TheCorpulent1
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Bleh. I'm really not on board with this Batman RIP thing. It seems like an exercise in futility to me.
The thing is, this is a problem that all of Western comics face. Marvel, DC, and probably others.
Have all of Image comics aged in real time? Because I can tell you, INVINCIBLE has been going strong for over 51 issues and Mark's still 18 years old and a freshman in college. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of growth in that story and 3rd part companies like Image and Dark Horse have more leeway than Marvel & DC because they're smaller fish; 4% of the industry on a good month (each). Has SPAWN aged? I have no clue.
It's a Western comics thing, which I think comes from taking comics for granted for so long and allowing the commercialism to overwhelm the artistry. Japan has a lot of commercial stuff with their manga and anime but they started that as an alternative to Walt Disney in the 20th century. Much as the original Fantastic Four were an "answer" to old school superhero books of the Golden Age, so was manga and anime, at least in theory.
80 years later and our cartoons still focus on talking animals geared for children.
In a way, that is why I can respect Archie. It's timeless but there are no illusions and no false promises.
Still, it is what it is. Obsess too much about this stuff and it becomes very hard to enjoy the big two. At the very least without becoming very cynical and bitter, which frankly a lot of fans are (with good reason).
The short answer is the "Marvel Time" paradox won't destroy Marvel. The core objective of the Joe Q era was to set up Marvel to gain enough capital from licensing characters out that if the comic sales plummet, they still will be in the black. They've succeeded in that, for the most part. The dilemma of "always selling to the same fans forever" is there, but on the other hand, quite often the kids that start reading comics do because their parents did. That's at least how I started (my mom literally dated an inker for G.I. JOE in the 80's).
A friend of mine once said the exact same thing. Small world, eh Corpulent1?RIP is affecting all of the ancillary Batman titles as well. I've always tended to favor those titles over Batman's own comics. His supporting cast interests me a lot more than he does.
Hear, hear.I don't get the kids who only read manga, saying that American comics are all the same. I don't get them and I hate them.
If you are forced at gunpoint to kill someone, you still choose whether or not to kill them. Some ethics are higher than the law (and that leaves aside the question of whether the law really requires such selfishness.) Don't want to be forced into selfishness? Don't go public. Or hell, work for changes in capitalism to accommodate more ethical business practices.Not really, if you are obliged to do something you can't really claim selfishness as it's not a choice.
Stop right there. It's not trendy to talk about why comics are good. Comic fandom is in full self-loathing mode and has been for about ten years, so focus on all the things that are wrong with comics so all the sad pathetic nerds can pretend like they don't really love comic books.Agreed! I actually like that Marvel characters don't age.
Actual time divided by four=comic-book time. Simple equation. For anything more than forty years ago, selective continuity applies, as dictated by the company or by your own personal selective-continuity-o-meter.Surely marvel time makes it more difficult to write in a shared universe, i mean if you want to reference the first iinferno crossover when in continuity did that occur?
Yeah. It sure the **** is.Its easier than you think.
We've all been ignoring the Clone Saga, Genesis, Millennium, and Iron Man's nose-mask for years. What's the beef?I am saying that to do that you have to ignore the official mandate on when the stories should occur.
Technically, Constantine moves in real-time. You'd be hard-pressed to find any more real development of the character than Batman has seen in the same amount of time, however. That's from one of the biggest Hellblazer (and Batman) fans that you'll ever meet.See. John Constantine, Savage Dragon, Goku and Judge Dredd. The best characters are real time.
And who doesn't want to read about Dazzler at age 67? Sign me all the way up!the x-men used to age they stopped in the late 80s. Imean if they aged properly they would be in their 50s/60s.
For one thing, you can easily transpose him to a number of different contexts that have just as much pain and suffering as the Holocaust. In fact, as a Jew, I'm tired of seeing the Holocaust exploited and exploited and exploited over and over again as a source of dramatic tension, to the point when nobody even cares about the actual tragedy anymore.What about Magneto? Its fine to change punisher from a vietnam vet to being a gulf war vet but how can magneto still have the interesting duality without the holocaust being part of his backstory? There is no other event that would be able to have the power of the holocaust in his origin.
"Is doing"? They did COIE once. Since then, all of their efforts have been either neutral or PRO-multiverse/hypertime. Especially right now.We're talking about Marvel, not DC. I don't agree with what DC is doing on that front since I consider it unnecessary.
If you are forced at gunpoint to kill someone, you still choose whether or not to kill them.
Some ethics are higher than the law (and that leaves aside the question of whether the law really requires such selfishness.)
Don't want to be forced into selfishness? Don't go public. Or hell, work for changes in capitalism to accommodate more ethical business practices.
Stop right there. It's not trendy to talk about why comics are good. Comic fandom is in full self-loathing mode and has been for about ten years, so focus on all the things that are wrong with comics so all the sad pathetic nerds can pretend like they don't really love comic books.
God, what a situation we've been forced into. Don't you get it, people? We won! We ****ing won! Now is the time to celebrate the comics we love, not look for artificially generated reasons to hate them!
ps your analogy doesn't work entering into a commercial relationship is not by definition selfish.
I was ascribing the position to readers wanting iconic characters to complete a life cycle not marvel itself.
As pointed out it's not a personal choice which is where i personally make the distincition. I don't really believe marvel has one in this regard. I would probably describe it as "rational" btw.
For one thing, you can easily transpose him to a number of different contexts that have just as much pain and suffering as the Holocaust. In fact, as a Jew, I'm tired of seeing the Holocaust exploited and exploited and exploited over and over again as a source of dramatic tension, to the point when nobody even cares about the actual tragedy anymore.