Sequels X-Men Live-Action TV Show in Development at Fox

[Fincher]

If a separate continuity means no January Jones, then bring on the separate continuity.

 

[2kt09]

I would personally love a mix between Gotham and Agent Carter.
No offense to AoS fans, but it's not my kind of show.

 

[def28]

I'm sure Hellfire would love a strong reception, solid ratings, and three seasons.

Yeah, AOS itself is getting a spinoff and has gotten good reviews and a long life. Hellfire would love to have that success and fanbase.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm sure Hellfire would love a strong reception, solid ratings, and three seasons.

I've seen even the strongest supporters say that the first half was hobbled due to Winter Soldier.

 

[Flint Marko]

I've seen even the strongest supporters say that the first half was hobbled due to Winter Soldier.

It was jogging in place for a minute until it tied into the Winter Soldier, and then it became great.
Frankly I think it's an apples and oranges comparison when you consider that the MCU is so much bigger than the X-men franchise in scope and number of installments, not to mention that the X-men "continuity" is riddled with problems. All this to say that if they wanted to they could tie in the show with the movies in any capacity and it wouldn't take near as much effort and, as Agents of Shield has since proven, can be done without harming the quality of the show.
I'm not saying it can't be good without connecting it to the films, I'm just saying that at this moment I don't see why not and I don't think AoS is a good example for what you are talking about.

 

[Eddie]

I've seen even the strongest supporters say that the first half was hobbled due to Winter Soldier.

Uh... the other way to read this is the show got exponentially better the moment it did a major film tie-in. The Winter Soldier twist is basically the exact moment more fans started loving the show. That's a positive for doing an MCU show, not a negative. AoS has since explained where AoU's Helicarrier came from, why Hydra still exists in Ant-Man despite being seemingly defeated in AoU, and it introduced Darkforce, which ties into Strange according to an Agent Carter showrunner.

 

[Frankeh]

All I know is, if Hellfire doesn't have Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost and/or Selene, I'm out.

 

[Eddie]

Emma and/or Selene sounded likely based on the premise. Tough to say, though.

 

[psylockolussus]

I mean, do we really want a repeat of Agents of Shield?

No thank you.

 

[psylockolussus]

I've seen even the strongest supporters say that the first half was hobbled due to Winter Soldier.

It says a lot that the show needed to rely "Winter Soldier's action" for it to become better.

And I don't think the show is "great". I mean if its getting Emmy/Golden Globes nomination for its writing/directing/acting or if its getting inducted in AFI's annual top 10 shows, then sure. Even ScreenJunkies couldn't tell if its the show is already good or not after the 2nd season. I'm not even gonna tell my personal opinion about the show because that'd be a long read.

And this argument that "its getting a 3rd season". Well ABC's Nashville is already in its season four, are we gonna act that its some great show too? I practically watch every ABC drama show and most of them (that made it to the 2nd season) at least got a fourth season. And of course it should get a 3rd season! Its the spin-off show of the Avengers/MCU and I've read from tvbythenumbers that ABC definitely expected higher ratings and not just middle-of-the-road ratings that would keep it alive for 4 seasons and syndication purposes. So not great. And I'd rather want Fox to kill off Hellfire than to experience what AOS experienced since it aired.

 

[Zarex]

AOS has been good, but most would agree that the Marvel shows not in "real time" with the MCU and less dependent upon what happens on the big screen have been of higher quality. It was a fun experiment - the weeks in Spring, 2014 when characters and plot points were bouncing back and forth from the big screen to the small screen was exciting and something that had never been attempted before. But the show has been limited by it being a direct MCU spin-off.

In any case, I doubt Marvel (or FOX) would do a "real time" in continuity show after AOS wraps up its successful TV run.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It says a lot that the show needed to rely "Winter Soldier's action" for it to become better.

And I don't think the show is "great". I mean if its getting Emmy/Golden Globes nomination for its writing/directing/acting or if its getting inducted in AFI's annual top 10 shows, then sure. Even ScreenJunkies couldn't tell if its the show is already good or not after the 2nd season. I'm not even gonna tell my personal opinion about the show because that'd be a long read.

And this argument that "its getting a 3rd season". Well ABC's Nashville is already in its season four, are we gonna act that its some great show too? I practically watch every ABC drama show and most of them (that made it to the 2nd season) at least got a fourth season. And of course it should get a 3rd season! Its the spin-off show of the Avengers/MCU and I've read from tvbythenumbers that ABC definitely expected higher ratings and not just middle-of-the-road ratings that would keep it alive for 4 seasons and syndication purposes. So not great. And I'd rather want Fox to kill off Hellfire than to experience what AOS experienced since it aired.

I tried getting into AOS.I just can't can't.just not very good show In my
oporion.same with agent carter.the abc marvels shows are subpar to Once Upon a time and I quit that show after lackluster s3 finale and trying to turn first half of s4 into frozen the tv show.to me AOS is just promation for films.they have been doing so much on AOS for replacement of mutants In MCU with inhumans.I prefer watching most of DC shows-Gotham,Arrow,and the flash over abc genre shows.At least Fox and FX aren't making legion and hellfire into AOS.

 

[Flint Marko]

Doesn't shock me one bit that the weakest part of the MCU isn't held up highly around these parts, but my point still stands. If Fox wanted to make the TV shows connect to the movies it'd be much easier for them given how weak the continuity already is and how smaller their sandbox is compared to the MCU. Again I'm not saying the show will suffer for it, I'm just saying I don't see why not.

 

[Zarex]

Doesn't shock me one bit that the weakest part of the MCU isn't held up highly around these parts, but my point still stands. If Fox wanted to make the TV shows connect to the movies it'd be much easier for them given how weak the cfontinuity already is and how smaller their sandbox is compared to the MCU. Again I'm not saying the show will suffer for it, I'm just saying I don't see why not.

Folks are calling out AOS as the template, though as Marvel's first foray into live action TV and a direct spin-off of the cinematic MCU, there were bound to be some bumps along the way. Agent Carter and the Netflix shows have proven that TV programs set in the same cinematic universe can be just as compelling as their live action brethren so long as they have their own distinct environment, plots and characters.

As you said, why not? Even if we get Defenders cameos in Infinity War it would be worth it. And keeping your small screen characters big screen eligible is just good business.

 

[2kt09]

It's interesting; I do think that the show needs to stand on its own two feet. The people who care that it's an X-Men title are going to know it's an X-Men title. You're looking for the largest possible and most diverse audience, so that's not the most important thing. The most important thing is the show itself.

-Noah Hawley's 4 month old 2cents
Couldn't find this interview on previous pages.

More interested in Legion on the basis that it still has a showrunner that I can base his prior work on, regardless of its ties to a cinematic universe. As many have said even those in favor of connecting them, the content matters more.

Let's do this again if and when Hellfire Club is declared to not also reside in the same universe.

 

[Eddie]

When the shows were announced it was vaguely stated that both were in the same world.

 

[2kt09]

What's the oldest time stamp on when these shows were announced?
Oct 14, 2015 is TV Insider's report with that Hawley interview published 2 days later.

That other quote ^ was in response to "X-Men wasn't mentioned in the press releases for both Legion and Hellfire. I assume that was a conscious decision"

Where does it [Legion] fit in the larger X-Men cinematic universe?
It's conceived more as a standalone. I don't want to say too much more about it on that level, but certainly it's not constructed as a back-door anything. It's more just that there's a story that I want to explore that has to fit into that larger universe, which is exciting.

Legion and Hellfire were announced at the same time; will there be any crossover, or are they separate worlds?
I think more the latter. We certainly haven't had any conversations about crossovers. I don't know anything about it, but I think that one is more linearly taken out of the world of the movies. Ours has its own world to it.

The former statement = Hellfire Club that he's conjecturing since he's not as involved with that.
The latter statement & "where does it fit in larger XCU" apparently needed to be further clarified in recent news.

 

[psylockolussus]

All I know is, if Hellfire doesn't have Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost and/or Selene, I'm out.

I will still check it out because its still a X-Men show (in a way) but that would definitely lower my interest!

 

[jaymes_e06]

I'd be OK with Jason Wyngard, Harry Leland, Peirce etc... As long as we maybe got the more popular members Emma/Shaw eventually or as well.

 

[Tymminator]

It says a lot that the show needed to rely "Winter Soldier's action" for it to become better.

And I don't think the show is "great". I mean if its getting Emmy/Golden Globes nomination for its writing/directing/acting or if its getting inducted in AFI's annual top 10 shows, then sure. Even ScreenJunkies couldn't tell if its the show is already good or not after the 2nd season. I'm not even gonna tell my personal opinion about the show because that'd be a long read.

And this argument that "its getting a 3rd season". Well ABC's Nashville is already in its season four, are we gonna act that its some great show too? I practically watch every ABC drama show and most of them (that made it to the 2nd season) at least got a fourth season. And of course it should get a 3rd season! Its the spin-off show of the Avengers/MCU and I've read from tvbythenumbers that ABC definitely expected higher ratings and not just middle-of-the-road ratings that would keep it alive for 4 seasons and syndication purposes. So not great. And I'd rather want Fox to kill off Hellfire than to experience what AOS experienced since it aired.

AoS not getting nominated for anything means nothing.

You would not want to judge how well many comic movies are for example was by what they were nominated for. I know you have used Rotton Tomatoes in the past though, and AoS has an 83% on there. (EDIT And actually it WAS nominated in various areas from various organizations, and even won a couple of them. However, Awards to me I just bragging rights and not a determiner of how well one should enjoy a movie or TV show)

It's cool you don't like it, but it is liked enough and is successful and that's a fact. I dont care for Nashville either, but I have no problems seeing the fact and admitting that even if I don't necessarily care for it, Nashville is liked and received well enough by others.

As far as these X-spin-offs go, I wild have been interested in a Hellfire tied to First class somehow, but it's own? I dunno. Still I will watch the pilots and see what happens...maybe it will grab me.

 

[psylockolussus]

AoS not getting nominated for anything means nothing.

You would not want to judge how well DoFP for example was by what it was nominated for. I know you have used Rotton Tomatoes in the past though, and AoS has an 83% on there.

It's cool you don't like it, but it is liked enough and is successful and that's a fact. I dont care for Nashville either, but I have no problems seeing the fact and admitting that even if I don't necessarily care for it, Nashville is liked and received well enough by others.

Revenge season 4 (worst season of that show) got 100% rating in Rotten Tomatoes so okay lets use Rotten Tomatoes to determine "good shows" just like how we regularly use that site for movies. And according to Rotten Tomatoes, TV shows are better than movies because fewer TV shows get a rotten rating compare to movies which are being reviewed by more than 100 critics.

And I'm glad you brought it up, because the Rotten Tomatoes rating is misleading because they usually only posts reviews for the first episode of the season not entire season.

And AOS not getting nominated is just one of the things why In my opinion its not great. If sci-fi or action shows like 24, Walking Dead, Prison Break, Heroes, Lost, Game of Thrones managed to get nominations from Golden Globes/Emmy or be inducted in AFI's annual list, then why cannot AOS achieve that too if its really that "great"? Scandal/How to Get away with Murder/Grey's Anatomy also earned a spot in AFI's list before too. So thats just one of the things, if its really great, you would get more recognition. Great is a big word, like I don't mind if you think its okay or good , but great, I just don't agree with that.

 

[Tymminator]

Revenge season 4 (worst season of that show) got 100% rating in Rotten Tomatoes so okay lets use Rotten Tomatoes to determine "good shows" just like how we regularly use that site for movies. And according to Rotten Tomatoes, TV shows are better than movies because fewer TV shows get a rotten rating compare to movies which are being reviewed by more than 100 critics.

And I'm glad you brought it up, because the Rotten Tomatoes rating is misleading because they usually only posts reviews for the first episode of the season not entire season.

And AOS not getting nominated is just one of the things why In my opinion its not great. If sci-fi or action shows like 24, Walking Dead, Prison Break, Heroes, Lost, Game of Thrones managed to get nominations from Golden Globes/Emmy or be inducted in AFI's annual list, then why cannot AOS too if thats really great? Scandal/How to Get away with Murder/Grey's Anatomy also earned a spot in AFI's list before too. So thats just one of the things, if its really great, you would get more recognition. Great is a big word, like I don't mind if you its okay or good , but great, I just don't agree with that.

But like I said in the edited post, it HAS been nominated for a few things from some organizations.

Also, if the RT rating is based on the pilot, then I would argue it would be even higher now as the show has only got better.

And if you don't agree, again I'm cool with that as its your opinion, but the fact remains it has a following.

 

[Tymminator]

Also, using Revenge was cute, overall it was a 75% RT and the only reason it was 100% for season 4 is because it had FIVE reviews for that season and still did not have a consensus.

 

[psylockolussus]

Thats just an example that Rotten Tomatoes for TV shows aren't reliable. There's a difference between 200 critics reviewing a film versus 50 critics reviewing a single episode of a TV show. so with the 83% that AOS got (i guess its season premiere), are you saying that it was better than Ant-Man and Avengers Age of Ultron, which both got a rating lower than AOS's 83%? Uh okay.

 

[Flint Marko]

Rotten Tomatoes is a review aggregator that calculates how many critics gave a good review vs how many have a bad one. Not sure how that's "unreliable", it's pretty straight forward.