Wrestling: The Action Soap Opera Thread - Part 14

[venom892]

Basically bashing TNA as he's known to do often.

 

[Johnny Drama]

WWE isn't treating Punk well? The guy went from a program with Cena to a program with Orton. Granted, he isn't champion but really who tf cares anymore? Cena and Orton being the champs on each brand should further solidify that the world titles in WWE are just props, and even still, being an upper-midcarder in WWE is a bigger deal than being a main eventer in TNA. Punk can bide his time, a spot will open up for him soon enough, the fact that in one year he has feuded with The Undertaker, D-Generation-X, Rey Mysterio, John Cena and Randy Orton should demonstrate that the WWE does value CM Punk. It's not like Zack Ryder main evented 3 consecutive RAWs recently.

 

[The Batman]

^ But he should ME 3 consecutive Raws

 

[Metallo]

WWE isn't treating Punk well? The guy went from a program with Cena to a program with Orton. Granted, he isn't champion but really who tf cares anymore? Cena and Orton being the champs on each brand should further solidify that the world titles in WWE are just props, and even still, being an upper-midcarder in WWE is a bigger deal than being a main eventer in TNA. Punk can bide his time, a spot will open up for him soon enough, the fact that in one year he has feuded with The Undertaker, D-Generation-X, Rey Mysterio, John Cena and Randy Orton should demonstrate that the WWE does value CM Punk. It's not like Zack Ryder main evented 3 consecutive RAWs recently.

He's a jobber to the stars. I swear he LOST damn near every match he had with Orton and we all knew he wasn't going to do much against DX. His feud with Cena was brushed under the rug and I don't even want to mention half his work with undertaker. Punk and Taker redoing the Montreal Screwjob? that sh** was terrible.

They value Punks talent to work with different people but they don't value him enough to make him a legitimate contender in ANYTHING he seems to be doing recently.

About the best thing he did was with Mysterio and even that wasn't as good as it could have been and the SES just got stale.

Tbe upper midcard titles don't really mean sh** in WWE anymore either. The main event is the only thing that REALLY matters and Punk seems to be spinning his wheels there. If WWE TRULY valued him they'd make him a legit contender. Edge just retired and Jericho and Batista have both been gone. How much longer does the guy have to wait for a spot to open up? Thats three spots that already opened up. Two of them heel spots!

Michaels retired and Taker and HHH are both part timers at best. Thats three more spots. And yet Punk still isn't being given the chance to truly step up. Much like Christian it seems like younger talent are being given the opportunities and are passing him by to get those spots.

 

[Johnny Drama]

I agree with you 100%, WWE have their heads up their asses, but honestly, he needs to adopt Jericho's mindset. Roll with the punches and you will get your time.

 

[Metallo]

Jericho rarely ever got his time though. He was ALSO usually a jobber to the stars that got fed to Cena and HHH. Sure he got title runs but most of the time they were just long enough to be fed to Cena. They really let him hold the ball and run with it when he feuded with Edge.

The only other time he got to TRULY shine and show he was worthy of a top spot was when he was feuding with Shawn Michaels. And Michaels was giving enough and had enough stroke to allow Jericho that chance. Michaels is gone. and Cena and Orton are getting the super pushes to the point where most other people are just being fed to them. Not saying thats right or wrong but that seems to be the way it is.

Its sadly looking like Mason Ryan may get his first big push before Punk gets another one. Christian is like Punk: a guy that has worked hard and deserves a run at the top (even if it its one short time) but we don't know what the heck is going on there. Just because someone deserves something in WWE after workign hard doesn't mean they'll get it. Thats the sad truth most of the time. I'll believe a good top level Punk heel run when I see it.

 

[NDX]

Serious coffee for serious people.

Also, Iron Sheik on Carney Knowledge right now, he's a ****ing loon.

http://www.pw247radio.com/pw-chat/

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Jericho rarely ever got his time though. He was ALSO usually a jobber to the stars that got fed to Cena and HHH. Sure he got title runs but most of the time they were just long enough to be fed to Cena. They really let him hold the ball and run with it when he feuded with Edge.

The only other time he got to TRULY shine and show he was worthy of a top spot was when he was feuding with Shawn Michaels. And Michaels was giving enough and had enough stroke to allow Jericho that chance. Michaels is gone. and Cena and Orton are getting the super pushes to the point where most other people are just being fed to them. Not saying thats right or wrong but that seems to be the way it is.

Its sadly looking like Mason Ryan may get his first big push before Punk gets another one. Christian is like Punk: a guy that has worked hard and deserves a run at the top (even if it its one short time) but we don't know what the heck is going on there. Just because someone deserves something in WWE after workign hard doesn't mean they'll get it. Thats the sad truth most of the time. I'll believe a good top level Punk heel run when I see it.

CM Punk is a 3 time world champion.

I don't disagree that CM Punk can be treated better, he absolutely could, and even though I like Orton better than Punk, the way Punk was treated in his feud with Orton was lame. But Punk has been on the top. 3 times.

 

[Metallo]

CM Punk is a 3 time world champion.

I don't disagree that CM Punk can be treated better, he absolutely could, and even though I like Orton better than Punk, the way Punk was treated in his feud with Orton was lame. But Punk has been on the top. 3 times.

Just because you're champ doesn't mean your on top. For one thing even when Punk held the belt he wasn't always the focus even on the show he was champ on. Christian is a former world champ in WWE...that doesn't mean it was exactly well handled or his reign was very impressive. And when your championship reign is booked like sh** that doesn't make it very worthwhile

Kevin Nash is a 3 time world champion. Do most people really think any of those reigns were TRULY great?

Punks first title run was badly booked. The times when he traded the title with Jeff Hardy were his two most impressive wins/runs but Jeff was on the way out.

World title reigns are about QUALITY as well as quantity. I'll take ONE amazing Reign over 50 crappy ones. Punks a former three time champ? That just means he lost that sh** 3 times.

Besides they seem to give title reigns out like candy these days based on their plans. Jack Swagger is a f***in former World heavyweight champion. Technically Dolph Ziggler is a former world champion. You don't even thing Ziggler is worth much as a main eventer do you? Its about quality.

Hulk Hogans first four year reign looks a hell of a lot better than almost any from most 5 time champions around today. Why? QUALITY. His reign was lengthy and it matter and WWE put effort into it.

I'll take Shawn Michaels first WWE title reign over all three of Punks combined.

 

[Project862006]

tell you the truth punk was booked better w/o the title his whole SES run and mysterio feud and then his cena feud

he was booked much stronger and seen as a top guy than when he was champion

but christian would wish he was punk 3 title runs christian barely got 1 and he needed a rub from his friend to get it

 

[Dr. Evil]

I don't think anyone with any sense expected Punk to go to TNA. Why would he? If he wants BS he may as well stay in WWE because if he goes to TNA all he will deal with is BS for less cash.

Plus lets be honest he's worked in TNA and the indies before. Maybe he wants to end his career on the big stage making a lot of money. His best years are still ahead of him so he'd better use them to make a good living.

WWE isn't exactly treating him well but TNA would treat him worse with nonsense.

I think he should take a break and go to Japan or Mexico, where pro wrestling isn't treated like a joke there. I'd love to see him wrestle Jushin Liger.

 

[Johnny Drama]

You live in Japan?

 

[Metallo]

Chris Jerico as Thor...LOL!

http://pwinsider.com/article/57741/video-chris-jericho-is-the-god-of-thunder.html?p=1

 

[Dr. Evil]

You live in Japan?

No, but I have heard that pro wrestling over there is huge, and only baseball is number one in terms of athletic activities. Same for Mexico.

 

[Johnny Drama]

No, but I have heard that pro wrestling over there is huge, and only baseball is number one in terms of athletic activities. Same for Mexico.

It is, my friend. I was making a point that because it's Japan, you will have a hard time finding the matches on the net, unless it's a big event, so Punk going to Japan or Mexico does little for Punk or more importantly his fans.

I mean, if he sells out the Tokyo dome that will probably hit the net but good luck seeing him work on a regular basis.

 

[louiebling$]

Chris Jerico as Thor...LOL!

http://pwinsider.com/article/57741/video-chris-jericho-is-the-god-of-thunder.html?p=1

Jericho is GOD!!! That is Comedy Gold right there

 

[venom892]

I'm almost don't want Jericho to come back and instead get a sitcom.

 

[Johnny Drama]

bite your tongue!

 

[NDX]

No one watches sitcoms anymore, why would you wish that on him? At least wrestling has a (degenerate) fanbase.

 

[venom892]

You sure about that?How I met your Mother, Big Bang Theory and Two and a half man all had higher ratings than WWE programing. I'm sure there are other examples as well.

 

[Johnny Drama]

I was on Full House

Spoiler

I am lying

 

[NDX]

You sure about that?How I met your Mother, Big Bang Theory and Two and a half man all had higher ratings than WWE programing. I'm sure there are other examples as well.

Screw you and your assumed yet probably accurate ratings comparison!

 

[Kaleb]

I see smackdown is in Toronto next week,yikes I feel sorry for anyone that's not named Christian.

 

[The Sage]

Jericho rarely ever got his time though. He was ALSO usually a jobber to the stars that got fed to Cena and HHH. Sure he got title runs but most of the time they were just long enough to be fed to Cena. They really let him hold the ball and run with it when he feuded with Edge.

The only other time he got to TRULY shine and show he was worthy of a top spot was when he was feuding with Shawn Michaels. And Michaels was giving enough and had enough stroke to allow Jericho that chance. Michaels is gone. and Cena and Orton are getting the super pushes to the point where most other people are just being fed to them. Not saying thats right or wrong but that seems to be the way it is.

Its sadly looking like Mason Ryan may get his first big push before Punk gets another one. Christian is like Punk: a guy that has worked hard and deserves a run at the top (even if it its one short time) but we don't know what the heck is going on there. Just because someone deserves something in WWE after workign hard doesn't mean they'll get it. Thats the sad truth most of the time. I'll believe a good top level Punk heel run when I see it.

I'd say Cena and Orton getting super pushes isn't a good thing. They do this, and then wonder why they can't build new stars. If new stars are to be built, they need more top talent for them to face. It can't just be Orton and Cena.

One of the things that helped Cena rise to the top is that there was a lot of main-event talent for him to face and overcome. Shawn, Triple H, Edge, Jericho, Batista, and Orton. Same with Orton. There's no reason why Christian and Punk can't be elevated and look strong enough so that when a new guy beats them, it's a big deal.

tell you the truth punk was booked better w/o the title his whole SES run and mysterio feud and then his cena feud

he was booked much stronger and seen as a top guy than when he was champion

but christian would wish he was punk 3 title runs christian barely got 1 and he needed a rub from his friend to get it

He was booked better against Jeff Hardy. He was the best heel in the business for two months and the best worker.

 

[Wylie Times]

CM Punk is a 3 time world champion.

I don't disagree that CM Punk can be treated better, he absolutely could, and even though I like Orton better than Punk, the way Punk was treated in his feud with Orton was lame. But Punk has been on the top. 3 times.

Two of those title reigns lasted only a month, and the last one was 2 months. Sheamus has had more meaningful runs at the top.