Superman Returns why WB is so confident this time?

[newwaveboy87]

hmmm, today but being yesterday

*explodes*

...what now?

 

[newwaveboy87]

Thank god for Nolan. Cheers

*raises glass*

*chugs bottle*

 

[newwaveboy87]

effin' double post.

 

[The Kid]

...what now?

Now we go boldly where batman's gone before.

 

[newwaveboy87]

into a territory where his character is no longer correct and the fans are all confused as to how that happened? and why?

 

[XCharlieX]

so, you're ok with a Superman that fathered an illegitimate child, left the earth without telling anyone, comes back randomly, follows around a woman, ease drops on her conversations, and looks inside of her house?

Yeah for purists thats a death sentence, but there are other folks out there who wasnt bothered that much by these things lol. Superman was depicted as above the rules of regular mankind, and when he chooses to use this vip card, he can. Its the questionable issues that made it worth it imo. The goody superman of before, we can understand why they changed it for today. Why didnt Routh smile at the flyover at the end in space? Hes not reeves depiction completely, but they made enough homage to respect the past.

you're ok with a Lois Lane who while supposedly being a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist takes her young son abroad a yacht where a dangerous black out was found to have been at the location that caused it? a Lois Lane that has lost of her spunk, liveliness, smarts, and tough girl attitude, and has been replaced with a really angry soccer mom?

you're ok with a son being introduced that makes no plausible sense, and yes, i know he lost his powers. but Superman can never have children with Lois even if he lost his powers - he's not human. human's can't reproduce with other species, and seeing as how Superman is from a different planet - he's a different species.

Smarts is not just the Margot Kidder version of the character. This IS a slightly different universe, as even physically shown in the films. I thought that would be enough hint to show the alterations made with story and characters too. Kate Bosworth said anyway that this lois is different.

As for some technicality that comes from comic sense of how kryptonains breed, lol nobody cares about that in all honesty except die hards. I would think without being picky about comics, Kryptonians and Humans are similar enough to breed, if you even just look at them theyre identical. Once again the conception may have happened slightly differently in this universe, so the events of superman 2 may not be EXACTLY how it occured, but just enough to make a vague requel.

a Lex Luthor that has yet to have a scheme that doesn't feel repetitive, has yet to build his empire, and yet to lay claim to Metropolis has his city? a Luthor that still keeps around people who will turn around and backstab him at any moment? a Luthor that keeps around campy, and useless sidekicks?

At least there was no otis lol. Perhaps repetitive to you, but as a remix for a new generation, this was a stepping stone for future brand new adventures, to firstly say "everyone remember the past, now lets take what weve made modern here and bridge to the future."

you're ok with a Martha Kent that has been almost completely written out of his storyline? despite the fact that Martha Kent is as important to Superman, if not more so, than Aunt May is to Spider-Man? and what about Lana? we should've seen how Superman's return affected her as well - she's extremely important to the Superman mythos.

Saying Martha Kent had no reaction to clark coming home is a lie imo, and ... Lana? Who is that again? The point is there is ample time to delve into all of this if Singer sees fit, and if he doesnt then many would realize the smarts of doing it his way also, as he does have quite the instinct.

 

[The Kid]

into a territory where his character is no longer correct and the fans are all confused as to how that happened? and why?

ding ding ding ding!

 

[XCharlieX]

Once again in every board i must say this... correct to comics doesnt mean not correct at all. It was a smart film, whether people like to be malicious toward it for being a new vision or not.

 

[XCharlieX]

you can do Superman realistically, but when you bastardize his character through your storyline, i have a problem with that. you obviously aren't understanding what i'm saying.

This is another point.. comic fans have this issue also... they say someone can fit it to a film of their desire, but then they give this cop out vague statement after: but dont go too far. Their too far isnt always your definition of too far. Understand I think some fans are better of just not torturing themselves with the films at all because this is a gray area and you are setting yourself up for dissapointment like this randomly.

 

[The Kid]

Once again in every board i must say this... correct to comics doesnt mean not correct at all. It was a smart film, whether people like to be malicious toward it for being a new vision or not.

what are you on about. The malicious haters hate it because it's not a new vision like batman begins. It's a twisted version of an old movie.

They don't realize Singer wants to make Superman more bizzar--o--ish in his new version of Donner's universe.

 

[XCharlieX]

what are you on about. The malicious haters hate it because it's not a new vision like batman begins. It's a twisted version of an old movie.

I already went over this. You want to call the alterations twisted thats the flaw in logic as far as im concerned.

 

[The Kid]

I already went over this. You want to call the alterations twisted thats the flaw in logic as far as im concerned.

Explain.

Singer said he wanted to "take the same journey"

Therefore it is not unreasonable to assume he wanted to use STM and give it his own twist, is it not?

 

[XCharlieX]

Why didnt Routh smile at the flyover at the end in space? Hes not reeves depiction completely, but they made enough homage to respect the past.

this was a stepping stone for future brand new adventures, to firstly say "everyone remember the past, now lets take what weve made modern here and bridge to the future."

This IS a slightly different universe, as even physically shown in the films. I thought that would be enough hint to show the alterations made with story and characters too.

These subleties are lost on many die hards... the nature of die hards is that they feed their concept of the mythos so much and are proud o being stubborn that they are unwilling to understand how it has been done for the rest of us. Nobody told them to be so impossibly cartoonishly strict and one tract minded. This comment aout bizarr-o plainly shows this. Whatever the rest of us would see as updated, they see as crap and a bastardization. If theyd like to think so fine lol, but lets not pretend theres no craft in the brilliance o singer identifying the suble things to update while taking us on the same trip as before. Its kind of like the same pc with different parts here and there that make it run faster (for the rest of us). Once that is done, part 2 im sure will be quite a journey into the future more than homage.

 

[The Kid]

These subleties are lost on many die hards... the nature of die hards is that they feed their concept of the mythos so much and are proud o being stubborn that they are unwilling to understand how it has been done for the rest of us. Nobody told them to be so impossibly cartoonishly strict and one tract minded. This comment aout bizarr-o plainly shows this. Whatever the rest of us would see as updated, they see as crap and a bastardization. If theyd like to think so fine lol, but lets not pretend theres no craft in the brilliance o singer identifying the suble things to update while taking us on the same trip as before. Its kind of like the same pc with different parts here and there that make it run faster (for the rest of us). Once that is done, part 2 im sure will be quite a journey into the future more than homage.

He'll be more like modern superman in the next movie?

ok. Let's hope so.




















EVEN THOUGH THAT IS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE NOW.

 

[XCharlieX]

Without the stacked on homages ill bet. Its definitely time to get some new villains and not Luthor imo... Brainiac for example, but Supes may not act exactly how fanatics want him to still.. its still that new verse.

One thing that never ages imo is the opening credits and Marlon Brando as Jorel... thats now reinstated as a part of new school superman.

 

[The Kid]

Without the stacked on homages ill bet. Its definitely time to get some new villains and not Luthor imo... Brainiac for example.

LOL you say that now? It's been almost 30 years since STM. It's been time.

It's over Charlie. Any hope of seeing modern incarnations of superman are long gone after this film. He might as well throw a cellophane s in the next one or turn back time.

Thank

God

for

Nolan

 

[XCharlieX]

Id also like to add i loved the change they made with the catchphrases of superman. before Reeves Superman was a smiley guy who was "A friend". This one is a god who is "always around"...love it.

So in short, whatever.

 

[saint sinner x]

In my opinion superman returns is complete garbage that movie sucked monkey balls on a hot summer sweaty day. Seriously the fact that I hated the movie so danm much is because well, They tried so hard to pay homage to the original but it failed miserably, Spiderman 2, X-men 2, V for venddetta and of course the legendary BATMAN BEGINS now those are movies that kicked and rock major ass. Superman is dead and has been dead since the early 70's just look at the box office numbers and as for WB arrogance in the man of steel well they're in for a huge surprise because i'm positive that the sequel to superman returns will fail just like it's predeccesor. YEA I KNOW I MISSPELLED THAT OH WELL...

 

[The Kid]

Id also like to add i loved the change they made with the catchphrases of superman. before Reeves Superman was a smiley guy who was "A friend". This one is a god who is "always around"...love it.

So in short, whatever.

whatever?

Well there must be a lot of gods in the DC universe.

A LOT. OF GODS. I'm talking Jesus level Gods here. Mirical Workers. Goddesses too.

 

[XCharlieX]

whatever?

Well there must be a lot of gods in the DC universe.

A LOT. OF GODS. I'm talking Jesus level Gods here. Mirical Workers. Goddesses too.

And yet its all in the execution whether i see it as comedic entertainment or authentic feeling. Comic fans have a big ego for their comics... but the rest of us often need tweaking to buy its fantastical ideas.

I enjoyed superman 1 and 2... but as action comedy. Especially Superman 2. The criminals were hillarious. If they kept the tone of the first half of superman 1..id watch it in a different way. That was brilliant.

 

[The Kid]

And yet its all in the execution whether i see it as comedic entertainment or authentic feeling.

It's over Charlie.

 

[XCharlieX]

lol then folks smeared a good remake to death then.. i know who to blame.

I know what I saw, and I saw a good film.. whether superman is not profitable or not.

If no more films are made ill go back to my original franchises. No sweat.

 

[The Kid]

lol then folks smeared a good remake to death then.. i know who to blame.

I know what I saw, and I saw a good film.. whether superman is not profitable or not.

It's over for our beloved Superman.

 

[Triligors]

Superman Returns was one of the one of my favorite films of the summer and one of my favorite superhero films. And it is anything, BUT the death of Superman. So continue to fight the good fight Charlie. Others are just furious about the news announced by Horn earlier in the day.

Our and Ways. Superman ruled- Jason sucked. (Charlie, even though you're pro SR- go with this, you'll see)

 

[XCharlieX]

Booyah. lol