X3 aftermath: X1-X2

[Binker]

X-Men: The Last Stand is out. SOme people like it, others don't (I've heard more good than bad). But I must ask, from you fans: ignoring X3 completely, would X-Men and X2 work without a part 3?

 

[gap5ewl]

...yes they worked without x3 for three years.

 

[Matt.S99]

x1 would work w/o x2 or 3 but definatly not x2 b/c of the fate of jean and x3 imo wont work out good w/o an x4

 

[Kevin Roegele]

X3 is not the real sequel to X1 and X2, in that it's not the rest of Singer's story. It's Ratner's version of what a sequel would be.

Actually, as a stand alone film, X3 works best of all of them.

 

[Binker]

I should've put this as a poll.

Stupid me...

 

[J.Howlett]

X-Men and X2 can stand together as films. But, you do really want to see what's next for our characters after the ending of X2.

Sadly, for me, The Last Stand isn't that film so I have to satisfied with just X-Men and X2.

 

[The Kid]

we don't need no stinkin x3... X2's so far above it in quality, it's hard to see the relation between them anyway.

*waits for director's cut*

 

[DACrowe]

X3 is the sequel but it fails to live up to the depth or character or plot developments set by Singer or the quality of filmmaking and keeping close with the spirit of the better X-comics. X3 plays like the worst of X comics where it is all superpowers and big fights with no plot and too many mutants to care about.

Oh well.

 

[Binker]

So in a reality w/o X3: X2 (and the entire X-Men films) ends with Jean Grey dead, the human vs. mutant plot ended, the promise of a better future, and the retelling of the theme of evolution (Phoenix).

 

[J.Howlett]

Binker,

Yes, if you look at it that way. It's satisfying but you don't want to carry on and see what happens to Scott and how he deals....

Plus, Magneto's still loose.

 

[Octoberist]

I haven't meant one person who 'loved it'. One of my buds hated it. My girlfriend was very indifferent. She's not a fan but she was confused on how Cyclops and Mystique was written off. In her words: "It was almost lazy how they handled them."

I sure didn't love it or like it. It thought it was okay, but I wouldn't want the same film team to come back for X4 (if there is one...come on Gambit)

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

perhaps... if Singer decides to come back and make his version with the cast and Famke and James be more of the focus... -sighs-

 

[Octoberist]

le sigh...

 

[RagingTempest]

Nope!!! Jean's death would then have no point and we would wonder why she had all that power in the first place!!!

 

[Binker]

Some say no, most say yes

 

[Warhammer]

I think X3 works as a sequel after X2.
X1 could have worked alone, but not if X2 was the sequel.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Nope!!! Jean's death would then have no point and we would wonder why she had all that power in the first place!!!

sorry....what was the question of t his thread again?

 

[Binker]

Do you believe we needed an X3 and would X2 work as the end by ignoring X3?

 

[Radagast_Prime]

X-Men and X2 can stand together as films. But, you do really want to see what's next for our characters after the ending of X2.

Sadly, for me, The Last Stand isn't that film so I have to satisfied with just X-Men and X2.

Agreed.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Yes and No... I enjoyed it, thought it was great but it lacked something...CYCLOPS and FIRE and lots of IT... Though x3 does have its moments Theres atleast 5-10 scenes that I like out of it... okay up to 10 alteast Okay...20 scenes. Cause most of em are of Jean/phoenix, Beast, Iceman,Kitty and Scott and Logan and ...yeah. okay. Im gonna shut up now

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Even though each movie has it's own stand alone plot, I don't think that any of the 3 movies work on their own.

X-Men doesn't really work on it's own, because there's no closure to anything at all. The movie ends with Wolverine going off to find his past, and Magneto promising to escape his prison and continue to fight the war against humans. X-Men leaves too many unanswered questions.

X2 answers those questions, as we are taken deeper into Wolverine's past, and we see Magneto indeed escaping his prison to continue fighting the war. But then, it only raises more questions. For comic book fans, the resurrection of Jean Grey. The X-Men in the White House, truly becoming the X-Men. In X-Men, it seemed as though the X-Men were just around, to try to get in the way of mutants like Magneto who might cause problems for humans and mutants alike. But at the end of X2, the X-Men had a purpose as a team. The war was inevitable, and the X-Men were essentially the ones who were going to fight for human / mutant co-existance.

X-Men: The Last Stand touches upon all of the loose ends left open from the 2 films. This war that Magneto has predicted, that was pretty much made inevitable by William Stryker's actions. The fate of Jean Grey.

I won't go around talking about how this is an interconnected trilogy on the same calibur of Lord of the Rings... but these movies are still a trilogy in every sense of the word. These aren't just sequels that came out, to introduce new characters and stuff. These movies were brilliantly set up by Bryan Singer to actually connect to each other, and tell a larger story through interconnecting sub-plots. The movies pretty much work like this:

X-Men: Introduction. Magneto and his Brotherhood of Mutants make the first move against the humans, in response to the Mutant Registration Act. His actions are probably the first large scale mutant attack against humans, but because of Mystique's infiltration into the U.S. government by impersonating Senator Kelly, the Mutant Registration Act takes a hit.

X2: X-Men United: Rise in action. Col. William Stryker, who is anti-mutant, uses the Liberty Island incident as the spark towards his plan. He uses a form of mind control to have a mutant attempt to assassinate the President. And he uses that assassination attempt as a way to get authorization to attack Xavier's school, connecting the school, and "underground mutant training facility" to the assassination attempt. Of course, Stryker has plans of his own... getting the Cerebro technology so that he can make one of his own to destroy all mutants. The events at Alkali Lake are global scale, and are the first events to set off the all out conflict between humans and mutants.

X-Men: The Last Stand: Climax and resolution. Hostilities seem to be declining towards mutant-kind, as the new President has a Department of Mutant Affairs, a department which is headed by a mutant. But there are still some out there who want to get rid of the mutant "problem", and a cure is developed. Magneto sees this as the declaration of war from the humans, and builds his army to fight his war.

Overall, each film has a stand alone plot, yes, but each stand alone subplot connects each film together to tell one larger story. And I don't think you can have any of the movies without the others, and have a complete story.

I think we do have a complete story now, with the trilogy.

 

[migs]

X3 is not the real sequel to X1 and X2, in that it's not the rest of Singer's story. It's Ratner's version of what a sequel would be.

Actually, as a stand alone film, X3 works best of all of them.

x3 does work well as a stand alone film, but without x1 and x2 there would need to be an extra 45 minutes or so of character development and some backstory thrown in.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Even though each movie has it's own stand alone plot, I don't think that any of the 3 movies work on their own.

X-Men doesn't really work on it's own, because there's no closure to anything at all. The movie ends with Wolverine going off to find his past, and Magneto promising to escape his prison and continue to fight the war against humans. X-Men leaves too many unanswered questions.

X2 answers those questions, as we are taken deeper into Wolverine's past, and we see Magneto indeed escaping his prison to continue fighting the war. But then, it only raises more questions. For comic book fans, the resurrection of Jean Grey. The X-Men in the White House, truly becoming the X-Men. In X-Men, it seemed as though the X-Men were just around, to try to get in the way of mutants like Magneto who might cause problems for humans and mutants alike. But at the end of X2, the X-Men had a purpose as a team. The war was inevitable, and the X-Men were essentially the ones who were going to fight for human / mutant co-existance.

X-Men: The Last Stand touches upon all of the loose ends left open from the 2 films. This war that Magneto has predicted, that was pretty much made inevitable by William Stryker's actions. The fate of Jean Grey.

I won't go around talking about how this is an interconnected trilogy on the same calibur of Lord of the Rings... but these movies are still a trilogy in every sense of the word. These aren't just sequels that came out, to introduce new characters and stuff. These movies were brilliantly set up by Bryan Singer to actually connect to each other, and tell a larger story through interconnecting sub-plots. The movies pretty much work like this:

X-Men: Introduction. Magneto and his Brotherhood of Mutants make the first move against the humans, in response to the Mutant Registration Act. His actions are probably the first large scale mutant attack against humans, but because of Mystique's infiltration into the U.S. government by impersonating Senator Kelly, the Mutant Registration Act takes a hit.

X2: X-Men United: Rise in action. Col. William Stryker, who is anti-mutant, uses the Liberty Island incident as the spark towards his plan. He uses a form of mind control to have a mutant attempt to assassinate the President. And he uses that assassination attempt as a way to get authorization to attack Xavier's school, connecting the school, and "underground mutant training facility" to the assassination attempt. Of course, Stryker has plans of his own... getting the Cerebro technology so that he can make one of his own to destroy all mutants. The events at Alkali Lake are global scale, and are the first events to set off the all out conflict between humans and mutants.

X-Men: The Last Stand: Hostilities seem to be declining towards mutant-kind, as the new President has a Department of Mutant Affairs, a department which is headed by a mutant. But there are still some out there who want to get rid of the mutant "problem", and a cure is developed. Magneto sees this as the declaration of war from the humans, and builds his army to fight his war.

Overall, each film has a stand alone plot, yes, but each stand alone subplot connects each film together to tell one larger story. And I don't think you can have any of the movies without the others, and have a complete story.

I think we do have a complete story now, with the trilogy.

Simply put, my friend.