Wrestling

[Super_Ludacris]

How long have you been watching Wrestling for? That was his persona. That's like changing Spiderman and Superman's costume.

WTF the dude is called the Undertaker and he's rolling out on a bike to some Limp Bizkit/Kid Rock looking like a Mid-Card WCW wreslter from the mid-80's (oh wait that's what Mark Calloway was before he was the Undertaker)

His matches were better? Man as the deadman the Hell in the Cell matches (vs. Homobottom Micheals in 97 for example) and casket matches and buried matches were dope.

Can't shake the architecht of this wrestling ****

the Deadman gimmick=consistent for 16 years
The Biker= Boring after a year

 

[Sarge 2.0]

He was unwatchable for 6 years to me,i hate the zombie stuff and lightning blowing up the ring
Biker Taker was a real chaarcter and his matches were much better because he actually bothered to sell the other guys moves instead of doing the zombie nonsense

Meh, he wasn't really a "real character", just Stone Cold with a Harley. There was more character from 1990-1999 than there was in the 2000-2003 period. Also, he sold mostly everything MNM and Henry threw at him last night.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ive seen Taker since he started and it wasn't until he worked Foley that he even interested me,his gimmick was always stupid to me,Magic and sacrifice and all that **** was just plain stupid
As Biker Taker he started wrestling proper matches,HBK playing pinball for him and Foley having the **** kicked out of him do not mean he was having great matches it means the other guys were giving their ass for him
When he turned into Biker Taker he seemed less of a freakshow and more a straight ass kicker,his promos were better and stopped making ppl look weak

 

[Hunter Rider]

Meh, he wasn't really a "real character", just Stone Cold with a Harley. There was more character from 1990-1999 than there was in the 2000-2003 period. Also, he sold mostly everything MNM and Henry threw at him last night.

He was fine when he came back as even though he still has the stupid gimmick circa 90's he is working the style he started using in 97 and then back in 2000

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Ive seen Taker since he started and it wasn't until he worked Foley that he even interested me,his gimmick was always stupid to me,Magic and sacrifice and all that **** was just plain stupid
As Biker Taker he started wrestling proper matches,HBK playing pinball for him and Foley having the **** kicked out of him do not mean he was having great matches it means the other guys were giving their ass for him
When he turned into Biker Taker he seemed less of a freakshow and more a straight ass kicker,his promos were better and stopped making ppl look weak

He wrestled proper matches during his Lord of Darkness period, hell, he even did well in the Hogan title match at SS '91. His matches with Bret Hart, the Rock, SC, and even Diesel showcased how athletic he was. When he decided to ride on the heels of the Attitude Era and change what made him cool and interesting, he was practically unwatchable. Hell, he wasn't even really the Undertaker any more...just the same guy you could see anywhere in wrestling at the time.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I think this is the first dude who hates the dead-man taker.

*hits him over the head with the Urn and throws him in the casket*

 

[Hunter Rider]

He wrestled proper matches during his Lord of Darkness period, hell, he even did well in the Hogan title match at SS '91. His matches with Bret Hart, the Rock, SC, and even Diesel showcased how athletic he was. When he decided to ride on the heels of the Attitude Era and change what made him cool and interesting, he was practically unwatchable. Hell, he wasn't even really the Undertaker any more...just the same guy you could see anywhere in wrestling at the time.

You should come over to DVDR Sarge,there is a long debate going about him vs Sting-who was better...this was my post on the topic

It's the tale of two halves
Stings first half 90-96 saw him booked against better workers for sure but i don't think that undermines how well he played his role,he was a charismatic and energetic worker who sold a convincing beating and made the best most athletic comebacks since Steamboat
On the opposite of this Taker had the most debilitating gimmick ever in the zombie routine and basically was a bore to watch 90-96 WWF pre Mankind series

From Sting disappearing into the rafters Taker enjoyed an awakening with the Foley feud and then had some good matches as champ in 97 with Austin,Vader and Hart before finishing the year with a great program with HBK
Come 98 both slipped into cruise control with sting returning to full time performing and looking a shadow of his former self and he would have only one more good match before the end of WCW in 2001

In 99 Taker was into the full darkside thing again but was still slightly better than Sting but it was on his return after 9 months on the shelf as Biker Taker that gave us his best period,both as heel and face from May 2000 to getting buried in November 2003
In that period he worked some great matches introducing submission holds into his repertoire,dropping the magic nonsense altogether and selling a lot more

 

[Super_Ludacris]

If he was such a bore how come people wanted him to go back to that deadman persona and he was one of the most popular wreslters during that 90's period (still is) that's what I gotta ask

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think this is the first dude who hates the dead-man taker.

*hits him over the head with the Urn and throws him in the casket*

No Draven agree's with me and so do a lot of other ppl,i know some pppl always want lightning bolt shooting magic taker who no sells everyone and Yellow Hogan but some of us prefer the less cartoony versions,no big deal

 

[Sarge 2.0]

You should come over to DVDR Sarge,there is a long debate going about him vs Sting-who was better...this was my post on the topic

It's the tale of two halves
Stings first half 90-96 saw him booked against better workers for sure but i don't think that undermines how well he played his role,he was a charismatic and energetic worker who sold a convincing beating and made the best most athletic comebacks since Steamboat
On the opposite of this Taker had the most debilitating gimmick ever in the zombie routine and basically was a bore to watch 90-96 WWF pre Mankind series

From Sting disappearing into the rafters Taker enjoyed an awakening with the Foley feud and then had some good matches as champ in 97 with Austin,Vader and Hart before finishing the year with a great program with HBK
Come 98 both slipped into cruise control with sting returning to full time performing and looking a shadow of his former self and he would have only one more good match before the end of WCW in 2001

In 99 Taker was into the full darkside thing again but was still slightly better than Sting but it was on his return after 9 months on the shelf as Biker Taker that gave us his best period,both as heel and face from May 2000 to getting buried in November 2003
In that period he worked some great matches introducing submission holds into his repertoire,dropping the magic nonsense altogether and selling a lot more

Hmm, what forum is that in? The 80's one?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

No Draven agree's with me and so do a lot of other ppl,i know some pppl always want lightning bolt shooting magic taker who no sells everyone and Yellow Hogan but some of us prefer the less cartoony versions,no big deal

Man only ****ing nerds on the internet say that go-against-the-grain bull****. In the real world the deadman Undertaker is a popular legend.

 

[Hunter Rider]

If he was such a bore how come people wanted him to go back to that deadman persona and he was one of the most popular wreslters during that 90's period (still is) that's what I gotta ask

some ppl watch wrestling for the characters they don't care what the matches are like,they just want gimmicks,thats why Taker had a cult following who loved that character and that is fine
But for me a guy that walks around the ring for ten minutes choking a guy was not entertaining and when i watch now i find his exploding of rings with lightning while a grown guy pretends to be scared very stupid
His matches once the bell rings are still fine except when he no sells finshers and won't job

 

[Hunter Rider]

Man only ****ing nerds on the internet say that go-against-the-grain bull****. In the real world the deadman Undertaker is a popular legend.

No it isnt about names,some ppl ust have different tastes,just cos some ppl like silly **** and some dont isnt a grounds for labels

 

[Hunter Rider]

Hmm, what forum is that in? The 80's one?

Non Stick Wrestling,its the top one on the main page

 

[Sarge 2.0]

some ppl watch wrestling for the characters they don't care what the matches are like,they just want gimmicks,thats why Taker had a cult following who loved that character and that is fine
But for me a guy that walks around the ring for ten minutes choking a guy was not entertaining and when i watch now i find his exploding of rings with lightning while a grown guy pretends to be scared very stupid
His matches once the bell rings are still fine except when he no sells finshers and won't job

Don't tell me you didn't cream yourself when he choked Hogan on the turnbuckle whilst rolling his eyes back in savage glee.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

some ppl watch wrestling for the characters they don't care what the matches are like,they just want gimmicks,thats why Taker had a cult following who loved that character and that is fine
But for me a guy that walks around the ring for ten minutes choking a guy was not entertaining and when i watch now i find his exploding of rings with lightning while a grown guy pretends to be scared very stupid
His matches once the bell rings are still fine except when he no sells finshers and won't job

Dude was one of the most agile big men in the game, and he was doing all that even when he was the deadman. That whole walking on the ropes the running knee to the gut, the run and slide under the ring, the powerful chokeslam he was doing all that in the ring, nothing slow there. Re-watch the tapes

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Don't tell me you didn't cream yourself when he choked Hogan on the turnbuckle whilst rolling his eyes back in savage glee.

I mean I didn't but I get your point. It's bad enough I'm watching two grown men in the ring in underwear groping each other. I dont need to cream over that ****.. ...............but point taken

 

[Hunter Rider]

Dude was one of the most agile big men in the game, and he was doing all that even when he was the deadman. That whole walking on the ropes the running knee to the gut, the run and slide under the ring, the powerful chokeslam he was doing all that in the ring, nothing slow there. Re-watch the tapes

Most of the things you are describing are post-96 except the chokelsam and the rope walking,with the occasional cothesline,i never said he didn't have agility but 3 spots in 20 mintues is not a lot
If you listen to his shoot intereview on off the record he talks about how he hated his first few years because he wasn't aloowed to speak or do the move set he was capable of

 

[Hunter Rider]

Don't tell me you didn't cream yourself when he choked Hogan on the turnbuckle whilst rolling his eyes back in savage glee.

I just wanted Macho Man to win funniest thing was when Hogan pulled Sid out and the crowd booed his ass off and for weeks later the WWE edited Hogan chants over the footage

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Most of the things you are describing are post-96 except the chokelsam and the rope walking,with the occasioanla cothesline,i never said he didn't have agility but 3 spots in s0 mintues is not a lot
If you listen to his shoot intereview on off the record he talks about how he hated his first few years because he wasn't aloowed to speak or do the move set he was capable of

Well I was talking pre-96 specfically 1991-1992. He may have hated it but he was doing his thing. End of the day though it's all about the deadman persona, he doesnt need to be a stupid biker to set the tempo more in the ring. That was a weird changeover

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well I was talking pre-96 specfically 1991-1992. He may have hated it but he was doing his thing. End of the day though it's all about the deadman persona, he doesnt need to be a stupid biker to set the tempo more in the ring. That was a weird changeover

The thing is in real life he is a Biker and he fit perfectly into it,it was a transition to a character that he needed in a time filled with Austin,Rock and HHH who were all realistic
Taker shooting things out of his hands and all the supernatural stuff was just to stupid,the attitude area was all about cynical anti gimmick characters
As it stands now his in ring work is solid enough even if he won't job and the entrance is cool but i miss his sarcastic big dog promo's as he never speaks more than line now and i also can't stand the stupid possessing announcers and blowing up rings stuff,i mean logic dictates why wrestle the guy just fry him and pin him lol

 

[Lobo]

Your favorite wrestler is The boogeyman and you know it

 

[Hunter Rider]

Your favorite wrestler is The boogeyman and you know it

LOL i just run his segments on,but hey they are getting viewing figures so who cares if he can't wrestle,i hoenstly think they should have kept him as a backstage character

 

[Jason Blood]

I can't believe how well MNM has progressed since their first match on Smackdown (then again they never were bad or anything)

Has Hardy quit doing the leg drop or was that elbow a one time thing?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

It was announced this past week on WWE Monday Night RAW that Bret Hart would be an inductee into the 2006 WWE Hall of Fame this year in Chicago, IL at the Rosemont Theatre on April 1. New reports are now indicating that Vince McMahon personally called Hart on or around the morning of February 5 to invite him to take part in the Hall of Fame ceremony this year.

According to reports, McMahon pushed the idea to Hart as a way for him to thank his fans and get a chance to provide some closure since he was never able to do so. It should be noted that when Hart accepted the offer, he kept with his stance that he would never work for WWE again and in saying that is not being paid for his appearance. WWE will however handle his travels and lodging costs for bringing him to Chicago with his wife.

One of the things Hart has continued to turn down when offered was getting involved in the current Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon storyline. This is no surprise as Hart has stated on more than one occassion that he would never involve himself in a WWE storyline, especially with McMahon or Michaels as fans might be given the impression that what took place in 1997 at Survivor Series was a "work" after all.

In addition to appearing at the 2006 WWE Hall of Fame ceremony at the Rosemont Theatre on April 1 in Chicago, Hart is also expected to appear in front of the crowd at WrestleMania 22 the following night at the Allstate Arena. This will be Hart's first appearance at a WrestleMania in 10 years. His last WrestleMania appearance was at WrestleMania 13 in 1997 at the same Allstate Arena when he faced Steve Austin in the classic Submission Match.