Superman Returns Why Don't Some Superman Fans Like Superman Returns?

[C. Lee]

Based on all SUperman's bodily functions being normal as indicated in S:TM, I would say 9 months.


I guess they both have 23 chromasomes. It must be like dogs of different breeds instead of being a separate species.

I guess it depends if you are watching the movie (Lois and Lex watched him throw the piano) or reading the novelization or adaptation in which the piano slid when the ship lurched.

Don't you think SUperman would have checked out the DNA when he snuck into Jason's room at the end of the movie?

Unless Superman had impregnated a woman who went to term before he gave Lois that interview....he really doesn't know if that part was normal.

I had a Beagle and a German Shepherd once....the Beagle was short, the Shepherd was large.....but neither one flew or deflected bullets.

Lois and Lex didn't watch him throw the piano in the movie....Lois was on the ground watching the thug about to beat her, and Lex was on the bridge. Lois looks over at Jason after the piano hits the thug, and one of the henchmen comes up and tells Lex that the guy down below is dead.

I would assume that he would check it in some way or another....but we don't know if he did.

 

[mego joe]

Unless Superman had impregnated a woman who went to term before he gave Lois that interview....he really doesn't know if that part was normal.

I had a Beagle and a German Shepherd once....the Beagle was short, the Shepherd was large.....but neither one flew or deflected bullets.

yeah, but if they mated the mutt would exhibit characteristics of BOTH parents.

Lois and Lex didn't watch him throw the piano in the movie....Lois was on the ground watching the thug about to beat her, and Lex was on the bridge. Lois looks over at Jason after the piano hits the thug, and one of the henchmen comes up and tells Lex that the guy down below is dead.

I would assume that he would check it in some way or another....but we don't know if he did.

I understand what you're getting at, but doesn't it kind of makes sense that Jason is Superman's child? If he's not, the whole movie is a lie. As much as I would like that, I don't think that's what Singer and Co. intended. If it is, then he wasted 2 1/2 hours to divide the fanbase just to 'reveal' something different in a sequel that may never be made. If that was part of the plan it has to be one of the greatest filmmaking blunders of all time.
Hey, maybe you're right!

 

[CGHulk]

I was thinking of what my edit would be like of Superman Returns, one that would work for me, and here's what I would change! Remove the lines and scenes that suggest that Superman left without telling the world that he left. Lois is only upset that he personally didn't say goodbye to her. Remove the moments where Superman feels like an outcast (Jor-El voice over while Superman flies away and the line from Superman telling his son he might feel like an outcast). Remove all the Luthor scenes predating the moment where Lois discovers Luthor on the yacht, the big reveal of the villians plan later on is better for the story. I'd also remove the flashback scene of young Clark running through the fields of corn and Clark throwing the ball to his dog. Oh and I'd also remove the stapler bit. I'd remove the peeping tom scene in the bushes. Oh and remove the orange look of the movie, Metropolis looks like it has a major smog problem!

Count how many times I said remove! t:

 

[dr collossus]

I was thinking of what my edit would be like of Superman Returns, one that would work for me, and here's what I would change! Remove the lines and scenes that suggest that Superman left without telling the world that he left. Lois is only upset that he personally didn't say goodbye to her. Remove the moments where Superman feels like an outcast (Jor-El voice over while Superman flies away and the line from Superman telling his son he might feel like an outcast). Remove all the Luthor scenes predating the moment where Lois discovers Luthor on the yacht, the big reveal of the villians plan later on is better for the story. I'd also remove the flashback scene of young Clark running through the fields of corn and Clark throwing the ball to his dog. Oh and I'd also remove the stapler bit. I'd remove the peeping tom scene in the bushes. Oh and remove the orange look of the movie, Metropolis looks like it has a major smog problem!

Count how many times I said remove! t:

Actually this sounds pretty good. Can't say I was too bothered by the orange Metropolis thing though.

 

[dr collossus]

Did Jason really throw the piano or did the ship violently lurch due to turbulence caused by the creation of New Krypton?

You know what, I've never even thought about this before, but it makes sense! There is the small problem that he is holding his arms out as if he's pushed it, and it is smashed along the keys as if someone had pushed it (but this still could have been caused by the impact). But it would make perfect sense, and I can't help wondering what would have happened when he went for the door of the pantry if Richard hadn't opened it from the outside.

Does anyone know the gestation period for when an Earth female gets impregnated by a Kryptonian alien?

How is it possible for alien DNA to bind with Human DNA to create a child?

I think this however is kind of moot in light of all the 'powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men'.

 

[Angeloz]

What if it took 12 months for half-human half-kryptonian gestation? Or more?

On the piano thing. Things get screwed down on ships as shown in the film 'cos of stormy weather causing movement that rocks the boat.

Angeloz

 

[afan]

Unless Superman had impregnated a woman who went to term before he gave Lois that interview....he really doesn't know if that part was normal.

Superman knew all there is to know about human anatomy. It was part of the exhaustive knowledge imparted by Jor-el in the FOS. Surely knowledge regarding Human / Kryptonian procreation must have been also revealed.

Obviously Humans and Kryptonians are capable of procreation. So unless Jor-el was ignorant of the reality and misinformed Superman(unlikely given the absolute integrity of Jor-el's wisdom in every other matter), Superman would know for certain that he could impregnate a human and how long gestation would take.

What if it took 12 months for half-human half-kryptonian gestation? Or more?

If that were the case, or if any term was inordinate with a normal pregnancy, it would raise serious questions about the nature of the pregnancy; would it not?

 

[Angeloz]

Because they've been to Earth? 'Cos if they haven't how could they study the DNA and the like from humans? Special intergalactic tricorders?

Angeloz

 

[afan]

Because they've been to Earth? 'Cos if they haven't how could they study the DNA and the like from humans? Special intergalactic tricorders?

Angeloz

Could be.......... S:TM doesn't go into detail on how Kryptonians possess vast knowledge on a galactic scale, but undoubtedly they do.

 

[C. Lee]

Superman knew all there is to know about human anatomy. It was part of the exhaustive knowledge imparted by Jor-el in the FOS. Surely knowledge regarding Human / Kryptonian procreation must have been also revealed.

We have to assume that that information was given to him. And who's to say that the information given didn't tell him that it was impossible to impregnate Earth women....or....that if it was possible, the gestation period was vastly different?

Obviously Humans and Kryptonians are capable of procreation. So unless Jor-el was ignorant of the reality and misinformed Superman(unlikely given the absolute integrity of Jor-el's wisdom in every other matter), Superman would know for certain that he could impregnate a human and how long gestation would take.

I don't feel it is absolutely obvious that humans and Kryptonians can procreate....there is no definative proof at this point that Jason is his son (I agree he probably is....but....).......and again, even if Jor-El gave him the correct info on the gestation period....we haven't been told how long it is.

If that were the case, or if any term was inordinate with a normal pregnancy, it would raise serious questions about the nature of the pregnancy; would it not?

Not necessarily......what if the gestation period was six months (Lois would have absolutely no idea who the father was, or how it happened)......most women don't start showing they are pregnant until around the 3rd month...what if the baby grows so slowly that she doesn't show until the sixth month, and then carries it for another six months (making it a full year of pregnancy but it looks to everyone like a regular nine month period....this, again, would confuse Lois).

Superman is a science fiction story.....I have seen multiple science fiction movies and read multiple SF books where non normal to human gestation periods occure.

 

[afan]

Not necessarily......what if the gestation period was six months (Lois would have absolutely no idea who the father was, or how it happened)......most women don't start showing they are pregnant until around the 3rd month...what if the baby grows so slowly that she doesn't show until the sixth month, and then carries it for another six months (making it a full year of pregnancy but it looks to everyone like a regular nine month period....this, again, would confuse Lois).

Superman is a science fiction story.....I have seen multiple science fiction movies and read multiple SF books where non normal to human gestation periods occure.

Point being, if Lois' pregnancy deviated radically from what is considered normal it would create interest from at least Lois and most probably also from her associations and most definitely from her pediatrician. This interest would lead to questions, the questions leading to answers that would implicate Superman's involvement.
If however the pregnancy followed a normal human course of events no suspicion would arise, and no investigative trail would lead to Superman.

I don't feel it is absolutely obvious that humans and Kryptonians can procreate....there is no definative proof at this point that Jason is his son

I don't see how any detail in SR could instill any reasonable doubt. It is the conclusion of the film.

Superman is a science fiction story.....

Is it? I'm not so sure it belongs to the Sci-Fi genre.

 

[Angeloz]

She can't notice it after she's in a relationship with Richard? When it's not shocking. Though wow he's a nice rebound guy.

Angeloz

 

[afan]

She can't notice it after she's in a relationship with Richard? When it's not shocking. Though wow he's a nice rebound guy.

Angeloz

But if the term of the pregnancy differed from what is considered normal that would cause interest.

 

[Angeloz]

What if by the time she noticed it seemed almost normal. Also they thought he was premature so there's the other possibility. He was early but what if he was supposed to take 12 months but came at 11. Just a thought.

Angeloz

 

[C. Lee]

Point being, if Lois' pregnancy deviated radically from what is considered normal it would create interest from at least Lois and most probably also from her associations and most definitely from her pediatrician. This interest would lead to questions, the questions leading to answers that would implicate Superman's involvement.
If however the pregnancy followed a normal human course of events no suspicion would arise, and no investigative trail would lead to Superman.

But, as I was alluding to....if the gestation period is radically different because of the alien DNA, then when will it be noticable?

If the fetus develops rapidly....she could look like she is, say, 3 months pregnant, a week after she and superman had intercourse. If she had been abstaining from having sex for a long time before she and S hooked up...then she could suspect that it is his (but then the whole amnesia kiss comes into play, and she could be totaly befuddled as to who the father is).

If the fetus develops slowly.....she could have been carrying the child for six months before she starts to show and she realizes that she is pregnant. If this is the case, then she has less reason to suspect S as the father (and if the amnesia kiss comes into play, he is totaly out of the picture again) and depending on if she was sexually active between the time she slept with S and she figured out she was pregnant, she would again possibly have no idea who the father could be.

As for others asking questions....when it comes to her coworkers, the immortal words of Miss Manners and Dear Abby comes to mind..."What business is it of yours?"....and as to her OBGYN, most likely all she can say is..."I have no idea who the father is."

I don't see how any detail in SR could instill any reasonable doubt. It is the conclusion of the film.

It is the conclusion that Superman and Lois come to.....they have been proven to come to the wrong conclusion before in the past.

Is it? I'm not so sure it belongs to the Sci-Fi genre.

It is either Sci Fi or fantasy....and I have seen examples in both of gestation periods being not human normal for the storyline.

 

[Angeloz]

As an example on "Angel" Cordy has sex and almost had demon babies in a day. She woke up looking like she was 9 months pregnant.

Angeloz

 

[afan]

As an example on "Angel" Cordy has sex and almost had demon babies in a day. She woke up looking like she was 9 months pregnant.

Angeloz

And if anything even remotely similar to this had occurred in Lois' pregnancy; Richard most certainly would not be considered the father.

 

[Angeloz]

That was an example of a different gestation. TV likes to rush mostly.

Angeloz

 

[dr collossus]

Is it? I'm not so sure it belongs to the Sci-Fi genre.

Oh it does! This was the subject and conclusion of my undergraduate dissertation.

 

[Angeloz]

He's an alien? He does space travel. Seems like science fiction with fantastical elements (flying and the like). Though did you read the news Showtime029 posted about a flying "Superman" in Romania?

Angeloz

 

[afan]

For my part, Science Fiction must feature a facet of science or technology in it's make-up that is feasible based on our working or theoretical understanding of how the physical universe functions.


A film that features an alien might qualify as surely life out there is feasible but I'm not sure a film in which said alien can;
fly, effortlessly approach if not exceed light speed, lift islands into mid air and generate heat beams with temperatures that rival the sun's surface from his eyes, all made possible by the rays of a yellow sun, qualifies.

 

[Angeloz]

What about the fact he also looks like us? Seems pretty unlikely.

Angeloz

 

[C. Lee]

Today's science would look like magic to people from 2000 years ago....who knows how we would percieve alien technology......and just because he flies,it doesn't mean that there isn't a scientific explanation behind it. Kryptonians could have an organ in their body that allows them to control magnetic fields...thus giving them flight.

 

[dr collossus]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic."

Arthur C. Clark

 

[afan]

What about the fact he also looks like us? Seems pretty unlikely.

Angeloz

Theoretically not that unlikely. Depends on what you mean by "looks".
Some thought out there that an intelligent life form capable of possessing a technology would universally be humanoid. Which is not unsupported here on earth our closest relative and arguably closest in intelligence are the great apes.