The Amazing Spider-Man 2 With Great Sequel Comes Great Lounging - Part 2

[TheLastBlade]

The script for TAS-M was anything but fine. The whole master plan for Lizard is a contradiction for who Lizard is in the comics.

Don't care about that. Use the whole excuse for not being like the comics is like saying every single is as bad as every drama comedy movie.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I don't care if he wanted to do something different. He wanted to help people and cure illness. He became the Lizard and realized humanity is screwed and the only solution is for everyone to become Lizards. It might be a little "cheesey" but it's not bad.

 

[TheLastBlade]

I don't care if he wanted to do something different. He wanted to help people and cure illness. He became the Lizard and realized humanity is screwed and the only solution is for everyone to become Lizards. It might be a little "cheesey" but it's not bad.

I can never understand this whole same and different argument. So people are complaining that it's another origin story and how it's "too similar?" And the fact that they use the characters to a different portrayal is bad because it's not accurate to the comic? I can understand it being tiring to get another one of those, but if it's the "same," then how come the main female character did something? I find the whole not being accurate to the comics highly hypocritical. If that's the case, people seem to give pass to the xmen film series and the christopher Nolan batman. That's similar to saying that call of duty can get away with being the same, but not Pokemon.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I think that the Spidey films can take inspiration from other versions of Spidey, not just the comics.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Don't care about that. Use the whole excuse for not being like the comics is like saying every single is as bad as every drama comedy movie.

I don't care if he wanted to do something different. He wanted to help people and cure illness. He became the Lizard and realized humanity is screwed and the only solution is for everyone to become Lizards. It might be a little "cheesey" but it's not bad.

I suppose some didn't care for the alterations when the script just gave Lizard an entire makeover and made him a lesser version of his comic counterpart. It's fine if it doesn't bother you, but it bothers someone who has Lizard as one of his favorite Spidey villains.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

But turn a huge population into lizards was the first thing that The Lizard ever did in the comics, and for similar reasons as the movie, to make a superior race of being.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

deadpool is a rental in case anyone was wondering. funny game, horrible shooting mechanics, decent enough hack and slash gameplay.

 

[TheLastBlade]

But turn a huge population into lizards was the first thing that The Lizard ever did in the comics, and for similar reasons as the movie, to make a superior race of being.

That's another thing I don't get... People claim that Peter has always been this sort of nerdy looking character like the Raimi films, but in reality, he's not supposed to stay like that. If people ACTUALLY read the comics, he didn't kept his glasses. Plus, he's a decent looking dude.

 

[Anno_Domini]

But turn a huge population into lizards was the first thing that The Lizard ever did in the comics, and for similar reasons as the movie, to make a superior race of being.

To make a superior race just because of his hatred over humanity. Not because he wanted to "cure" them like all of them have sickness and need help. No where in the movie does it show that Lizard hates humanity. That's the big difference.

That's another thing I don't get... People claim that Peter has always been this sort of nerdy looking character like the Raimi films, but in reality, he's not supposed to stay like that. If people ACTUALLY read the comics, he didn't kept his glasses. Plus, he's a decent looking dude.

And Peter doesn't keep his glasses in anything we've seen....lol.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

he does angrily call humans "weak, feeble minded" something somethings if i recall correctly. i guess that implies hatred on some level.

but that's besides the point; just because something is from the comics doesn't mean it works on screen. the lizard plan clashed tonally with the grounded universe webb was going for. it had other problems but that was probably the main one.

is the spider-mobile a good idea just because it was in the comics? should norman knock up gwen?

 

[Anno_Domini]

No you're correct, it did clash with this grounded aspect of Webb's universe, but such a grounded concept shouldn't even be the case when using someone like Spider-Man.

Imo, it works with Batman, it works with Green Arrow...those guys are powerless and their villains can be taken down a notch too but only if it actually respects the villain as well(sorry, Scarecrow ).

With Man of Steel, I heard that that was an idea for the film, to give it some grounded aspect to it, but in the end, it didn't seem like it and for good measure. With TAS-M, it doesn't seem like so grounded as mentioned numerous times by Webb before either.

BUT, when it comes to Lizard, it would be best to show his hatred over humans, and one quick line doesn't instinctively tell me he does hate humanity, but that's just me.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

yeah, lizard was just a big dud of a character.

- connor's struggle as an amputee was never shown. he seemed to function proudly, and competently, without it. he didn't cut his clothes like amputees so often do. we probably would have cared more about his character if we saw how hard his life was without an arm. this could have been very easily achieved.

- no family. lack of sympathy/empathy as a result. how did his work impact his family life? how did his missing arm impact his family?

- lizard transformation was inconsistently shown and there was no explicit statement by the filmmakers that he was getting progressively more mindless. once he was the lizard, he switched back and forth between a creature of rage and an intelligent man who just happened to physically be a lizard

- so was the lizard still connors? or did it corrupt him? we never got a clear answer. the lizard spoke as connors numerous times, and connors spoke like the lizard when still in human form. it's like, huh? is connors good or not? he clearly devised the plan to turn the world into lizards etc while he was human, so his transformation is lacking as a result. there's very little dr. jekyll and mr. hyde about it in the end, which is so ironic given how often it was cited as inspiration....

- lizard's plan was stupid. the gas would have worn off eventually, and everyone would have returned to being human. movie could have established that he had made the transformation permanent, but it did not.

- connors turns back into a human at the end and suddenly is good again. he laments the captain's demise, save's peter (even though peter can stick to walls???) and is generally shown to be normal and good. yet, this contradicts how he was still malevolent as a human earlier in the film, and it also ignores how the lizard's motivations to cure all amputees mirrored his own.

lizard/connors was all over the place.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

he does angrily call humans "weak, feeble minded" something somethings if i recall correctly. i guess that implies hatred on some level.

but that's besides the point; just because something is from the comics doesn't mean it works on screen. the lizard plan clashed tonally with the grounded universe webb was going for. it had other problems but that was probably the main one.

is the spider-mobile a good idea just because it was in the comics? should norman knock up gwen?

I never said it was a good idea lol the full blown, ravenous Lizard wouldn't be put to screen though, because unfortunate as it may be, Spider-Man movies are typically as kid friendly as possible, which is why the hospital scene in SM2 felt so out of place with everything else lol

 

[Repulsor Blast]

I never said it was a good idea lol the full blown, ravenous Lizard wouldn't be put to screen though, because unfortunate as it may be, Spider-Man movies are typically as kid friendly as possible, which is why the hospital scene in SM2 felt so out of place with everything else lol

lol, i think sam raimi just wanted to return to his evil dead roots. that scene was really well done, imo.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Man of Steel looks too pretenious and overly dramatic for my taste, like it's trying too hard to be complex. I can see why it probably has recieved a such mixed reception, nothing can spoil a movie quite like having an air of self importance. And from reviews I've read the writing didn't seem to really be there.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

lol, i think sam raimi just wanted to return to his evil dead roots. that scene was really well done, imo.

It was, and I know why he did it, it just felt so jarring and gruesome compared to the rest of the movie.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

It was, and I know why he did it, it just felt so jarring and gruesome compared to the rest of the movie.

i was watching spider-man 1 the other week and the final green goblin fight is surprisingly violent. i think a lot of pg-13 films these days are pulling too many punches.

i guess, if you want to play with tone, it should occur in isolated scenes, and ideally, before the third act. i highly doubt tasm2 is going to be a camp comedy, despite rhino being pantsed. the hospital scene in sm2 occurs pretty early, and the film doesn't become a horror-comedy like evil dead.

tasm1 actually attempted a horror movie type scene, but it just failed imo, due to feeling forced and the lack of skill on the director's part (marc webb does not direct horror, sam raimi was known for evil dead)

the scene i am referring to is of course the lizard looking for the ganali device, with gwen in hiding. the piano music is especially obvious.

so yeah, i say be inventive and flirt with tone here and there, but only if you are skilled enough as a director to pull it off

 

[Joe_Kickass]

I enjoy the scene and everything, it just feels so dark compared to everything else in the SM movies lol the nails being shredded on the floor, a guy clearly getting impaled by the claw through the stomach, another getting the claw stabbed through their face (off screen of course). It works though, but that's about as gruesome as these films are ever likely to be lol

 

[Repulsor Blast]

I enjoy the scene and everything, it just feels so dark compared to everything else in the SM movies lol the nails being shredded on the floor, a guy clearly getting impaled by the claw through the stomach, another getting the claw stabbed through their face (off screen of course). It works though, but that's about as gruesome as these films are ever likely to be lol

i think imma watch that scene again now :3

 

[ITheSymbioteI]

Turning the people into lizards, sure, yah, the basic idea. But in the cartoon, it's basically like the comics moreso when Lizard didn't care for humanity. In the movie, he wants to help humans.

And? Tons of CBMs (if not all) have deviated from the lore. The villain was the weakest link in an otherwise serviceable script in TASM, sure. Some of that again goes onto the editing where they cut a bunch of Dr. Connors stuff. Even so, he would still have been the weakest link in the movie.

What is so wrong about a villain that is misguided in wanting to 'evolve' humans because he sees after attaining his powers that life could be so much better? If ou really want to be a stickler to the comics, the whole Kryptonian retelling in MOS should have grinded your gears. Its nothing new and we've seen it in Hollywood before, let alone comics.

 

[Oscorp]

OK I'll perhaps answer your post later Anno, as I'm just not in the mood to discuss that further right now.

I just have to ask a question:

Does anyone know why Happy Endings season 2 (and 3) isn't released on DVD in region 2 yet? Will it ever be released??

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I got around to pre-ordering The Legacy Collection and I used some of my Amazon coupons so I'm getting it the day it comes out for $35.

 

[Anno_Domini]

And? Tons of CBMs (if not all) have deviated from the lore. The villain was the weakest link in an otherwise serviceable script in TASM, sure. Some of that again goes onto the editing where they cut a bunch of Dr. Connors stuff. Even so, he would still have been the weakest link in the movie.

What is so wrong about a villain that is misguided in wanting to 'evolve' humans because he sees after attaining his powers that life could be so much better? If ou really want to be a stickler to the comics, the whole Kryptonian retelling in MOS should have grinded your gears. Its nothing new and we've seen it in Hollywood before, let alone comics.

And what?

Lizard's story is a lesser version of his comic counterpart, and that's my point. It's a pure contradiction and just messes up of who Lizard is.

 

[Green Goblin]

And what?

Lizard's story is a lesser version of his comic counterpart, and that's my point. It's a pure contradiction and just messes up of who Lizard is.

Dude, in the early ditko days the lizard tried to turn people into lizards.

 

[TheLastBlade]

And what?

Lizard's story is a lesser version of his comic counterpart, and that's my point. It's a pure contradiction and just messes up of who Lizard is.

What "contradiction?" The thing about comic book movies is that they're not always the same like the comics. Are you seriously going to tell me that Bane from the Dark Knight Rises is acceptable?