Wrestling

[The Batman]

From what I saw of the Spirit Squad this week, it seems like they can wrestle pretty well. Did you see the elevation of that one guy's leg drop?

they're pretty good...

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Should I get a Liger DVD for like 11.00 from Japan on Highspots?

Oh and I looked at the upcoming DVDs also and saw the Hogan Anthology. They had proable matches. It was decent with classic Hogan moments. But for the last match. Hogan vs. Shawn Summerslam. that match makes Hogan look like an egotastical ***** that he is and possibly one of the worst wrestling matches ever.

Well, it received tons of hype, so I can understand why it would be on there.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Come on, Sarge. All Edge does is whine.

*boo hoo*, "They won't give me a title shot"
*boo hoo*, "I'm Mr. MITB, nobody respects me"
*boo hoo*, "Don't blame me, I didn't steal your girlfriend"
*boo hoo*, "Shawn Michaels cheated"
*boo hoo*, "John Cena cheated"
*boo hoo*, "I beat Cena by DQ, I wanna rematch"
*boo hoo*, "Foley cheated me"

Granted, it's all storyline but he is the ultimate whiny heel. He must be doing a good job, 'cause I can't stand him.

I think giving him the belt, only to set-up the Foley match at WM was stupid.

I know he whines in character...but I thought he was referring to, y'know, Adam Copeland.

 

[da creole kid]

The Edge heel turn was one of the worst calculated moves in WWE history. Yeah, all heels are inherently whiny *****es, but they atleast have to be interesting. Edge is not in the least bit interesting. He's unentertaining selfish jackass who not as good as he was before his injury. So screw Edge.

I love RVD as ring performer but his mic skills are still god-awful. You cannot write storylines around a guy who can't give you any convincing dialogue. He's IC/US holder, a TV Champ (Please Vince! Create an inter-brand TV title) , and a secondary face WWE/WHT chaser- that's all.

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

 

[Mister J]

I know he whines in character...but I thought he was referring to, y'know, Adam Copeland.

OK. I don't think any of us could accurately make that call (what Adam Copeland is). Frankly, from the interviews/transcripts I've read and seen (especially after Lita-Hardy thing), he seems pretty mellow.

 

[Mister J]

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

Those omissions noted, there is still more than enough talent in WWE to put on a good show. People aren't complaining that there's a lack of star-power, they're complaining that the set-ups and storylines for what look to be the proposed matches absolutely suck.

 

[SLYspyder]

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

exactly, none of this was planned, and they had to make the best of the situation

 

[Hunter Rider]

LOL look Mania sucks because they can't book intelligently,RVD cur a great promo at ONS and they should have done a 4 way instead of having the stupid paper champ once again working the main event hog
The card sucks and there are no excuses

 

[Sarge 2.0]

LOL look Mania sucks because they can't book intelligently,RVD cur a great promo at ONS and they should have done a 4 way instead of having the stupid paper champ once again working the main event hog
The card sucks and there are no excuses

Exactly, with the workers they still have I could think of a card that's at least somewhat up to Wrestlemania standards. They just ****ed up the booking, and now their flagship is paying the price.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Lashley should not go anywhere NEAR Mania as far as I'm concerned. He's way too inexperienced at this point.

i call lashley the black brock lesnar but without the talent. i called him that the day he deburted and whats wuth him using the dominator anyway? they couldn't think of any othetr move cause he's suppose to dominate his oppents. as muc has i don't like jbl he should not have to job to the likes of the boogeyman and lashely

 

[Eric Draven]

RVD can't cut a decent promo, but then again, you could've said the same thing about Bret Hart back in the day. And back before Bret Hart became champion, the WWE didn't think Hart could main event. But they gave him a chance, and it succeeded greatly.

RVD's gimmick is basically that he's the Whole ****ing Show. It's the stuff in the ring that helps him get over. The crowd last night was solidly behind RVD and RVD worked his ass off in that match. Just the fact that he had to get bumped aside for Triple H (again!) just does sit right for me.....

 

[da creole kid]

Mister J- I don't disagree that WWE could do a better job; especially with the Cruiserweight division. But the entire point of storylines is to create star-power. hunter rider seems to be the only guy to understand that the WWE's first and foremost goal is optimize profits.

Example, remember when Jericho was the Undisputed Champion and it went absolutely nowhere. Jericho was beloved by hardcore fans, was a good performer, and was probably their best mic guy. But when he won against relative icons. Not too many people could buy him as champion and the ratings went down and more importantly the merchandising wares were not selling.

Now look at Cena, JBL did tremendous job of being a heel champion so unpopular that you prepared to have anyone be champion but him! About that time John Cena created "The Chain Gang" which more than anything gave the Cena fan-base a calling card. Something that made them feel that they are a part of a team. And like members of a team, they proudly wore the team colors and other things. The T-shirt sales and all the other merchandising knick-knacks (the most important of which are the Spinner Belt and the CD) sold like ****ing hotcakes and the ratings have increased during his reign.

Cena is making Vince a lot of money right now and he is going to be a main eventer for a long time. Or atleast until we see how much money Kane's movie is going to make Vince.

 

[Eric Draven]

The reason why Jericho failed as undisputed champion was because of Triple H and Stephanie. Seriously. I mean instead of Jericho's match at WM being about him and Trips, it was just about the marriage angle between Triple H and Steph. Jericho was just pushed as an afterthought in the entire feud and that just absolutely killed off any credibility Jericho had.....

 

[da creole kid]

No, Jericho was liked but he wasn't loved.

Jericho at that time was probably the best all-around mic guy. But that was only because he was never made a mistake. Jericho could only get so far with his Y2J handle and his "Jerichohlics" had as much appeal as Christian's "Peeps". He provided nothing that casual fans or fans who considered returning could hold on too.

Jericho was my second favorite wrestler and my third favorite character at that time. And I cringed, everytime he got bupkiss from the crowd when he was on the mic as Undisputed Champion. Triple H maybe an ******* and created a lot of problems for the business during that time, but Chris Jericho underwhelming reign as Undisputed Champion wasn't one of them.

 

[Mister J]

Mister J- I don't disagree that WWE could do a better job; especially with the Cruiserweight division. But the entire point of storylines is to create star-power. hunter rider seems to be the only guy to understand that the WWE's first and foremost goal is optimize profits.

I think we all understand about their wanting to make money. It's been referred to several times as far was why Cena continues to be on top. However, as critical fans, we're still going to call crap when we see it. This stuff is crap. Now, I don't doubt Vince should go after $, but it's not as if we're going to hold this shoddy booking in higher regard because it's profitable. Vince's is concerned with the money. I'm concerned with seeing a good product. As long as people keep the $ coming, Vince will put out whatever he wants. WWE kinda sucks right now, might be profitable, but it still sucks.

 

[Hunter Rider]

HHH buried Y2J,the night after he won the titles he was over huge as a cocky heel,it was whne HHH and Austin decided Y2J shouldn't go over clean against anyone and that he should be Steph's b1tch was when the problems started

Cena is selling T-shirts to kids but he hasn't popped a buyrate any bigger than Benoit did in 2004
This Mania line-up sucks because WWE have forgotten how to book properly,the MITB-II match is prime exmaple of lazy repetetive booking

 

[The Apatow Crew]

HHH buried Y2J,the night after he won the titles he was over huge as a cocky heel,it was whne HHH and Austin decided Y2J shouldn't go over clean against anyone and that he should be Steph's b1tch was when the problems started

Cena is selling T-shirts to kids but he hasn't popped a buyrate any bigger than Benoit did in 2004
This Mania line-up sucks because WWE have forgotten how to book properly,the MITB-II match is prime exmaple of lazy repetetive booking

i hope they don't go the same route with the MIIB 2 as they did the first one.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This card was fully achievable

World title-Angle vs Rey
WWE title 4-way-Edge vs Cena vs HHH vs RVD
Shawn Michaels vs Marty Janetty
Taker vs Henry
US title 2 out of 3 falls-Benoit vs Orton
IC title-Shelton vs Haas
WWE Tag titles-MNM vs Spanky/London
World tag titles-Kane/Show vs Carlito/Masters
Foley vs JBL

 

[The Apatow Crew]

This card was fully achievable

World title-Angle vs Rey
WWE title 4-way-Edge vs Cena vs HHH vs RVD
Shawn Michaels vs Marty Janetty
Taker vs Henry
US title 2 out of 3 falls-Benoit vs Orton
IC title-Shelton vs Haas
WWE Tag titles-MNM vs Spanky/London
World tag titles-Kane/Show vs Carlito/Masters
Foley vs JBL

that all seems pretty good. but how would they get JBL and foley together?

 

[The Batman]

The Edge heel turn was one of the worst calculated moves in WWE history. Yeah, all heels are inherently whiny *****es, but they atleast have to be interesting. Edge is not in the least bit interesting. He's unentertaining selfish jackass who not as good as he was before his injury. So screw Edge.

I love RVD as ring performer but his mic skills are still god-awful. You cannot write storylines around a guy who can't give you any convincing dialogue. He's IC/US holder, a TV Champ (Please Vince! Create an inter-brand TV title) , and a secondary face WWE/WHT chaser- that's all.

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

1. Nothing we can do about that
2. See 1
3. See 1
4. Striker's not a big name anyway
5. Booker T can probably wrestle a decent match
6.If WWE didnt jerk him around and bury him, maybe he'd still be here
7. See 6, specially since he was getting big pops

I hope you're not referring to christian and jericho when talking about ego. Those guys busted their ass in WWE, only to be constantly buried. I bet you if Trips didnt injure his leg, jericho would never have been undisputed champ. Christian was getting big pops from the crowd, and not only did WWE purposely bury him, he was still considered nothing more than a midcarder.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

yes the PEEPS what about the PEEPS? and the PEEPOULATION?

 

[Sarge 2.0]

yes the PEEPS what about the PEEPS? and the PEEPOULATION?

They're now situated in Orlando Florida, basking in Christians main event status and Heavyweight strap.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

They're now situated in Orlando Florida, basking in Christians main event status and Heavyweight strap.

the CLB is the champ? good for him then.

 

[Hunter Rider]

that all seems pretty good. but how would they get JBL and foley together?

Easy,just put Foley on SD in some capacity and let the talk turn to politics,JBL and Foley are on opposite sides of that and then have JBL heel it up and attack Foley leading to a match

 

[The Batman]

No, Jericho was liked but he wasn't loved.

Jericho at that time was probably the best all-around mic guy. But that was only because he was never made a mistake. Jericho could only get so far with his Y2J handle and his "Jerichohlics" had as much appeal as Christian's "Peeps". He provided nothing that casual fans or fans who considered returning could hold on too.

Jericho was my second favorite wrestler and my third favorite character at that time. And I cringed, everytime he got bupkiss from the crowd when he was on the mic as Undisputed Champion. Triple H maybe an ******* and created a lot of problems for the business during that time, but Chris Jericho underwhelming reign as Undisputed Champion wasn't one of them.

Are you kidding me?

Jericho's first appearance that fateful night in August 1999 is still considered by many the best entrance into the WWE ever, and those loud pops were from more than just his beloved fans. He was incredibly over in 1999-2000. When he won the undisputed title, the WWE did nothing to make him look credible. And then Trips came in and buried him. And as for Christian, he was getting bigger pops than cena. Jericho even admitted the only reason they put him in the match between cena and christian was because they knew christian would get more pops.

Jericho and Chrisitan had all the potential in the world, but WWE apparently doesnt like having talented wrestlers with charisma in the ME, just half assed vanilla ice's and musclebound 22 year old's, and razor ramon ripoffs.