Wrestling

[Bad Superman]

That's the problem though. The WWE doesn't have enough tag-teams to really feud with Kane or Big Show, and whenever a team is built up, either they release them or they quickly fade into obscurity.

You don't have teams like the Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, the Dudleys, Right to Censor, DX, or NAO to feud with other teams or the champions.

The WWE needs to build up a credible tag team division and make it to where fans can take it seriously. Now they just throw two guys together and hope for the best.

I can't understand why WWE hasn't worked on the tag-team scene. This is one of the most exciting features pro-wrestling had. It was the perfect way to build up new-comers. They began as a tag-team and slowly either both or the most skilled one was built up into a singles competitor up to great champions for example: Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Undertaker and others. I really miss the real tag-team scene in wrestling. It has to be brought back somehow.

On another subject, I wonder what are the chances of Rey Mysterio winning the World Title at Wrestlemania. . . .?

 

[3dman27]

I read that Eddie Guerrero deal and that guy is a moron. I know it's his opinion and he has a right to it, however, there's no way the WWE would do this and there's no way Eddie would've agreed to it.

Besides if he was really thinking, doesn't he think that if he were alive somebody would've saw him? It's not like he could've stayed in his house all day and night.

I miss Eddie very much and I'd love for him to be here once more. But the reality of it is that he's gone.

And as much of a bastard Vince is, there's no way he would do this either and he would damn well do anything, but certainly not this though because fans would be pissed off and stop attending the shows.

besides it's ILLEGAL to submit a fake death report also it would be considered by the feds as attempted tax evasion

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Kane is fairly mediocre in all aspects of wrestling,he is no Vader or Taker and is not nearly the worker or character Show is
If his movie is a hit he will continue doing what he is doing and that is play utility heel/Face in any given situation

I have to disagree with you there, as I believe Kane to be an underrated big man worker. He's got good mobilty and selling, and he has really good presence. His character even started out awesome, but has lost all credibility and coolness due to bad angles.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I have to disagree with you there, as I believe Kane to be an underrated big man worker. He's got good mobilty and selling, and he has really good presence. His character even started out awesome, but has lost all credibility and coolness due to bad angles.

He's not bad mobility-wise but his offense is basically just Taker's warmed over,in fact his whole routine seem's like a B-grade Taker,compared with the big men greats i don't think he matches up but my main point is that he is never going to be a World title draw in any form
Characters like his are better for blood feuds,even the legendary Andre never held the title due to the fact guys like him are better as secondary atractions and utility guys

 

[SLYspyder]

i think Kane is going to beat Triple H for the heavyweight title, just in time to promote his movie and in time for HHH to leave to take care of stephanie.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

He's not bad mobility-wise but his offense is basically just Taker's warmed over,in fact his whole routine seem's like a B-grade Taker,compared with the big men greats i don't think he matches up but my main point is that he is never going to be a World title draw in any form
Characters like his are better for blood feuds,even the legendary Andre never held the title due to the fact guys like him are better as secondary atractions and utility guys

I think he's kept Taker's style of offense for so long because they've had the whole brother angle going on. Christian and Edge is probably what should have happened with Kane and Taker.

 

[The Ghoul]

i think Kane is going to beat Triple H for the heavyweight title, just in time to promote his movie and in time for HHH to leave to take care of stephanie.

I don't think so because that would be smart booking. They'll Probebly put the title back on Cena & move Kane in some blood fueds (as HR stated) to show he is just as violent as his movie... Or have him come out Chokeslam a jobber and say "May 19... See... Nooooooo... EVIL!... HAHAHAHAHA"

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Anyone else plan on seeing that movie? I mean, come on the tagline is "Someone...is raising...KANE". I'll see it just for the novelty of Big Red on a movie screen.

 

[Mister J]

They'll definately have some sort of tie-in with Kane's movie. Vince is too much of an attention ****e not to. I may go see it. The trailer looked pretty wicked. Plus it's Kane, how funny is that going to be.

As far as Kane's booking, like I said before, he could still go over if the angles were right. For all intents and purposes, this guy should have been buried a long time ago, but the fans still dig him. WWE has never really let him be the monster they build him up to be. He should seriously start destroying people, starting with Masters. Then have a cross-promotional MITB at Mania and have him kick major booty. Of course, that won't happen. They're gonna book Masters/Kane at 'Mania and have Kane break the Master Lock there.

Oooooohhh, aaaaahhhhhhh.

Stupid transparent booking.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

I hope See No Evil ends up like Santa's Slay. "Santa" spears someone, military presses someone, says "Who's next!?" and has ominous music that sounds suspiscously like "Goooldberrg".

 

[Sabretooth]

i dont think he minds. like someone mentioned....look at his previous gimmicks. this guy'll just take anything WWE gives him, it seems. You never hear him complain unlike all the other depushed guys

I don't think he has much say as to where his character goes compared to someone like Undertaker. He hasn't nearly been around long enough to tell the bookers what's what,and even if he did,they would fire his ass. He isn't going anywhere at the moment,what would keep them back from releasing him?

And about being in stupid angles,every single wrestler has had good moments and just as many bad. The Undertaker has had some crappers like his feud with Gonzales and the urn becoming a necklace,for example.

 

[The Ghoul]

the movie doesnt actually look that bad from the trailer. Plus this one is being released & is catching internet buzz. I heard Cena's movie got canned, so to have the unutilized Kane is getting a deacent nod from non wrestling related sources. & Superhomie can't even get his gay punisher rip off made says a lot about how serious Vince is taking WWE films... I heard there were talks about a Show/Angle buddy-cop movie. whiich sounds awesome because Show and Angle are real funny & could easily crossover.

 

[Mister J]

God, I thought I was one of like, 12 people to see Santa's Slay.

Kane's gotta set something on fire and as it blows up, he does that thing with his arms. I'm sure we'll see that wacky/goofy smile of his as somebody's being hurt. Really, I'm holding out hope that he can't speak in the beginning of the movie and has to use a voicebox. Then, about midway thru, he can inexplicably develop coherent speech without it. Now, that's good movie.

Anybody here anything as of late about Austin's movie, The Condemned?

 

[Sarge 2.0]

I'll be happy if the only reference is a throat thrust or a chokeslam or something.

 

[Mister J]

I'll be happy if the only reference is a throat thrust or a chokeslam or something.

Seeing how The Rock has given several people the Rock Bottom on TV/film, I'd say a chokeslam or two is a go.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I really hope Kane and Show arent put in the MITB match however we don't know it will be a ladder match this time

 

[Sabretooth]

While we're on the subject of superstars in movies,who could forget Big Show in Waterboy?

''Powerbomb....courtesy of Captain Insano.''

 

[The Ghoul]

But it isn't nesessary,90% if not 100% of the audience will know who he is the whole time. Moviie goers want to see the serial killer not kane

 

[Sabretooth]

I really hope Kane and Show arent put in the MITB match however we don't know it will be a ladder match this time

I heard they were going to be in a title unification match with MNM. If that's true I hope MNM go over with Big Show and Kane splitting or Kane destroying Big Show.

 

[Mister J]

I heard they were going to be in a title unification match with MNM. If that's true I hope MNM go over with Big Show and Kane splitting or Kane destroying Big Show.

If this does happen and MNM goes over, it better be because Show and Kane turned on each other.

 

[Hunter Rider]

If this does happen and MNM goes over, it better be because Show and Kane turned on each other.

I would imagine it will be that or interference from Henry but it would be the right desicion given how good MNM are

 

[Mister J]

No point in having two tag titles when there's no real division anyway.

 

[da creole kid]

I like to reiterate that Kane is going to get his SERIOUS title push after his movie comes out.

Bad Superman- In your Tag-Team pondering, you are right about Michaels and Hart, but the ratings and other fan interest suffered during their primes.

However, Austin and Undertaker had alot to do with their gimmicks and their identities as single wrestlers. And in the case of Austin, the WWE was much richer and more prosperous because of it.

Anyway to answer why the Tag Team Division is such a mess now.

Prime Example: Cade & Murdoch

Their tag team is modeled of Edge & Christian in which the taller, handsome guy gets first build because he has highest potential for growth. However the key is that you are establishing two individuals who happen to be a team. As opposed to an actual team. The Dudleyz may bring butts to the seats, but the first Dudleyz overpriced T-shirt you buy is last overpriced T-shirt you buy. As oppose to two individuals where you might buy three.

Also it is hard to get anyone guy from the Dudleyz draw attention outside of the ring. With Cade and Murdoch Cade is a archetypical superstar, and Murdoch has such a freak show appearance he had potential that is hard to gauge (call it the Steve Buschemi Factor).

Anyway, their gimmick was solid. Two southern brawlers: one's a technically sound Good Ole Boy; the other, a down and dirty Redneck. However, unlike Edge and Christian, only Murdoch was decent with the mic. He could give good scripted banter, but ask him to ad lib he would fall into the mire (e.g. Edge).

Back in the day, Vince would have gotten a manager with some credibility to put these guys over; someone like Dusty Rhodes. However, managers sure as shootin' don't sell T-shirts, and it is better to allocate managers to potential headliners like what Paul Heyman did for Brock Lesner.

Nowadays, there are only two ways to push guys like Cade & Murdoch. A diva whose got very good mic skills (e.g. Melina of MNM and Trish Stratus of TNA) or another up and comer whose got first rate mic skillz and great character angle (e.g. Kurt Angle when he allied himself with Edge & Christian). That way you sell 4 T-shirts.

I read on Obsessed With Wrestling.com that Michelle McCool was going to be Trevor Murdochs valet, but they couldn't come up with angle to agree on. And I have a sneeking suspicion that she was meant to be Cade & Murdoch's valet but either her mic and/or wrestling skills did not come up to snuff yet. However, they still could have forged on if they allied themselves with Matt Stryker. However, I believe they broke up before Matt Stryker got a chance to establish himself. I believe it was because of Lance Cade's ego. Because as soon as they broke up Trevor Murdoch seem to get a little bit of a push from the organization.

To make long story short, it all comes down optimizing profits. Vince hasn't forgotten what brought him here but his a lot more sophisticated than its ever been and it is more important for the wrestler's themselves to remain committed to their company niches but work amongst themselves to explore the creative aspects of it- just like Stone Cold did.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Cena vs HHH is gonna run well into Kane's movie release timeframe and beyond then RVD and Edge will be the ones in line for a shot
What they may do is have Kane put into some sort of Phsyco fued with someone in order to promote his movie but it won't get him a world title run

 

[Hunter Rider]

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Triple H notices two midcarders getting dangerously close to over.
Triple H: HEY KNOCK IT OFF YOU TWO!!