Superman Returns Wich Cast is Better?

[Penguin]

I Liked Brandon Routh and Kevin Spacey better.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Smallville's.

 

[Penguin]

Smallville's.

lol That's cool

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I did vote Reeve's though. SR is the worst casting of a Superman project ever.

 

[AgentPat]

Smallville's.

 

[lexlives]

I'll admit I am not a Welling fan but, after seeing SR, I feel Welling is a better actor than Routh. Not great but, given the choice, I'd take Welling. This from a Smallville "hater" so to speak. At least Tom is out there doing other things and trying to grow his craft. I am absolutely disappointed that Routh is doing basically nothing. Nice guy, which he is, is not enough to cut it.

Now the real SV actor I like. Durance. Looks, spice - she has it all. Makes Bosworth look like she should be Lana - ouch. Bosworth is not a bad actress -better than Routh is an actor. But Durance has the spunk, the tongue-in-cheek, the naughitness - in a nice way to be sure - that is Lois.

BTW, Rosenbaum too would have been a better Lex than Spacey - though a lot of that is the writing. SV's Lex is so much more interesting that Hackman's or Spacey's copy of Hackman. Singer just blew it on Lex. Give me SV's Lex any day.

 

[El Payaso]

At least Tom is out there doing other things and trying to grow his craft.

That doesn't make anyone a better Superman.

 

[lexlives]

That doesn't make anyone a better Superman.

Actually it does. I expect the actor playing Superman and being paid millions to be out there trying to grow his craft. Routh seems to not be doing that. He is waiting for the right offer so he says - he needs to get a clue. His acting is average and he is not going to be offered a starring role in a big budget film - well only if WB allows Singer to do a sequel. I am totally disappointed in him sitting back and doing nothing. Let's get real - no one or hardly anyone is knocking on his door.

At least Welling is out ther doing or trying to do other things.

I am not an SV fan and heaven forbid a Welling fan but I have a lot more respect for Welling now cause at least he is trying to grow his craft. Routh - a "short" with his girlfriend does not cut it.

So yes, and I never thought I would say this, Welling would have been a better choice for the lead role in SR. What can I say? So shoot me.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Bringing Smallville into this is sure gonna make things ugly but at least I didn't start it . Anyway, Tom Welling is ok but he is so overrated by the Smallville lovers. How can he even be factored in when he has yet to play Superman! I'll take Routh over Welling any day of the week, twice on Sunday.

 

[Billy Batson]

SR has the best cast ever!
Like ever!
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER AS GREAT AS SR !

 

[El Payaso]

Actually it does. I expect the actor playing Superman and being paid millions to be out there trying to grow his craft. Routh seems to not be doing that. He is waiting for the right offer so he says - he needs to get a clue. His acting is average and he is not going to be offered a starring role in a big budget film - well only if WB allows Singer to do a sequel. I am totally disappointed in him sitting back and doing nothing. Let's get real - no one or hardly anyone is knocking on his door.

At least Welling is out ther doing or trying to do other things.

I am not an SV fan and heaven forbid a Welling fan but I have a lot more respect for Welling now cause at least he is trying to grow his craft. Routh - a "short" with his girlfriend does not cut it.

So yes, and I never thought I would say this, Welling would have been a better choice for the lead role in SR. What can I say? So shoot me.

Please, how many crappy actors are out there doing tons of horrible movies and being paid millions for it?

So, no. Doing lots of things doesn't instill or reflect talent in any way necessarily.

That said, I shoot you.

 

[AgentPat]

Interesting discussion, but it's thin ice material in this forum. Tread carefully folks. May I suggest keeping it general?

Growing your craft *after* you've played a role is kinda like closing the barn door after the horses get out. It's great that any actor would want to improve their skills, but I would hope and expect that actors are initially cast based on their current ability and talent, not to mention potential to get the job done with a unique expertise. Otherwise, why screentest, y'know? In this regard, I agree with El Payaso; what the actor does after the fact is irrelevant to any performance that's already in the can. I'd go even further and say what the actor's opinions are (on *anything*), is completely irrelevant to their ability to deliver a solid performance. EG: I may be an expert on Vincent Van Gogh, but it doesn't mean I can paint like him. Going forward however, it's probably a good idea to practice your craft (whatever that might be) so that you can improve for future endeavors.

 

[Super Kal]

even though Routh did generally well in my eyes, he will never beat Reeve's performance.

 

[lexlives]

Please, how many crappy actors are out there doing tons of horrible movies and being paid millions for it?

So, no. Doing lots of things doesn't instill or reflect talent in any way necessarily.

That said, I shoot you.

So are you saying Routh is a crappy actor?

 

[Brainiac 2009]

Please, how many crappy actors are out there doing tons of horrible movies and being paid millions for it?

So, no. Doing lots of things doesn't instill or reflect talent in any way necessarily.

That said, I shoot you.

Agreed. I dont see how 'The Fog' and 'Cheaper by the Dozen' could improve anyone's craft. It certainly isnt relevant to improving a Superman performance, or in Welling's case...teenage Clark.


There are a couple reasons why Brandon edges out Reeve and Welling;

- Compared to Reeve, Brandon was the only one to play Clark/Superman in a believeable way (believeable as two different people) whereas in other incarnations you'd need to suspend belief drastically. Reeve played Clark as complete slapstick and drew attention to himself as Clark. Brandon's approach worked well for a real world film as opposed to previous attempts.

- In the six years of Smallville's run I've never seen Welling deliver a monolouge that topped Brandon's final speech to Jason at the end of the film; watch it over on DVD, its quite iconic.

If I were to compare first impressions based on Brandon in the film and Welling in Smallville season one (given they both started with no major experience), Brandon easily wins by a landslide. Welling was horrible at first, the butt of many jokes but he improved over the six years to being a decent television actor.

It's really stupid to assume Brandon can't do the same or better because he hasnt chosen a role in the few months since SR. BR.c reported he had loads of offers. He'd probably be wiser to pick his roles carefully than end up in "The Fog"

 

[Hunter Rider]

The two Lex's are fairly even since both played from the same source with Spacey throwing some edge in later on but as much as i thought Routh did Well Reeve had a presence that topped him as Supes although i preferred Routh's Clark

 

[Brainiac 2009]

The two Lex's are fairly even since both played from the same source with Spacey throwing some edge in later on but as much as i thought Routh did Well Reeve had a presence that topped him as Supes although i preferred Routh's Clark

Yup it certainly was close. It's a tough call. They both played Superman completely different too, though the darker tone of SR had alot to do with how Superman presented himself. He couldnt be the bright, confident Reeve Superman in the presense of Lois after all the pain he caused her.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

BTW for those watching 24 right now... Did I just see Kal Penn making a random cameo??

Wtf

 

[lexlives]

BTW for those watching 24 right now... Did I just see Kal Penn making a random cameo??

Wtf

That was him. He last year signed a devolpment deal with a major studio and offered Routh a cameo in the next Kummar film. Don't thnk Routh took it but, if the more talented Penn can take cameos. Well that sort of proves my point. I guess.

Sadly, Penn is far more a talent than Routh. Their post-SR careeres seem to be showing that. Routh was a mis-cast IMO and we are sort of seeing that in things like this.

 

[Penguin]

SR has the best cast ever!
Like ever!
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER AS GREAT AS SR !

 

[lexlives]

Interesting discussion, but it's thin ice material in this forum. Tread carefully folks. May I suggest keeping it general?

Growing your craft *after* you've played a role is kinda like closing the barn door after the horses get out. It's great that any actor would want to improve their skills, but I would hope and expect that actors are initially cast based on their current ability and talent, not to mention potential to get the job done with a unique expertise. Otherwise, why screentest, y'know? In this regard, I agree with El Payaso; what the actor does after the fact is irrelevant to any performance that's already in the can. I'd go even further and say what the actor's opinions are (on *anything*), is completely irrelevant to their ability to deliver a solid performance. EG: I may be an expert on Vincent Van Gogh, but it doesn't mean I can paint like him. Going forward however, it's probably a good idea to practice your craft (whatever that might be) so that you can improve for future endeavors.

Thin ice to be sure but discussing this should not be frozen out.

I am not a Welling or Routh fan by any means. Neither are natural actors like Reeve was. But I respect someone trying to improve their vocation. No matter what is is. Sorry if you are a Routh fan but I frankly think Welling is showing more attempts at growth and I can respect and do rspect hat more than what I see in actors who do not do that.

This is not easy for me to do - praise Welling, in context, as I am by absolutely no means a Welling fan. So if I have offended you as I Routh fan I apologize but I have to call them as I see them.

I disagree about initial castings. It is often on looks - I believe that is the case with Welling , Routh and, to mix it up, GH's Greg Vaughan as Lucky.

Its what looks-cast actors do after they are cast which tells me a lot. I don't like the looks casting but it is common in Hollywood.

GV is a looker but he embraced the role of Lucky, took classes after being cast and , as hard as Jonathan jackson was to follow, has after 3 years won even the naysayers over. If you know GH and Lucky that is quite a feat. He was just re-signed for another 3 years.

Testament to his work and effort. Sorry, I do not see Routh going that extra mile so far. And sorry, I do see Welling having at least tried to go that extra mile.

You can shoot me too if you want.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

That was him. He last year signed a devolpment deal with a major studio and offered Routh a cameo in the next Kummar film. Don't thnk Routh took it but, if the more talented Penn can take cameos. Well that sort of proves my point. I guess.

Sadly, Penn is far more a talent than Routh. Their post-SR careeres seem to be showing that. Routh was a mis-cast IMO and we are sort of seeing that in things like this.

It looks like a major starring role now though, he's in the 2nd episode as well.

Your theory sounds like bull**** however, much like your other ones.

 

[El Payaso]

So are you saying Routh is a crappy actor?

Please, how many crappy actors are out there doing tons of horrible movies and being paid millions for it?

If I state there are crappy actors out there doing tons of things and you say Routh is doing nothing, as opposite to 'lots of things, what I would be implying by that?

The day I agree with someone I'll go 'Yeah, compadre, I agree, you rock.'

 

[lexlives]

It looks like a major starring role now though, he's in the 2nd episode as well.

Your theory sounds like bull**** however, much like your other ones.

And that is my point - Penn is getting work and Routh is not.

 

[El Payaso]

Your point was Routh sucks because he's not doing a lot of other movies.

What's the point in stating who's doing more things? You go to imdb and find it out.