Wonder Woman 1984 SPOILER Review Thread

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

His wish seemed kind of risky to me, wishing to become the stone? What if instead of keeping his body he literally turned into another stone? He'd have the power but be unable to use it, that's how the traditional ironic wish granting object would do it.
Max got lucky.

Well you saw all those research papers and articles on the stone, Max had been doing his homework on it and felt confident enough that he knew how it worked and could control it.

 

[SupermanFan]

His wish seemed kind of risky to me, wishing to become the stone? What if instead of keeping his body he literally turned into another stone? He'd have the power but be unable to use it, that's how the traditional ironic wish granting object would do it.
Max got lucky.

I thought the same haha

 

[Mysteryman]

mistakes were made! I watched the first movie before i watched ww84 and this made ww84 look like ****
I was always on board with Wiig as Barbara but they wasted her in this i mean to not even show her transformation and her reaction to it you know further develop her character she just appears in the 3rd act with no build up WOW but hah we got Lord going "shopping" in the middle east for 20 mins so mind numbing this decision

everybody's wishes materialize out of thin air so why not Trevor for Diana he had to be in another body didn't make sense at all and that scene at end with I'll never love again not sure how that played for everybody but if i was in a theater i would have left on that

needless to say i hated the movie not enough to ask for Jenkins head on a platter but lets get a good producer on board for the 3rd one plz

I think they created that convoluted way to bring Steve back because if he just magically pop ups unharmed, it kind of reverses his death. It doesn't seem like much of a loss if all Diana needs is a magical object to bring him back. So, they bring him back with a caveat.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh good lord, this movie is hilariously awful.

A magic wishing rock? Seriously? A plot device that must have been thought up by a child?

What the hell were they thinking?

A massive step backwards from the first film in just about every conceivable way.

 

[Mysteryman]

So, what Donnerisms or allusions to Superman II did you all catch?
What were some of your favorites?

 

[Mysteryman]

Oh good lord, this movie is hilariously awful.

A magic wishing rock? Seriously? A plot device that must have been thought up by a child?

What the hell were they thinking?

A massive step backwards from the first film in just about every conceivable way.

No less realistic than a Time Traveling Delorean that runs with the aid of a nonexistent device called a Flux Capacitor.

 

[FunkMiller]

No less realistic than a Time Traveling Delorean that runs with the aid of a nonexistent device called a Flux Capacitor.

A hell of a lot lazier though... leading to a film with a ridiculous, poorly thought out and lightweight plot, unlike the the one with the Delorean!

 

[shinlyle]

Okay...finally! A comic movie to talk about! It's...been so long.

I rate this on a gentle curve, though. My daughter had to go to the ER on Christmas Eve (nothing major, but to a 12 year old, an ER visit on Christmas Eve is MAJOR), and she just wanted to go see this movie at the Drive-In, which is always cool.

It was fun and dumb. The logic was nonexistent, the villains were 1 part campy (Lord), and 1 part Jamie Fox/Electro/Jim Carrey Riddler (Cheetah-Lite), and the story had a very implausible endgame (Everyone renounces their wish? Even Bruce Wayne whose parents were killed and he NO DOUBT wished for them to come back? I don't think so).

That being said, I enjoyed it because my girl did. The Steve Trevor bit was super dumb, since we saw that the rock could conjure things out of thin air, but whatever.

I give it a 6 out of 10. Better than all the Snyder-verse crap and Superman 3 and 4, and Batman Forever and B&R, but nowhere near the heights of the first WW film....although I was happy not to see the villain doing the weird butt-jiggle that both Ares and Enchantress did. I thought that was going to be a DC villain thing. (Seriously, watch the Ares battle...he used the same arms out shake hips move...it's weird)

 

[Mysteryman]

A hell of a lot lazier though... leading to a film with a ridiculous, poorly thought out and lightweight plot, unlike the the one with the Delorean!

I don't know, the third one with the Delorean stretched things just a tad.

 

[Micromind]

Come'on... once they decided to include magical rock in the story (and many Wonder Woman stories feature magical artifacts) the movie's tone was always going to be campy.

 

[FunkMiller]

Come'on... once they decided to include magical rock in the story (and many Wonder Woman stories feature magical artifacts) the movie's tone was always going to be campy.

It’s a strange choice, given that the first film had a fair amount of gravity and depth to it.

If WW 2017 was Superman The Movie. This was Superman 3.

 

[idiot09]

I really dunno what movie you guys saw. I mean cut out the mall scene, and this is a more serious movie than Aquaman or Shazam. I really dont get the campy complaint, and this is coming from someone who hates forced humor in CBMs!

I mean I can't think of a single time where a dramatic moment was undercut by humour. Bathos. I hate it, and makes it hard for me to enjoy mcu movies. This movie had none of that.

This movie has some problems, but I think its a well made movie from a technical standpoint!

 

[kguillou]

I really dunno what movie you guys saw. I mean cut out the mall scene, and this is a more serious movie than Aquaman or Shazam. I really dont get the campy complaint, and this is coming from someone who hates forced humor in CBMs!

I mean I can't think of a single time where a dramatic moment was undercut by humour. Bathos. I hate it, and makes it hard for me to enjoy mcu movies. This movie had none of that.

This movie has some problems, but I think its a well made movie from a technical standpoint!

Tbh I think i speak for a lot of when I say on paper the magic rock concept may not sound sillier than, say, a green magic lantern ring but its the execution that I think a lot of people chaffed against. The way Pedro Pascal was going up to everyone saying “what do you WISH for? Dont you WISH this for me?!” or how the climax was him yelling “Granted! Granted! GRAAANTED!” to the whole world through...television particles?

It just...it was off man. It was really really cheesy and campy how they executed this “monkeys paw” story. The climax was about how everyone around the world literally had to utter “i renounce my wish” for everything to return back to normal. It just...it cane off as something you’d read in a children’s book and not a PG-13 superhero blockbuster. Also, the lack of Wonder Woman doing...barely anything in this movie was very frustrating.

 

[Micromind]

Tbh I think i speak for a lot of when I say on paper the magic rock concept may not sound sillier than, say, a green magic lantern ring but its the execution that I think a lot of people chaffed against. The way Pedro Pascal was going up to everyone saying “what do you WISH for? Dont you WISH this for me?!” or how the climax was him yelling “Granted! Granted! GRAAANTED!” to the whole world through...television particles?

It just...it was off man. It was really really cheesy and campy how they executed this “monkeys paw” story. The climax was about how everyone around the world literally had to utter “i renounce my wish” for everything to return back to normal. It just...it cane off as something you’d read in a children’s book and not a PG-13 superhero blockbuster. Also, the lack of Wonder Woman doing...barely anything in this movie was very frustrating.

I think another draft or script revision could have "fixed" many problems, it would still have that campy tone, but they could have toned it down a notch.

 

[Steyin]

This movie was all over the place. I mean, the opening was great, but that mall scene, oof. Once you get past the maximum cheesiness of it, the rest of the film isn't so bad. Lord doesn't really have a plan, or rather has one that makes little to no sense, and it brings the entire film down. Did everyone's memory just get wiped of everything that transpired? Seems too big of a point to never be referenced in future films, but obviously the DCEU is not well planned or coordinated so it's understandable. There are some nice moments, good action, etc, but some really bad wire work, slow mo and effects mixed in so it counter balances those moments. Overall a decent film, nowhere near as bad as its being made out to be, but it could have been so much more. Forgettable really, will probably never watch it again.

 

[FunkMiller]

I really dunno what movie you guys saw. I mean cut out the mall scene, and this is a more serious movie than Aquaman or Shazam. I really dont get the campy complaint, and this is coming from someone who hates forced humor in CBMs!

I mean I can't think of a single time where a dramatic moment was undercut by humour. Bathos. I hate it, and makes it hard for me to enjoy mcu movies. This movie had none of that.

This movie has some problems, but I think its a well made movie from a technical standpoint!

It’s the central premise. When you hang an entire movie’s plot around a very, very silly macguffin, it’s hard to maintain any sense of seriousness or depth.

The magic rock is the antagonist in this film. And that’s awful.

 

[writer0327]

Patty Jenkins’ ‘Wonder Woman 3’ Plan: ‘Contemporary Story’ and an Open Door for Cheetah’s Return

“I have my reasons for making it ambiguous, and I think it’s not clear what her point of view [is] on everything that just happened,” Jenkins said. “I love that we wrap up Max Lord’s point of view, and that you see the culmination of that storyline, I think is so important. But the truth is there may or may not be more to come [for Barbara].”

Really? Bringing Cheetah back in a modern setting (38-40 years after WW84) says to me that she maybe hasn't learned from the logic problems she created with writing WW84. Is Cheetah going to be 75 years old in this? If not, why not, and is it plausible or even remotely interesting? Does this make the character better? Finding a compelling reason for this return is going to be narratively problematic. Is there some unresolved issue that Barbara needs to hash out with Diana, and if so, why does it take 40 years to do so? This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder if she knows what she's doing with this material or if she has any storytelling chops at all.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The antagonist is human nature: taking shortcuts to feed our greed and need for more stuff/power.

Maxwell Lord was just the most direct personification of that.

Just like in the original the human villains and humans are manifestations of the rotten side of human nature.

When the scales get way too imbalanced as it was during the war and then in '84, WW tips the balance back the other way.

 

[Closerframe]

Patty Jenkins’ ‘Wonder Woman 3’ Plan: ‘Contemporary Story’ and an Open Door for Cheetah’s Return

Really? Bringing Cheetah back in a modern setting (38-40 years after WW84) says to me that she maybe hasn't learned from the logic problems she created with writing WW84. Is Cheetah going to be 75 years old in this? If not, why not, and is it plausible or even remotely interesting? Does this make the character better? Finding a compelling reason for this return is going to be narratively problematic. Is there some unresolved issue that Barbara needs to hash out with Diana, and if so, why does it take 40 years to do so? This is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder if she knows what she's doing with this material or if she has any storytelling chops at all.

I hope most of the writers of WW84 don’t comeback, but if they’re gonna bring back Cheetah then they better simply chop it up to she didn’t renounce her wish and move on. The more they don’t mention the events of this movie, the better. Then again, there’s still a part of me hoping with Jenkins being busy with Star Wars she steps down and just becomes an executive producer of any future WW movies.

 

[idiot09]

I kinda liked how he made people say what he wanted. Showed his salesman type personality. The ending radio signal thing made zero sense to me, but ehh.

Sure WW was different in tone, but I mean that's a world war movie. They could have made a dark 80s movie too, but she wanted to homage the Donner stuff here. We cant fight for creative freedom, then want the same thing.

The execution was wonky at times(mall scene), but I dont get the Superman 3/B&R stuff. That's too far.

I hope WW3 pulls things close to the first movie for most folks tho. I cant imagine anyone would have went into this movie not wanting to like it. It's just so different from the first one, I kinda get the whiplash.

 

[kguillou]

I was totally down for a brighter 80s vibe for this movie. I was expecting this to be like Aquaman: a fun 80s action adventure with 80s pop music and a rockin’ synth score and everything. But thats not..exactly what Patty delivered.

 

[flickchick85]

The ending speech and everyone renouncing their wishes works for me because of the lasso of truth element: she was showing everyone the truth of their wishes and what it was costing, and they know it to be true because that’s the lasso’s magical power, so they instinctively know that the truth is that the only right course of action is to renounce.

 

[Schlosser85]

I was totally down for a brighter 80s vibe for this movie. I was expecting this to be like Aquaman: a fun 80s action adventure with 80s pop music and a rockin’ synth score and everything. But thats not..exactly what Patty delivered.

Thinking this is dumber and/or cringier than Aquaman is a little head-scratching to me, but okay.

 

[flickchick85]

Thinking this is dumber and/or cringier than Aquaman is a little head-scratching to me, but okay.

Ditto, but to each their own.

 

[kguillou]

To each their own. Aquaman’s premise and story was a lot easier to digest for me. And thats a movie that had Jason Mamoa ride a giant sea creature. Lol

Maybe its because Aquaman was so over the top and just owned it and went full bonkers is why it resonated better.