Wife wants hubby to know cross-dressing is OK

[Danalys]

women wearing trousers isn't cross dressing because they are women's trousers designed for women. just like a man wearing a kilt isn't cross dressing. trousers are just a lot more practical aswell hence the uptake of them by women.

 

[katie_girl09]

I'm sure that you, Manic and Majic mean no harm when you say you find it funny or weird but at the end of the day that's a human being with thoughts and feelings who's done nothing to you.

You make it sound like they wanna burn him or something. People are going to react to things that they see as uncommon. That's the way of the world.

 

[Manic]

I'm sure that you, Manic and Majic mean no harm when you say you find it funny or weird but at the end of the day that's a human being with thoughts and feelings who's done nothing to you. I don't think it's right that he be laughed at just because he doesn't wear the clothing that traditionally men are expected to wear

That's how I feel about it, anyway.

I see where you're coming from, but I think nothing is beyond being mocked in a mostly harmless way. I'm going to continue to laugh at people who wear clothes that I think look funny on them. That includes cross-dressers, people squeezed into clothes too small for them, people who wear neon lime green, dudes in pink polo shirts with the collar flipped up, people who wear bowties when not in formal wear, people who dress like old style French aristocrats, anyone over the age of 15 with a Hannah Montana t-shirt, and men who wear cravats past the 19th century.

Yes, people who wear that stuff have thoughts and feelings, but that so do I. And my feelings say "laugh."

 

[Mystirious]

You make it sound like they wanna burn him or something.

That's not my intent. I'm not accusing them of being prejudiced against cross dressers or those who are Trans as I am sure there not.

I'm merely saying that no one likes to be laughed at. With the exception perhaps of clowns. And that I don't feel someone should be laughed at for something like this.

Sorry if I'm getting preachy but I have close friends in a simmilar situation to "Roland" so this is an issue that's close to my heart

 

[Danalys]

ironically no one laughs at clowns

 

[Majic Walrus]

I see where you're coming from, but I think nothing is beyond being mocked in a mostly harmless way. I'm going to continue to laugh at people who wear clothes that I think look funny on them. That includes cross-dressers, people squeezed into clothes too small for them, people who wear neon lime green, dudes in pink polo shirts with the collar flipped up, people who wear bowties when not in formal wear, people who dress like old style French aristocrats, anyone over the age of 15 with a Hannah Montana t-shirt, and men who wear cravats past the 19th century.

Yes, people who wear that stuff have thoughts and feelings, but that so do I. And my feelings say "laugh."

Exactly.

 

[Prison Mike]

When I read that Dear Abby letter, I immediately thought of this...

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[-Arya-]

When I read that Dear Abby letter, I immediately thought of this...

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A horrendous movie but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't a guilty pleasure.

 

[kane9321]

i see this all the time here in SF

 

[Aesop Rocks]

First of all, Buffalo Bill was a fictional character, and he was sickly "in transition", meaning he wasn't just dressing up-- He wanted to actually BE a woman. There are differences, and I don't find you funny at all.

I don't see anything wrong with it. It's harmless, and so what if people enjoy it? Why do you have to make fun of something like that? Does it scare you?

Ed says hi.

 

[Mystirious]

Ed Gein was just a psychopath. Any psychopath is dangerous

However cross dressing does not make someone a psychopath. Being Trans does not make someone a pychopath. And to suggest that all people who cross dress or that all people who are Trans are serial killers is highly offensive and completely untrue. Millions upon millions of people are Transsexual or Transvestites. And they are perfectly ordinary, lovely people who do no harm to anyone.

There is nothing wrong with being Trans or a cross dresser. Somethng is only wrong if it harms someone. Being a cross dresser does not harm anyone, never has and never will.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I know it doesn't make you a psychopath.

 

[Mystirious]

Well my apologies then, but the posts you've made about it have seemed more than a tad insensitive and derogatory to those who are cross dressers/Trans

 

[Bboy]

Haha.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

They have?

 

[Bboy]

I personally think cross-dressing is really weird, no offence to anyone who's into that sort of thing hey.

 

[Mystirious]

They have?

Well, saying that you associate cross dressers in your head with Buffalo Bill and that all you can think of are serial killers when you think about people who cross dress. And then the Ed Gein post which seemed (To me, and sorry I was reading too much into it) to be comparing all people who cross dress to one, solitary nutcase. Which, to me is like saying that all Russians are evil because Stalin was Russian.

But if it wasn't intentional then again, apologies if I was reading too much into it or seeing things that weren't there.

I personally think cross-dressing is really weird, no offence to anyone who's into that sort of thing hey.

Why? I honestly cannot see what is so strange about a man who likes to dress up as a woman. If your not into it then that's fine but I don't see the need to label it as "Weird". I don't really see the need for labels full stop. Everyones different. Just because someone does something you don't it doesn't make them weird.

Diversity is what makes humanity great.

 

[Manic]

I don't really see the need for labels full stop.

I respect transvestites and all that, but that sentence is just full of it. It's idealistic crap. Language doesn't work that way. All people of all kinds are labeled. Labels are how we related the world around us to ourselves and what we know. Labels separate men from women, adults from children, sociopathic maniacs from the functionally sane, etc. You don't really mean that you don't see the need for labels. There are just some labels that you don't like being applied to some people because of certain circumstances.

Labels are necessary. If the word "weird" is unnecessary, then it invalidates antonyms like "normal." Without the ability to differentiate the usual from the unusual, we have no way to relate things to other things. Therefore, if you were to see a man walk down the street, rip off his own arm, and then proceed to eat it in front of a schoolbus, you wouldn't be able to call that "weird" because the word no longer exists in your vocabulary. But because "normal" has no meaning in a world where all things are normal, you couldn't even call it that. You'd have to call it "a thing that happened" without the ability to label it for what it is.


Sorry, but the "no need for labels" thing is one of my pet peeves. It's like when people claim to be colorblind in regards to race ("I don't see black or white. We're all just people."). It's not the teeniest bit realistic.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Well, saying that you associate cross dressers in your head with Buffalo Bill and that all you can think of are serial killers when you think about people who cross dress. And then the Ed Gein post which seemed (To me, and sorry I was reading too much into it) to be comparing all people who cross dress to one, solitary nutcase. Which, to me is like saying that all Russians are evil because Stalin was Russian.

But if it wasn't intentional then again, apologies if I was reading too much into it or seeing things that weren't there.
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Nah it's fine. I mean, I really don't mind cross dressers at all and I support people doing whatever makes them happy. What I meant by "the only ones I can think of are serial killers" didn't imply that I think they're all serial killers, by any means. My gay friend and her girlfriend go to a local gay bar and hang out with the transgender people there and I've met a few and they were all pretty polite and well respectful people.

Oh and, how do you have 1000+ posts in over 2 months when this is like, the first time I've seen you post on Hype?

Sorry, but the "no need for labels" thing is one of my pet peeves. It's like when people claim to be colorblind in regards to race ("I don't see black or white. We're all just people."). It's not the teeniest bit realistic.

I'm too afraid to openly agree.

 

[Mystirious]

Nah it's fine. I mean, I really don't mind cross dressers at all and I support people doing whatever makes them happy. What I meant by "the only ones I can think of are serial killers" didn't imply that I think they're all serial killers, by any means. My gay friend and her girlfriend go to a local gay bar and hang out with the transgender people there and I've met a few and they were all pretty polite and well respectful people.

Oh and, how do you have 1000+ posts in over 2 months when this is like, the first time I've seen you post on Hype?

Well I'm glad to hear that. And I spend most of my time on the DC and Politics boards to answer your question

I respect transvestites and all that, but that sentence is just full of it. It's idealistic crap. Language doesn't work that way. All people of all kinds are labeled. Labels are how we related the world around us to ourselves and what we know. Labels separate men from women, adults from children, sociopathic maniacs from the functionally sane, etc. You don't really mean that you don't see the need for labels. There are just some labels that you don't like being applied to some people because of certain circumstances.

Labels are necessary. If the word "weird" is unnecessary, then it invalidates antonyms like "normal." Without the ability to differentiate the usual from the unusual, we have no way to relate things to other things. Therefore, if you were to see a man walk down the street, rip off his own arm, and then proceed to eat it in front of a schoolbus, you wouldn't be able to call that "weird" because the word no longer exists in your vocabulary. But because "normal" has no meaning in a world where all things are normal, you couldn't even call it that. You'd have to call it "a thing that happened" without the ability to label it for what it is.


Sorry, but the "no need for labels" thing is one of my pet peeves. It's like when people claim to be colorblind in regards to race ("I don't see black or white. We're all just people."). It's not the teeniest bit realistic.

Look, I just I hate it when people call those who are different from them "Weird". There's no need for it. There's no need to call transvestites weird. There's no need to call homosexuals or bisexuals weird. There's no need to all furry's or S&M practioners or polyandrists weird. There's nothing "Weird" about any of those people. Their all just healthy, normal individuals doing the things that make them happy. But people still label them as "Freaks" and "Weirdos" all the time and they shouldn't. Because it's prejudiced and hurtful.

 

[Manic]

Look, I just I hate it when people call those who are different from them "Weird". There's no need for it. There's no need to call transvestites weird. There's no need to call homosexuals or bisexuals weird. There's no need to all furry's or S&M practioners or polyandrists weird. There's nothing "Weird" about any of those people. Their all just healthy, normal individuals doing the things that make them happy. But people still label them as "Freaks" and "Weirdos" all the time and they shouldn't. Because it's prejudiced and hurtful.

Okay, as long as you're being realistic and honest about this. Because let's be real; there's probably plenty of stuff and people you call weird. You just don't like the word to be used to describe you and your friends for the reasons you stated.

 

[Mystirious]

Okay, as long as you're being realistic and honest about this. Because let's be real; there's probably plenty of stuff and people you call weird. You just don't like the word to be used to describe you and your friends for the reasons you stated.

I don't like the word to be used to describe me, my friends or any of the groups of people that I mentioned above because there is nothing remotely weird about any of them. We and they are all perfectly normal people just doing their own thing and having a great time while doing it. Nobody has got the right to judge it as "Weird"

And I don't really label anyone as weird. And that's the truth of it. I mean if I saw a UFO or a ghost I would probably say "That was weird". But I don't label people people that way just because of what their into or the kind of life they lead.

I wouldn't like it if people judged me for things like that so I don't judge them.

 

[Manic]

But I don't label people people that way just because of what their into or the kind of life they lead.

What about members of NAMBLA? Or are you going to sit there and tell me that it's wrong to label pedophiles? Because not everyone who gets a label slapped on them and gets ridiculed by society is a harmless victim, you know.

 

[Mystirious]

I suppose I should have added "So long as their not harming anyone". Obviously if someone is a murderer or a pedophile then that's wrong. I thought that went without saying though.

To make myself crystal clear, I am talking here about consensual adults. My view is that so long as everyone is above legal age and everyone is having a good time then anything goes and it's not anyones place to judge, ridicule or label them for their lifestyle or sexuality.

And in addition the emotional and mental pain that can cause there are sadly always people looking to physically attack anyone they view as "Different" as well. And I feel that viewing people as "Weird" just because of their lifestyle just gives more ammunition to the bigots.

 

[Manic]

Like I said, people who say they hate labels are a pet peeve of mine. Don't say that to me unless you're willing to be incredibly specific.