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The Rise of Skywalker Why the hate on Daisy Ridley's performance?

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I will admit that The Rise of Skywalker was the worst of the new trilogy, and the film had MANY flaws, but I don't get why so many people hate on Daisy Ridley's performance and calling it Razzie worthy? I saw her performance as good. Maybe not great, but she is a fine actress and gave a fine performance.

Can someone who hated her performance point to a scene in particular?
 
IMHO, it's not totally her fault. Ridley was forced to deal with changing directors and clearly a lot of indecisiveness on how to write her character. She did the best with what she had.

Not to mention all that nonsense with forcing that Carrie Fisher footage into the movie, which doesn't functionally work. And Palpatine returning and her being Palpatine's granddaughter, and her taking the same Skywalker.

A "Palpatine" being the hero of the Skywalker saga doesn't work IMO. When she takes the name Skywalker at the end of the film and buries Luke's lightsaber on Tatooine, it feels like a slap in the face.
 
I cant remember ever seeing "hate" or so thrown at the actors in terms of their performances.
I mean yeah Grace randolph blamed KMT and her acting on why she got harrassed, but then we arent talking about a person who uses her brain when opening her mouth.

Not even in ROS i saw much critcisim on the acting itself, its all the writing and stuff.
If i think about it, the acting in the ST was rather good all around.
 
Grace Randolph trashed Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman and blamed her on the movie "bombing" before it even came out.
 
IMHO, it's not totally her fault. Ridley was forced to deal with changing directors and clearly a lot of indecisiveness on how to write her character. She did the best with what she had.

Not to mention all that nonsense with forcing that Carrie Fisher footage into the movie, which doesn't functionally work. And Palpatine returning and her being Palpatine's granddaughter, and her taking the same Skywalker.

A "Palpatine" being the hero of the Skywalker saga doesn't work IMO. When she takes the name Skywalker at the end of the film and buries Luke's lightsaber on Tatooine, it feels like a slap in the face.
i think this is the real reason, though it’s not just TROS at fault here: all three films have wildly different priorities and plans for the character.

TFA introduces a tough action girl who’s story is just beginning, but who’s emotional arc makes sense.... and she’s almost certainly written as a Skywalker or Solo here, since there’s no way in hell Kylo is so totally loathsome and worthless as a Skywalker grandkid in that movie *and* being treated as such if he was intended as the only Skywalker. Ridley does her bets work here because this is the character she was first shown, someone she helped construct, and someone with believable interactions and relationship with everyone; it really helps to have Harrison Ford there as supporting cast, and John Boyega was the perfect partner to share the screen with, and Rey and Finn’s chemistry is 100%... and 100% better than anything else Rey gets up to with anyone else on the Sequel Trilogy.

TLJ reimagines her as a naive and somewhat passive observer and plot too, for Kylo’s arc; it needs to be admitted that her story in TLJ is utter trash as a follow up to TFA, primarily because the film is enamored with Kylo and can’t see the genuine fear and grief that Rey should not let go just because Kylo says “Luke started it!” while casually admitting to being a school shooter and still just being an @$$hole. This inhuman amount of compassion and gullibility hollowed out her characterization from TFA, and it’s not like TLJ actually gave her a plot thread going forward beyond “She could be anyone now!... What? That’s totally different from what Luke’s story was, because Rian Johnson can’t realize that ‘farmboy/slave form the space boonies is already a democratized Force message, stop trying to say that!”

TROS is just a mess from being what happens when JJ Abrams is trying to build on Rian Johnson’s ideas while following LFL’s directives... or to put it another way, what happens when you realize that Kylo Ren is enjoying Skywalker privilege, white privilege, male privilege, and producer favoritism, but you’re *supposed* to still make Rey seem like the main character while letting Kylo grow over the film like cancer.

Rey couldn’t be written like a real human around Kylo, because any real human who is experienced what she’s experienced would never hesitate to regard him as simply evil, wouldn’t have any stupid Dyad bond to him, and wouldn’t need him to do much but *exist* in order to consider the darkside... but gosh darn it, LFL needs her to care about and kiss Ben Solo, because he’s the only Skywalker.

Ridley didn’t have any real human place to get that emotion, so she just had to try emotions the intended emotions - which again don’t make a damn bit of sense, because the whole Kylo favoritism is screwing up the whole ST.
 
Is there really a large number of people hating on Daisy Ridley herself? Because I haven't seen anyone trashing her.

Ridley was fine. The bad writing wasn't her fault, and she did the best she could with what she had to work with.
 
i think this is the real reason, though it’s not just TROS at fault here: all three films have wildly different priorities and plans for the character.

TFA introduces a tough action girl who’s story is just beginning, but who’s emotional arc makes sense.... and she’s almost certainly written as a Skywalker or Solo here, since there’s no way in hell Kylo is so totally loathsome and worthless as a Skywalker grandkid in that movie *and* being treated as such if he was intended as the only Skywalker. Ridley does her bets work here because this is the character she was first shown, someone she helped construct, and someone with believable interactions and relationship with everyone; it really helps to have Harrison Ford there as supporting cast, and John Boyega was the perfect partner to share the screen with, and Rey and Finn’s chemistry is 100%... and 100% better than anything else Rey gets up to with anyone else on the Sequel Trilogy.

TLJ reimagines her as a naive and somewhat passive observer and plot too, for Kylo’s arc; it needs to be admitted that her story in TLJ is utter trash as a follow up to TFA, primarily because the film is enamored with Kylo and can’t see the genuine fear and grief that Rey should not let go just because Kylo says “Luke started it!” while casually admitting to being a school shooter and still just being an @$$hole. This inhuman amount of compassion and gullibility hollowed out her characterization from TFA, and it’s not like TLJ actually gave her a plot thread going forward beyond “She could be anyone now!... What? That’s totally different from what Luke’s story was, because Rian Johnson can’t realize that ‘farmboy/slave form the space boonies is already a democratized Force message, stop trying to say that!”

TROS is just a mess from being what happens when JJ Abrams is trying to build on Rian Johnson’s ideas while following LFL’s directives... or to put it another way, what happens when you realize that Kylo Ren is enjoying Skywalker privilege, white privilege, male privilege, and producer favoritism, but you’re *supposed* to still make Rey seem like the main character while letting Kylo grow over the film like cancer.

Rey couldn’t be written like a real human around Kylo, because any real human who is experienced what she’s experienced would never hesitate to regard him as simply evil, wouldn’t have any stupid Dyad bond to him, and wouldn’t need him to do much but *exist* in order to consider the darkside... but gosh darn it, LFL needs her to care about and kiss Ben Solo, because he’s the only Skywalker.

Ridley didn’t have any real human place to get that emotion, so she just had to try emotions the intended emotions - which again don’t make a damn bit of sense, because the whole Kylo favoritism is screwing up the whole ST.

Ugh dude this is so wrong on so many levels. Rey had character development in TLJ, she was struggling with her place in the story, and had a bond with the only other person who could understand that. By the way, Kylo isn't a school shooter (seriously, wtf) and the Rise of Kylo Ren comic proves that. The lack of compassion for someone who was manipulated since birth is really disconcerting.

TROS destroyed Rey's character by making Palpatine her grandfather. Because, of course, no woman can be powerful on her own, it has to come from a male. And they ended her all in white, virginal and childlike alone on Tattooine.
 
Is there really a large number of people hating on Daisy Ridley herself? Because I haven't seen anyone trashing her.

Ridley was fine. The bad writing wasn't her fault, and she did the best she could with what she had to work with.

I was never big on the Rey is Mary Sue bandwagon early on. I do feel like Episode 9 ruined her character. But I hold no ill will toward Daisy Ridley. She did the best she could with an awful script.
 
Daisy's fine. But TROS destroyed Rey as a character.
I loved her in TFA and TLJ. I loved that she had flaws, she made mistakes. I loved that she was a nobody, rather than someone from a famous lineage.

But TROS..... ruined her character. She became a symbol rather than a person, someone so amazing everyone followed her around like adoring puppies, someone who could actually do what Yoda, Anakin and Luke couldn't do. Destroy Palpatine.
She became a Leia rip off, complete with royal parentage and white hood. But most of all, they made her appear like a heartless b**** who let Ben Solo die for her but afterwards never gave him a second thought.
Bad character, bad writing.
 
I thought Daisy was great personally and she made Rey so appealing. But yeah TLJ and TROS didn't really help, but that was with pretty much every character.
 
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But most of all, they made her appear like a heartless b**** who let Ben Solo die for her but afterwards never gave him a second thought.
Now you see, this is where I think Rey was written into a corner with no good way out because of the various visions for her as a character and the plotline of the films.

The script is already having Rey kiss either just Ben Solo, a character she has shared no dialogue with and has almost no on-screen interaction with before their confrontation with Palpatine, or a Ben Solo derived from Kylo Ren, a former monster who once tortured and violated her mind before maiming and killing her friends, set her up to be tortured again fro hi sown benefit, and is a mass murderer and former dictator of a fascist regime.

All the development and knowledge that Rey would gain of who Ben solo was and what his motivation and reason for falling is must have happened off screen, or she mush have very shallow standards for what constitutes understanding and knowing someone. I'm inclined to think the answer is the former, that Rey was seeing and learning more about Ben during the mind-probe and hand-touching scenes... but there's no solid evidence she got that information.

So on the one hand you do have Ben Solo dying to resurrect her from a death she suffers that is a bit suspiciously under-explained, but you also have the meat and substance of their history which is negative and horrible, but you also have the Force Dyad idea, but you alos don't show them getting to actually know each other in a real way outside of that Dyad bond, but you also have Ben Solo's motivations and fall underexpalined and vague, but you also have etc.etc.etc...

The "right way to write Rey" in this sequence is horribly unclear, and depends entirely on what the priorities and interpretations of the audience member or creator are.

Can she be heartless about the death of someone who spent most of his time assaulting her and her friends? But can she justify kissing someone she doesn't care about? Should she even be considering kissing Ben at all? But doesn't that disagree wit the Force Dyad thing? Does it matter more to be sad about Ben Solo's death when he's only been on screen for about five minutes and has said 1 onomatopoeia? But he's a Skywalker, isn't he? But didn't TLJ say that wasn't supposed to matter? But it does *now* right? But wasn't Finn suppose dot be the male lead instead? etc. etc.etc.

Rey was written poorly is a commonly agreed assessment. But where did that begin? TFA, for setting her initially so against Kylo and daring to tease she might be a Skywalker and wasting her time with Finn? TLJ, for thinking Kylo could be attractive and engaging to her after what he did and leaving her with no real story outside of a hypothesis that she could be someone one new? TROs for going with a Palpatine story line and having her kiss Kylo? Or for having he rnot care abotu Kylo enough? Or for letting her get overshadowed by Kylo?

No one was going to get exactly what they anted out of Rey because her story was too fractured, schizophrenic, and pulled too many directly opposing ways form film to film... it just got reflected in the story for TROS more blatantly than it had in just the comparison between TFA and TLJ.
 
The only part of Daisy's acting I found questionable was her reaction to Ben dying. She just kind of starred off into the distance and JJ didn't give her time to react. Or maybe that was a reshoot and she was supposed to be reacting to something else. I don't know, I don't blame her though.
 
The only part of Daisy's acting I found questionable was her reaction to Ben dying. She just kind of starred off into the distance and JJ didn't give her time to react. Or maybe that was a reshoot and she was supposed to be reacting to something else. I don't know, I don't blame her though.

It's not like we have explanations of what it means to have a Force Bond and what happens when half of that bond dies...

Rey wanted a family and in the end, her chance at one died and she's left alone on a desert planet (again) in all white (because virgin!) with the twincest as her "chosen" parents.
 
Now you see, this is where I think Rey was written into a corner with no good way out because of the various visions for her as a character and the plotline of the films.

The script is already having Rey kiss either just Ben Solo, a character she has shared no dialogue with and has almost no on-screen interaction with before their confrontation with Palpatine, or a Ben Solo derived from Kylo Ren, a former monster who once tortured and violated her mind before maiming and killing her friends, set her up to be tortured again fro hi sown benefit, and is a mass murderer and former dictator of a fascist regime.

All the development and knowledge that Rey would gain of who Ben solo was and what his motivation and reason for falling is must have happened off screen, or she mush have very shallow standards for what constitutes understanding and knowing someone. I'm inclined to think the answer is the former, that Rey was seeing and learning more about Ben during the mind-probe and hand-touching scenes... but there's no solid evidence she got that information.

So on the one hand you do have Ben Solo dying to resurrect her from a death she suffers that is a bit suspiciously under-explained, but you also have the meat and substance of their history which is negative and horrible, but you also have the Force Dyad idea, but you alos don't show them getting to actually know each other in a real way outside of that Dyad bond, but you also have Ben Solo's motivations and fall underexpalined and vague, but you also have etc.etc.etc...

The "right way to write Rey" in this sequence is horribly unclear, and depends entirely on what the priorities and interpretations of the audience member or creator are.

Can she be heartless about the death of someone who spent most of his time assaulting her and her friends? But can she justify kissing someone she doesn't care about? Should she even be considering kissing Ben at all? But doesn't that disagree wit the Force Dyad thing? Does it matter more to be sad about Ben Solo's death when he's only been on screen for about five minutes and has said 1 onomatopoeia? But he's a Skywalker, isn't he? But didn't TLJ say that wasn't supposed to matter? But it does *now* right? But wasn't Finn suppose dot be the male lead instead? etc. etc.etc.

Rey was written poorly is a commonly agreed assessment. But where did that begin? TFA, for setting her initially so against Kylo and daring to tease she might be a Skywalker and wasting her time with Finn? TLJ, for thinking Kylo could be attractive and engaging to her after what he did and leaving her with no real story outside of a hypothesis that she could be someone one new? TROs for going with a Palpatine story line and having her kiss Kylo? Or for having he rnot care abotu Kylo enough? Or for letting her get overshadowed by Kylo?

No one was going to get exactly what they anted out of Rey because her story was too fractured, schizophrenic, and pulled too many directly opposing ways form film to film... it just got reflected in the story for TROS more blatantly than it had in just the comparison between TFA and TLJ.


Whoa, back up.

Since when did Kylo 'set up Rey to be tortured again?'
 
Rey wanted a family and in the end, her chance at one died and she's left alone on a desert planet (again) in all white (because virgin!) with the twincest as her "chosen" parents.
(Finn looks around awkwardly, recalling how Rey desperately wanted someone to return for her, then he unknowingly fulfilled that desire, got the crud hugged out of him when she had tears in her eyes, and fulfills every single aspect you’d need to be a found family member...)
Whoa, back up.

Since when did Kylo 'set up Rey to be tortured again?'
When he delivered Rey to Snoke aboard the Supremacy, allowing Snoke to throw her adoring the room and violate her mind as he himself did earlier, though Snoke was more successful, and Kylo was using this as an opportunity to kill Snoke with his goal the entire time being to seize the throne for himself, and a Rey if she would join him on the dark side and kills her friends.

*That* is what Kylo’s gameplan was when Rey mailed herself to him on the flimsiest of excuses in TLJ.

...Understand, both of you, I know we”re approaching from incredibly different and diametrically opposites interpretations of some scenes and characterization moments, and chances are we’re all invested in totally different emotional beats and ideas for them... but the films supply a lot of evidence for negative and poisonous views of Kylo just as much (and in my opinion quite a bit more) as there is for him being mostly just a horrible monster who would qualify as an abusive companion for the vast bulk of their shared time together, just as the films supply plenty of evidence that Finn could and maybe even should be her found family.
 
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Whoa, back up.

Since when did Kylo 'set up Rey to be tortured again?'

Oh he didn't. It's obvious too when Kylo and Rey are fighting the guards that he cares about her given his facial expression when she gets hurt.

Adam's facial expressions are the key to a lot of these movies. They say a lot about what Kylo is thinking.
 
Oh he didn't. It's obvious too when Kylo and Rey are fighting the guards that he cares about her given his facial expression when she gets hurt.


Adam's facial expressions are the key to a lot of these movies. They say a lot about what Kylo is thinking.

If actions speak louder than words, than they definitely speak louder than facial expressions.


Kylo put cuffs on Rey and handed her to Snoke, who then tortured her and violated his mind, i.e., exactly what he himself had done in TFA. He then used her as a distraction to kill Snoke, used her to survive the Praetorian Guards striking back, then demand she join him as rulers of a fascist empire and continue to observe the slaughter of her friends and allies (which Snoke had used to psychologically torture her mere moments before) called her nothing except to him in a classic “negging” manner.


Then when she rejected his offer after his short tantrum over why she doesn’t want to join him in slaughtering good people, and left him alive and free when she apparently had the chance to kill or try and capture him... he orders the ship she’s in fired upon after pinning the blame for Snoke’s death on her.


Kylo does not care about Rey. Kylo wants to possess Rey.


It’s Ben who’s supposed to genuinely care about her, the sentient being freed from Palpatine’s brainwashing by Leia’s sacrifice and formed through a conversation with a hallucination of Han.


And that’s where Ridley is at a disadvantage in trying to portray that scene, and why the writing can’t bring anyone fulfillment. The story is already sacrificing a realistic reaction from Rey towards the ex-Kylo in order to let Ben get kissed. If you want more, than you should probably want a *lot* more - like Ben Solo actually showing up earlier, or Kylo not being a horribly exploitive, possessive, and violent companion for Rey in literally every scene they share before the throne room one. Because Ridley can only bring so much emotion to someone who’s already being written in an inhuman way.
 
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Rey is so different in the movies, too. It doesn't feel like a natural character arc.
I know we viciously disagree on some things.

But on this general argument, we *do* agree on the diagnosis. The symptoms and caused? We’ll argue that.

But Rey definitely has a schizophrenic character arc.
 
Different directors and ****ty writing. The books flesh things out a bit better, but I can't say for sure what my verdict is until the TROS novel comes out. A lot can happen in that year between the movies and it may explain some things.

It'll eventually come around to her relationship with Kylo Ren/Ben Solo and I really don't want to get into that anymore.
 
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I don't think Daisy Ridley is bad in this movie or any of the other movies in the sequel trilogy, but that being said to this point I don't think she's shown me anything that says she's an elite talent either. She's just kind of okay. But even great actors have a hard time overcoming terrible scripts. Which The Rise of Skywalker most definitely had
 
I don't think Daisy Ridley is bad in this movie or any of the other movies in the sequel trilogy, but that being said to this point I don't think she's shown me anything that says she's an elite talent either. She's just kind of okay. But even great actors have a hard time overcoming terrible scripts. Which The Rise of Skywalker most definitely had
Ridley and Boyega both showcase far more scenes of “theatrical acting” in the ST than “cinema acting” - though neither style is necessarily greater than the other, they do have benefits and disadvantages. Driver spends most of his time doing more “cinema acting,” though all three actors have shown their range can go to either type if need be. Rey and Finn are simply meant to be more extroverted than the introverted Kylo/Ben, and are *meant* to have more emotional bluntness in their stories compared to him.

Theatrical acting is much more openly emotive and more “enthusiastic” in terms of energy. It’s never confused with “dull surprise” or cardboard cut out acting; the entire style is meant to be vivid and engaging whether JP close or at a distance. But it can suffer greatly when there’s a lack of focus or an artificiality to the characterization exposed by a script - it can become hammy, cheesy, or campy, or just seem like a bunch of loud nothingness.

Cinema acting is much more targeted at nuance, intentional ambiguity, and “intense quiet.” A small facial twitch or a slight change in posture are the tools of its trade. When it works great, it can engage an audience with a character on an intimate and familiar level, and it has a flexibility from the nuance and quiet nature of its emoting - multiple interpretations can be applied to scene, which can sometimes exponentially increase a performance’s meaning, or small issues with the plot can be covered up by ambiguity. It’s weakness, aside from the fact that some struggle to perform it and thus come off flat as a board, is that a bad script can sometimes create deeply contradictory interpretations of scenes and acting choices.

Ridely, Boyega, and Driver all started pretty well in TFA without much issue, at least in part because all three are naturally talented, and because they were helping to construct the characters a bit with Abrams and Kasdan’s scripts (especially during reshoots with Ridley and Boyega.)

TLJ was a bit different - I think that Driver had an easier time because the script was trying to is the ambiguity of his acting and the core idea of his character didn’t change much, but Ridely and Boyega both have scenes where they seem a bit lost for *exactly* what type of personality they’re playing because of the script’s different priorities and interpretations. Boyega tried to compensate by leaning into being funny and charismatic, which is why Finn comes off as a bit cheesy at times, while Ridley tried to go all in on the dramatic part, which is why she can seem a bit melodramatic there.

TROS is arguably the worst outing for all three. Again, Driver comes off best, likely because of his experience, but also because there’s still a bit of clarity in what he’s supposed to do as Kylo and Ben... arguably too much clarity, since it makes Ben seem like an improvised all new character instead of a redeemed Kylo, but the focus is there. Boyega simply isn’t asked to do all that much on an emotional level, while Ridely seems clearly a bit overwhelmed by the sheer schizophrenia of her character’s arc.
 
I will admit that The Rise of Skywalker was the worst of the new trilogy, and the film had MANY flaws, but I don't get why so many people hate on Daisy Ridley's performance and calling it Razzie worthy? I saw her performance as good. Maybe not great, but she is a fine actress and gave a fine performance.

Can someone who hated her performance point to a scene in particular?
I think it has to do more with general disappointment with the movies. If a movie isn't liked, even good or even just decent parts will receive ****.
 
Ridley and Boyega both showcase far more scenes of “theatrical acting” in the ST than “cinema acting” - though neither style is necessarily greater than the other, they do have benefits and disadvantages. Driver spends most of his time doing more “cinema acting,” though all three actors have shown their range can go to either type if need be. Rey and Finn are simply meant to be more extroverted than the introverted Kylo/Ben, and are *meant* to have more emotional bluntness in their stories compared to him.

Theatrical acting is much more openly emotive and more “enthusiastic” in terms of energy. It’s never confused with “dull surprise” or cardboard cut out acting; the entire style is meant to be vivid and engaging whether JP close or at a distance. But it can suffer greatly when there’s a lack of focus or an artificiality to the characterization exposed by a script - it can become hammy, cheesy, or campy, or just seem like a bunch of loud nothingness.

Cinema acting is much more targeted at nuance, intentional ambiguity, and “intense quiet.” A small facial twitch or a slight change in posture are the tools of its trade. When it works great, it can engage an audience with a character on an intimate and familiar level, and it has a flexibility from the nuance and quiet nature of its emoting - multiple interpretations can be applied to scene, which can sometimes exponentially increase a performance’s meaning, or small issues with the plot can be covered up by ambiguity. It’s weakness, aside from the fact that some struggle to perform it and thus come off flat as a board, is that a bad script can sometimes create deeply contradictory interpretations of scenes and acting choices.

Ridely, Boyega, and Driver all started pretty well in TFA without much issue, at least in part because all three are naturally talented, and because they were helping to construct the characters a bit with Abrams and Kasdan’s scripts (especially during reshoots with Ridley and Boyega.)

TLJ was a bit different - I think that Driver had an easier time because the script was trying to is the ambiguity of his acting and the core idea of his character didn’t change much, but Ridely and Boyega both have scenes where they seem a bit lost for *exactly* what type of personality they’re playing because of the script’s different priorities and interpretations. Boyega tried to compensate by leaning into being funny and charismatic, which is why Finn comes off as a bit cheesy at times, while Ridley tried to go all in on the dramatic part, which is why she can seem a bit melodramatic there.

TROS is arguably the worst outing for all three. Again, Driver comes off best, likely because of his experience, but also because there’s still a bit of clarity in what he’s supposed to do as Kylo and Ben... arguably too much clarity, since it makes Ben seem like an improvised all new character instead of a redeemed Kylo, but the focus is there. Boyega simply isn’t asked to do all that much on an emotional level, while Ridely seems clearly a bit overwhelmed by the sheer schizophrenia of her character’s arc.

It can also be part opportunity. I would agree that Kylo Ren is a more interesting character as consistently written in these movies, so he has the best material of the three to work with. But in other things I've seen him perform in outside of Star Wars films, Adam Driver has shown me he's a world-class actor. Just watch him in Marriage Story. That's a world-class performance that would have won the Oscar most years. I have not seen Daisy Ridley show me that, but again I'm not sure she's had a role where she was able to show that at this point. So she may very well have that in her or may develop that at some point in her career, I just haven't seen it at this point in time. A great example of that would be Matthew McConaughey. You would have called him a world-class actor until he started showing us more in more demanding movies.
 

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