Why so much hate for Affleck's Daredevil movie?

[hitmanyr2k]

Daredevil tried to be The Crow a bit too much. When I first saw DD all the similarities hit me in the face. And it didn't shock me at all when I found out The Crow was MSJ's favorite comic movie.

He pretty much tried to incorporate the whole style of The Crow into his movie (and didn't even do it half as good)....even went out and got the same music composer (Graeme Revell).

Never mind the roof hopping and the lighting of DD's symbol in fire, and the bar scene where DD takes out the thugs (which was obviously lifted from The Crow where Eric Draven goes nuts and kills all the thugs at Top Dollar's place). The main aspect where MSJ screwed up where The Crow succeeded was injecting a rock soundtrack throughout the movie. In Daredevil it was handled very clumsy to say the least. Just about every song that was played in that movie felt like it was shoe-horned in there and felt out of place whereas The Crow's soundtrack blended seamlessly (and that's probably because Alex Proyas was a music video director and had an expertise in that area).

 

[Ben Urich]

Yeah, Daredevil did seem like a pretty low-rent version of the Crow to me.
Like I've said (and others on this board have - I can't take all the credit), the team of Affleck, Garner, Duncan and Farrell could have come together to make a really great superhero movie. Instead, we got mediocrity.

 

[U.S War Machine]

The directors cut is really good. I think more people will the like the movie if they see the DC version.

Yep watched at my friends house thought it was really good and better action

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I think he did a great job and it was his best performance in my opinion (at least until I see him as George Reeves)...

 

[Marvel Man]

IMO, i liked the Theatrical version,Flawed But Worthy, But i Lvoed the DC! Ben Affleck's character made more sense in the DC and Elektra had more character progression through the whole movie. I admit i never read the DD comics and if i did i might be more critical like some of the people on here but all in all i say it was a good movie.

 

[ReptileOrion]

The theatrical cut was entertaining but the director's cut should be a classic. It is a shame MSJ had to cut the film. It sucks that these big movie CEO's want every film to come in 2 hours or under. If it truly brings down the quality of the movie what is the point. I feel if the directors cut was initially released the Daredevil film would have had better reviews and the fans would have enjoyed it more.

 

[Rizor]

I found the theatrical cut to be fairly entertaining. The Director's Cut is a pretty good movie, but I don't know if I would say it's great.

 

[Rac]

Nah, didn't like it. DC was slightly better than the theatrical. I hated how Kingpin didn't feel like the comic-Kingpin. I'm not racist but I think they should have cast a white guy. I don't know would it have make it any better but at least he wouldn't feel/look/act like a bad mofo straight from the ghetto. I haven't yet decided did I like Colin Farrel as Bullseye or not. Garner is hot but she's not Elektra. Affleck and Favreau were perfect.

And the story sucked. So did the fight scenes 'cause the wirework was too visible. I could still by the DC on DVD if I'd found it on 5 euros or less.

 

[Ben Urich]

What really killed both versions of the movie for me is Kingpin's demeanor. His actions are Kingpin-like, but the way he conducts himself just... isn't. He's smiling like an idiot in almost every scene he's in. I dunno about you guys, but I never pictured the Kingpin of the comics as being the type of guy to, uh, emote.
The fights would haven been great if they weren't so dependent on the wirework.
Elektra's training sequence is cool... but who's dropping those sandbags?
Playground fight. 'Nuff said.
Young Matt's bicycle kick. Hell no.

All things considered, it's not an awful movie, but what bugs me is that it could have been so much better.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, MCD should have cut off the grinning, period. Kingpin smiles a lot but he doesn't grin. There were moments were he seemed Kingpin-LIKE but then he'd just grin and ruin it...Didn't like his little roar when he snapped the guy's neck either. Should have just kept it down to a snarl...In the end MCD should have just calmed down a bit. The script was fine. MCD was just a little...excited and it showed.

Jennifer Garner imo was good as Elektra but there are people who could have done a better job. Especially when comparing the two movies you see how spot on the characterization is of Elektra pre-death and Elektra post-death. I should know. I have the original comics.

Playground fight was them flirting in their own way. Once I take it as that, I sit back and enjoy the fight.

Young Matt already explained his agility so I was fun with that. Just wish it looked more natural...The smile at the camera I didn't dig either.

As for the wirework, I was fine with that. Both DD and Elektra do a LOT of flipping and saumersaulting so I would have been dissapointed if wirework WASN'T present. To me they did the best they could and when things were bad, they used CGI (most noteable was DD's flipkick to Bullseye on the motorcycle which in the trailer was live action).

Juuust my two cents.

 

[Rizor]

Elektra's training sequence is cool... but who's dropping those sandbags? [/i].

The floor tiles can sense when weight is applied to it. This activates a computer controled grid which drops the sandbags in their appropriate position. Think Michael Jackson's Billie Jean video meets a lighting grid. It's BS, but you can rationalize anything.

I was watching some of this earlier and I don't think I like Affleck's performance. At first he seemed adequete, but it's an odd mesh of the character. When he's brooding, he doesn't seem so off, but then the next scene he's cracking wise and just seems like Affleck playing himself.

And that red floppy hair doesn't make things better.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, when he's being serious he has both Matt and DD to a T but when it's time for the more laid back scenes, he's back to Holden McNeil mode.

 

[Ben Urich]

There are times when I was watching the director's cut that I was just like "Affleck IS Murdock!" and "Affleck IS Daredevil!" Yet, there are other times when he just seemed... off?
The performance is very uneven, but more good than bad. He gets a lot of unfair hate because of this movie, which is sad. He's done far worse (Gigli, Skipping Christmas) and so has Marvel (X-Men: The Last Stand, Fantastic Four).

 

[deemar325]

My list of why DD sucked:

*Ben Affleck was bland and looked awkward in costume, add to the fact I just couldn't picture Ben as a kid who grew up in the ghetto as Matt Murdock did.

*Play Ground fight scene was campy and looked really fake.

*Poor CGI even something on the Sci-Fi channel would've looked better.

*Choppy story, it tried to do to much.

*The score and soundtrack was annoying, the score was especially cartoony 'Superhero' sounding which under the right circumstances (With a hero like Superman) it would've been fine, but DD isn't Supes.

*Jennifer Garner is hot and is has a natural talent for fight scenes, but she's not a commanding actress.

*King Pin I didn't mind casting a black guy for the role, but Michael D. Clark didn't have much to do and when he did couldn't bring the menace that is Wilson Fisk.

*In no way did I believe this movie took place in New York, it looked like Pasendena California with water towers.

*The fight scenes overall (especially Ben Afflecks) looked very second rate and Affleck looked unnatural fighting in DD's style.

 

[iceberg325]

Daredevil tried to be The Crow a bit too much. When I first saw DD all the similarities hit me in the face. And it didn't shock me at all when I found out The Crow was MSJ's favorite comic movie.

He pretty much tried to incorporate the whole style of The Crow into his movie (and didn't even do it half as good)....even went out and got the same music composer (Graeme Revell).

Never mind the roof hopping and the lighting of DD's symbol in fire, and the bar scene where DD takes out the thugs (which was obviously lifted from The Crow where Eric Draven goes nuts and kills all the thugs at Top Dollar's place). The main aspect where MSJ screwed up where The Crow succeeded was injecting a rock soundtrack throughout the movie. In Daredevil it was handled very clumsy to say the least. Just about every song that was played in that movie felt like it was shoe-horned in there and felt out of place whereas The Crow's soundtrack blended seamlessly (and that's probably because Alex Proyas was a music video director and had an expertise in that area).

IMO the crow is the best comic movie. I just love that movie.

 

[DarKush]

Nah, didn't like it. DC was slightly better than the theatrical. I hated how Kingpin didn't feel like the comic-Kingpin. I'm not racist but I think they should have cast a white guy. I don't know would it have make it any better but at least he wouldn't feel/look/act like a bad mofo straight from the ghetto. I haven't yet decided did I like Colin Farrel as Bullseye or not. Garner is hot but she's not Elektra. Affleck and Favreau were perfect.

And the story sucked. So did the fight scenes 'cause the wirework was too visible. I could still by the DC on DVD if I'd found it on 5 euros or less.

By casting a Black actor as Kingpin doesn't automatically mean the role will be 'ghettoized', which is the inference I got from your comment.

That being said, I don't think that MCD was 'ghetto'. He made one 'street' type comment to Wesley right before his fight with DD, about not being from the Bronx or somewhere. Other than that, he was pretty tame.

To some extent, that was the problem with the performance. Reading other people's postings, I do think MCD was a little too jovial in the role, he had a cat ate the canary expression a bit too many times, particularly with his exchanges with Bullseye.

I would've preferred a more sedate, cold blooded performance. MCD was a good choice, but his interpretation was off. And the script didn't help.

I felt the same way when watching Spacey's Lex Luthor and McMahon's Doctor Doom.

 

[roach]

if the DC was shown in theaters there would be a DD2

 

[Psax]

It was a really, really bad movie and the director's cut wasn't much better.

But for some reason, I like it. I know the movie is bad - it has waay too many flaws to be good - but for some unattainable reason, I like Daredevil.

 

[kirbyfan]

The directors cut rocks!! I had a bunch of friends over to watch it and at first they didn't want to, I asked them to give it a chance and let me know what they thought after it was over.

They loved it, they thought it had more of a story than most superhero movies and they said they couldn't believe that the DC version wasn't released in theatres.

They mentioned MCD as kingpin being interesting and wished he had more screentime. They loved Bullseye, and thought the fight scenes were way, way, bettet than that jumbled mess in Batman Begins.

I just thought it was cool that they actually loved the DC of DD. It is totally unfairly bashed, and it is one of the very best superhero movies ever made!!

 

[Savage]

I whole heartedly agree. It's one of those movies I can watch whenever, unlike the Spider-man or X-men movies where after the first time the experience is only half of what it originaly was. What I noticed about the so called "bad" Marvel flicks is that they hold up more on repeat viewings.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Daredevil tried to be The Crow a bit too much. When I first saw DD all the similarities hit me in the face. And it didn't shock me at all when I found out The Crow was MSJ's favorite comic movie.

He pretty much tried to incorporate the whole style of The Crow into his movie (and didn't even do it half as good)....even went out and got the same music composer (Graeme Revell).

Never mind the roof hopping and the lighting of DD's symbol in fire, and the bar scene where DD takes out the thugs (which was obviously lifted from The Crow where Eric Draven goes nuts and kills all the thugs at Top Dollar's place). The main aspect where MSJ screwed up where The Crow succeeded was injecting a rock soundtrack throughout the movie. In Daredevil it was handled very clumsy to say the least. Just about every song that was played in that movie felt like it was shoe-horned in there and felt out of place whereas The Crow's soundtrack blended seamlessly (and that's probably because Alex Proyas was a music video director and had an expertise in that area).

Yeah, trying to rip off the style of the Crow definitely hurt DD. I also felt that DD tried to hard to be a blend of Batman & Spider-Man. Plus Jennifer Garner flat out sucked as Elektra.

 

[deemar325]

Nah, didn't like it. DC was slightly better than the theatrical. I hated how Kingpin didn't feel like the comic-Kingpin. I'm not racist but I think they should have cast a white guy. I don't know would it have make it any better but at least he wouldn't feel/look/act like a bad mofo straight from the ghetto. I haven't yet decided did I like Colin Farrel as Bullseye or not. Garner is hot but she's not Elektra. Affleck and Favreau were perfect.

And the story sucked. So did the fight scenes 'cause the wirework was too visible. I could still by the DC on DVD if I'd found it on 5 euros or less.

You sure started off sounding that way, but either way MCD wasn't right for the part the way he played it.

Note: King Pin is from the so-called ghetto, white folks can be ghetto too.

 

[Triligors]

One reason that I can think of- FOX. Because alot are judging it without seeing the director's cut.