhype, thing is 250mil would have been a good (if still underwelming number) for a SR. WB would have been rushing a sequel into production if that number would have happened.

SM3 doesn't deserve the money it's making (SR still made too much if you ask me) but it's making it. Most people really enjoyed those first two movies, the internet geeks to to except that fact and move the hell on.

I only call a big budgeted movie that doesn't make it's budget back in the U.S a huge failure/disappointment...SM3 doesn't qualify.

 

[Cyrusbales]

box office revenue does not reflect quality.

 

[ANTOINE X]

Can someone explain to me why Superman fans seem not to like Superman Returns?

Personally, I think it's a great film, and one of the best superhero movies of all time, probably only behind Batman Begins and Spider-Man 2.

What don't they like? The fact that it's a rehash/homage to Donner? Who cares? It's the start of the franchise, what better way to start out?

Not enough action? Call me crazy, but I think the airplane sequence is one of the coolest things I've ever seen a movie.

The suit? I mean, c'mon, it looks fine. Compare it to what Batman and the X-Men wear relative to the comics.

So what is it? To me, other than Lois Lane (Bosworth sucks) the casting is great, the production values and effects are MAGNIFICENT and the story is a classic Superman story. What do people hate? That he has a kid?

Sorry, I'm not the hugest Superman fan in the world, but I loved this movie and it seemed like a fantastic adaptation to me. What don't people like about it?

I liked supermen returns the cast was good , good special effect but I think there was nothing new to learn, I know that Bryan wanted to continue the saga that was left in superman 2 but thats maybe the problem. I fill like I Saw a rerun of previous superman movies. the superman remind me a litle bit of christopher reeeve and Kevin Spacey did good but it remind me too much of Gene Hackman performance. So we waited a decade to ear the same song! If you check Smallville it s really new in terms of acting and scripting it s refreshing! there s a bit of x-file kind of atmosphere. LEX in smallville is so good! To me I would have casted all of them to do a superman movie.

 

[ultimatefan]

You know, I was just watching Look, up in the sky! and it´s funny to see how things change with the time. At the time Superman II was released, him sleeping with Lois horrified fans - and don´t forget, they were still going to sleep together in the Donner version -, which isn´t so different from fanboys now being upset about the Superman son thing. Take time and soon people will stop making such a big deal out of it, just as they stopped making it about Superman II.

 

[BareKnucklez]

I liked supermen returns the cast was good , good special effect but I think there was nothing new to learn, I know that Bryan wanted to continue the saga that was left in superman 2 but thats maybe the problem. I fill like I Saw a rerun of previous superman movies. the superman remind me a litle bit of christopher reeeve and Kevin Spacey did good but it remind me too much of Gene Hackman performance. So we waited a decade to ear the same song! If you check Smallville it s really new in terms of acting and scripting it s refreshing! there s a bit of x-file kind of atmosphere. LEX in smallville is so good! To me I would have casted all of them to do a superman movie.

That was my first choice also, and the mass public feels the same way... It's a shame that the wb, and the powers that be don't want to give the fans what we so clearly want.

 

[BareKnucklez]

box office revenue does not reflect quality.

Yea and SR was bad quality, and bad boxoffice revenue... t:

 

[Jack O Lantern]

That was my first choice also, and the mass public feels the same way... It's a shame that the wb, and the powers that be don't want to give the fans what we so clearly want.

Have you done the leg work to make such a claim? Or are you assuming that your opinion is the same as the general public.

 

[Pickle-El]

It's just what he believes....such a sad state to be in. :/

 

[Lighthouse]

That was my first choice also, and the mass public feels the same way... It's a shame that the wb, and the powers that be don't want to give the fans what we so clearly want.

Nobody knows what the fans want. As far as I'm concerned, I don't think directors should listen to the fans. Raimi had to deal with this by shoehorning in Gwen and Venom. Ghost Rider is another example of this. Its is completely faithful to the comics and has lots of moments for the fans, but the movie is still crap. I think the director has an obligation to making a great story that stays true to the spirit of the character. I personally hate cameos and nudge/nudge wink/wink moments in movies because they are just distractions. Now when they make alterations to make it more hip, sell more toys, or appeal to a certain demographic, THEN I think the studios are screwing up.

 

[Delete]

Of course, Singer's intention when he made SR was to cause a dispute in the fan community.

When I refer to a 'division', i'm not referring to the difference in opinion, i'm referring to the division of 'haters' and 'likers' in which people of the opposing group can never get along and have to argue constantly.

I'm not surprised that in your eyes a difference of opinion equals a 'division'.

Yeah I do not understand how this movie pulled off such a polarization. Even I get annoyed at people trying to defend this movie and really I don't care about Superman all that much to begin with.

 

[buggs0268]

Of course, Singer's intention when he made SR was to cause a dispute in the fan community.

When I refer to a 'division', i'm not referring to the difference in opinion, i'm referring to the division of 'haters' and 'likers' in which people of the opposing group can never get along and have to argue constantly.

I'm not surprised that in your eyes a difference of opinion equals a 'division'.

YOUR the one who brought up the word "division". I quote your post above:

"Don't lump all of us into one group, please. We're all individuals here. It's a mentality like yours that creates the division these boards suffer from."

Taken from your post above, but you can go directly to it here. Do you guys even read what you type anymore?

And I was one of the guys for two years that, along with the other people who didn't like what was going on, told the people who did like what Singer was doing "I respect your opinion..." I just got tired of saying it because in your respsonses your side obviously didn't repect ours.

And Singer obviously did intend to do it as he didn't listen to the fans. When the suit first came out, Fan's *****ed, and he did nothing. Obviously as it is what he chose. He co-wrote the script, and co-produced it and directed it, so he was literally the final say in what went into the film. All of the upsets and bad box office is his fault. He had final edit approval. He was the one who decided to wait to edit the film until everything was shot, and not do what most films do, which is edit while shooting to know what scenes to not shoot, and what scenes needed a bridging scene to edit together while you are shooting. That happens all the time. He was the one who refused to test it, and instead chose to do his stupid friends and family showing. It is all his fault. He had total control over it.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Yea and SR was bad quality, and bad boxoffice revenue... t:

And that was bad grammar should be "Poor quality" even though you're wrong!

 

[Qwerty©]

YOUR the one who brought up the word "division". I quote your post above:

"Don't lump all of us into one group, please. We're all individuals here. It's a mentality like yours that creates the division these boards suffer from."

Taken from your post above, but you can go directly to it here. Do you guys even read what you type anymore?

Um, yeah, I said the word division, that doesn't mean i'm the one that started the division.

And I was one of the guys for two years that, along with the other people who didn't like what was going on, told the people who did like what Singer was doing "I respect your opinion..." I just got tired of saying it because in your respsonses your side obviously didn't repect ours.

There you go again, talking about 'sides'.

And Singer obviously did intend to do it as he didn't listen to the fans. When the suit first came out, Fan's *****ed, and he did nothing. Obviously as it is what he chose. He co-wrote the script, and co-produced it and directed it, so he was literally the final say in what went into the film. All of the upsets and bad box office is his fault. He had final edit approval. He was the one who decided to wait to edit the film until everything was shot, and not do what most films do, which is edit while shooting to know what scenes to not shoot, and what scenes needed a bridging scene to edit together while you are shooting. That happens all the time. He was the one who refused to test it, and instead chose to do his stupid friends and family showing. It is all his fault. He had total control over it.

So basically he made the film he wanted to make.

How is that a problem? Or in any way wrong?

The only reason you think its wrong is because you didn't like it. You can't say that what Singer did was inarguably wrong or incorrect. You can say you didn't like it, or say that he made poor decisions, but instead you are acting like Singer has made an unforgivable abomination of a film and he has committed some sort of immoral act.

So Singer made a film you didn't like. You want my advice? Man up and get over it.

Do something productive like go to the sequel forum and propose what you want to see happening in a sequel, in a way that isn't aggressive towards those who like the film or anyone who disagrees with you, so that these boards can become something more than the farce they are now.

 

[buggs0268]

You man up and get over it. Your the guy that feels the need to defend it all the time. Don't give me advice. Who the heck are you to tell me to do so. This is a free forum whose subject is the movie Superman Returns. That is the whole point of this section of the hype. Or is this another "Only things of a good nature about the film should be discussed here?" You man up. If you can't take criticism about a movie, then maybe you should do some thinking about priorities in your life. Stop telling us what we should be doing with our lives.

And the film the thread's title is asking for responses on is Superman Returns. Not it's unmade sequel (if it has one) This thread is in this forum. I didn't create it, but it is here. Specifically asking those who are Superman fans why we don't like it. I am doing what the topic of this thread is. You don't like it, then don't read or post in this thread. Because I am here doing what the thread is asking.

 

[Showtime]

Ok you two. Enough bickering.

Do I have to put up an even scarier avatar?

 

[Qwerty©]

You man up and get over it. Your the guy that feels the need to defend it all the time. Don't give me advice. Who the heck are you to tell me to do so. This is a free forum whose subject is the movie Superman Returns. That is the whole point of this section of the hype. Or is this another "Only things of a good nature about the film should be discussed here?" You man up. If you can't take criticism about a movie, then maybe you should do some thinking about priorities in your life. Stop telling us what we should be doing with our lives.

Way to ignore what I'm saying. I can't even begin to count the number of times I said you can have your negative opinion.

And the film the thread's title is asking for responses on is Superman Returns. Not it's unmade sequel (if it has one) This thread is in this forum. I didn't create it, but it is here. Specifically asking those who are Superman fans why we don't like it. I am doing what the topic of this thread is. You don't like it, then don't read or post in this thread. Because I am here doing what the thread is asking.

Yeah, but if you notice, that's not what i'm criticising you for.

First, I criticised you for lumping people into groups, creating a division among the members of the boards.

Then I criticised the way you talked about the film as if it's inarguably (key word here) terrible, and that Singer has committed some sort of travesty. Basically, I don't like your tone, and you're not the only one with this mentality.

 

[batbat_29640]

Ok you two. Enough bickering.

Do I have to put up an even scarier avatar?

lol Dude did you get that from Masters of Horror 'The Washingtonians' episode? Or is that from Poltergiest II?

 

[Showtime]

Poltergeist 2, I had somebody add the glowing eyes.

 

[buggs0268]

Have you done the leg work to make such a claim? Or are you assuming that your opinion is the same as the general public.

It's called box office. Compare the box office of a series of comic based films that does stay close to the comics, with each film in the series making over 800 million, and SR, which had to crawl to 380 mill WW. It's not rocket science.

 

[nintendo nerd]

It's called box office. Compare the box office of a series of comic based films that does stay close to the comics, with each film in the series making over 800 million, and SR, which had to crawl to 380 mill WW. It's not rocket science.

- BB tried to stay close to the comic books and it made less than SR.

- FF tried to stay close to the comic books and made less than SR.

- Sin city was exactly like the comic books and made less than SR.

Most of the people who watched the spider man movies don't even read comic books. So they don't know or care if the stories are faithful or not. I love spiderman but I'm pretty sure it's success is not based on how faithful it is.

Look at the Batman movie of 1989, that movie is even less faithful than SR and it made a lot of money.

It's not rocket science