Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

[Cyrusbales]

Some people do really wanna see a sequel though.

 

[X Knight]

that's true.

For ppl who enjoyed SR, they have every right to want to see the sequel.

No problem there.

I'm just saying that, if Singer does do a sequel, he's already lost a portion of his target audience.

Now, I don't know how big that portion is, and I can only really speak for this board, but there does seem to be a split in the fanbase. Moreso than I've seen for other comic book movies ( except perhaps Hulk ).

So, ppl who liked SR will most likely see the sequel.

But, for fans like me, who didn't care for SR, we probably won't see the sequel, especially if it continues in the current mold of SR.

If Singer thought he had a tough gig with SR, then he's going to have to do double duty in the sequel.

Not only must he please the fans of SR, he must also "win back" the detractors.

And, that's going to take alot more than slapping on a cool villian and upping the action......

 

[Cyrusbales]

well Sr not only had to bring the franchise upto date and stuff, but had to encorporate the old stuff in as well, which is a hard task. I think it was pulled off nicely, the next film will be what everyone is after because it's like redoing the origins but harder, and now that's done, it's gonna progress.

 

[X Knight]

well.....only time will tell, I guess.

true, Singer did have a tough job with SR. I think he will have a much tougher time with the sequel.

Now, he has to win back the detractors, and convince them that yes....they should see this movie...........

 

[Cyrusbales]

trailers should do that for everyone.

 

[X Knight]

well, not necessarily.......

I mean, I liked the trailer for SR, but disliked the actual movie.

Same with Ghost Rider........

so....I don't agree that trailers will excite everyone.......

 

[Cyrusbales]

should convey the inevitable changes tho

 

[Dr. Fate]

that's true.

For ppl who enjoyed SR, they have every right to want to see the sequel.

No problem there.

I'm just saying that, if Singer does do a sequel, he's already lost a portion of his target audience.

Now, I don't know how big that portion is, and I can only really speak for this board, but there does seem to be a split in the fanbase. Moreso than I've seen for other comic book movies ( except perhaps Hulk ).

So, ppl who liked SR will most likely see the sequel.

But, for fans like me, who didn't care for SR, we probably won't see the sequel, especially if it continues in the current mold of SR.

If Singer thought he had a tough gig with SR, then he's going to have to do double duty in the sequel.

Not only must he please the fans of SR, he must also "win back" the detractors.

And, that's going to take alot more than slapping on a cool villian and upping the action......

I agree.

 

[mego joe]

Problem is all the stuff thats left to explore at the end of SR is stuff I really don't care to see in the sequel. I felt the "Superman's Son" plot, while interesting, was very poorly thought out, with lots of plot holes and vague explanations. The kid was also completely lifeless and dull. I just don't have any interest in where this story is heading.

Bingo!! I feel the same way.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Ratner should have done the origin story for the first Superman movie and Singer should do the sequel

 

[mego joe]

well.....only time will tell, I guess.

true, Singer did have a tough job with SR. I think he will have a much tougher time with the sequel.

Now, he has to win back the detractors, and convince them that yes....they should see this movie...........

double Bingo!!

 

[mego joe]

should convey the inevitable changes tho

I think the point Super-Bats is making though, is that the trailer would have to convey a completely new direction for the 'haters' to come back. I mean as soon as you show the kid and don't insinuate he's really Mxy or Brainiac, a lot of us are out of there. There's just no way around that storyline.

 

[El Payaso]

The kid being Brainiac or Mxyzptlk is what a Superman movie needs?

Jesus (not a Christ-Superman reference intended).

 

[Qwerty©]

I mean as soon as you show the kid and don't insinuate he's really Mxy or Brainiac, a lot of us are out of there. There's just no way around that storyline.

Of course there is. Showtime came up with a great one, the Eradicator comes to earth and wants to kill Jason because of his impure kryptonian DNA, and to save Jason Superman has to use the molecule chamber from Superman II. So no more Superboy.

But Jason will still be there, and I guess that's the problem for you. I don't know, I guess some people don't like the character to grow...

 

[nintendo nerd]

Of course there is. Showtime came up with a great one, the Eradicator comes to earth and wants to kill Jason because of his impure kryptonian DNA, and to save Jason Superman has to use the molecule chamber from Superman II. So no more Superboy.

But Jason will still be there, and I guess that's the problem for you. I don't know, I guess some people don't like the character to grow...

Interesting plot. I would like to see Superman really angry because someone's trying to kill his son.

 

[chief103182]

There really wasn't a reason to have a kid in the first place. He caused a bit of a plot hole: In order to have the kid be 5 years old, Superman had to be gone for 5 years. What in the name of all that is holy was he doing in space for 5 years? Krypton is destroyed, he found nothing there, but how did the entire trip take 5 years? What was he doing?

Some may answer that it just took that long to get there, but that doesn't make sense either (considering he didn't age 5 years in STM while traveling from Krypton to Earth as a baby). Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

 

[X Knight]

well, in the movie novel.....i believe when Jor-el sent Supes to Earth.....it was mentioned that the trip would take about 2-2 1/2 years. So, a round trip would be about 5 years.

i agree though.....this an area that needed to be fleshed out more, never mind the fact that we didn't even get to see the sequence ( y'know....see where Superman RETURNED from!! )

It would have been much better if Supes did not intentionally make a 5+ year trip. Instead, he was somehow stranded, incapicitated, lost, injured, or even kidnapped ( by Brainiac or Darkseid or Mongul....ala the SR game ).

This would have set up a Homer's Odyssey type story....where the hero is away from his loved ones on an extended, important trip.....but due to circumstances beyond his control....he is severely delayed.

Then, when the hero returns home, he finds a world that is drastically different. A more cynical world that has MOVED ON, and learned to live without its protector.........even the woman he loved........

This would have also made his absence more excusable and more forgivable........not to mention his discovery of Jason more poignant and touching.

I've said it before......SR....with just a slight change of context....a bit more fleshed out........could have been so much more powerful...........

 

[chief103182]

Ah, I see. Thanks. But that still causes a problem in that any critic or casual movie-goer who isn't as knowledgeable about Superman watches this and wonders what the heck Superman was doing for 5 years. So to rephrase a bit: I wouldn't call it a straight plot hole, but it's definitely a flaw in the movie in that it is never explained. He could have just mentioned to Lois during their "interview" that Krypton is VERY far away. Because even his mother says "Five years." as if she's shocked. He should've explained it at some point.

 

[Delete]

The problem with the movie is that the only likable character is the dude who played Cyclops. Cyclops should not be the only likable guy in a Superman movie.

 

[superbaby]

well, in the movie novel.....i believe when Jor-el sent Supes to Earth.....it was mentioned that the trip would take about 2-2 1/2 years. So, a round trip would be about 5 years.

i agree though.....this an area that needed to be fleshed out more, never mind the fact that we didn't even get to see the sequence ( y'know....see where Superman RETURNED from!! )

It would have been much better if Supes did not intentionally make a 5+ year trip. Instead, he was somehow stranded, incapicitated, lost, injured, or even kidnapped ( by Brainiac or Darkseid or Mongul....ala the SR game ).

This would have set up a Homer's Odyssey type story....where the hero is away from his loved ones on an extended, important trip.....but due to circumstances beyond his control....he is severely delayed.

Then, when the hero returns home, he finds a world that is drastically different. A more cynical world that has MOVED ON, and learned to live without its protector.........even the woman he loved........

This would have also made his absence more excusable and more forgivable........not to mention his discovery of Jason more poignant and touching.

I've said it before......SR....with just a slight change of context....a bit more fleshed out........could have been so much more powerful...........

that sounds very good.

unfortunately. that doesn't go with singer. singer wanna make superman more relate-able to him. make his experience, superman's experience...
an orphan, who always wanna find out his root.

he forgetten he isn't a superhero and has a world on his shoulder.

 

[buggs0268]

There really wasn't a reason to have a kid in the first place. He caused a bit of a plot hole: In order to have the kid be 5 years old, Superman had to be gone for 5 years. What in the name of all that is holy was he doing in space for 5 years? Krypton is destroyed, he found nothing there, but how did the entire trip take 5 years? What was he doing?

Some may answer that it just took that long to get there, but that doesn't make sense either (considering he didn't age 5 years in STM while traveling from Krypton to Earth as a baby). Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

per the laws of physics, and as stated by both Jor-El's dialog in the Fortress, and Luthor's dialog, Krypton exploded and Bby Kal-El sent to earth thousands of years ago. It is Einsteins theory of Relativity. EVen though Kal-El only aged 3 years, it took thousands of years for the rocket ship to get to earth. So for him to go back to the remains of Krypton and come back would have taken him double that, as is reality and established in this vague history theory, when he got back, it would have been thousands of years later. So SR would ahve never happened.

 

[buggs0268]

well, in the movie novel.....i believe when Jor-el sent Supes to Earth.....it was mentioned that the trip would take about 2-2 1/2 years. So, a round trip would be about 5 years.

i agree though.....this an area that needed to be fleshed out more, never mind the fact that we didn't even get to see the sequence ( y'know....see where Superman RETURNED from!! )

It would have been much better if Supes did not intentionally make a 5+ year trip. Instead, he was somehow stranded, incapicitated, lost, injured, or even kidnapped ( by Brainiac or Darkseid or Mongul....ala the SR game ).

This would have set up a Homer's Odyssey type story....where the hero is away from his loved ones on an extended, important trip.....but due to circumstances beyond his control....he is severely delayed.

Then, when the hero returns home, he finds a world that is drastically different. A more cynical world that has MOVED ON, and learned to live without its protector.........even the woman he loved........

This would have also made his absence more excusable and more forgivable........not to mention his discovery of Jason more poignant and touching.

I've said it before......SR....with just a slight change of context....a bit more fleshed out........could have been so much more powerful...........

None of this matters, as I stated below, Singer is revising physics, and established canon from the films it is taking it's vague history from. Per the laws of physics, and established by Jor El and Lex Luthor in STM, it took Kal-El thousands of years to get to earth, but he aged only three because of the theory of relativity. It is stated this in the movies. So again, it would take him double the thousands of years it took him to get from Krypton to Earth in the first film.

 

[Angeloz]

Slight problem Jor-El mentioned Einstein in the ship before Kal-El reached Earth. So how did he travel thousands of years when he landed about 1961? Hint: Einstein was born in the 1800s.

Angeloz

 

[Prop_Replicas]

plot holes cause cancer.

 

[El Payaso]

plot holes cause cancer.

Aw naw, does this mean that Sam Raimi is going to die because of his galloping metastasis then?