X3 Box Office Tracker

[danoyse]

Who said anything about intimidation? I am not intimidated by hunches either. I merely post facts and analyze them. If people can't except them then so be it. But, there is no denying them.

It's a quote from a play called "The Search For Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe."

Can you back up your facts?

 

[GL's Light]

Notice the lack of merchandising for X3. I was in the supermarket yesterday, and nearly everything in the store had either Superman or Captain Jack on it.

But they didn't merchandise X3...no toys, no Wolverine breakfast cereal. They didn't spend the money merchandising because it would take away on the profits of the movie.

Merchandising doesn't cost the rights holder anything. The right to produce and market various merchandising items - toys, t-shirts, etc - is granted to various licensees (manufacturers and retailers) who carry the full burden of costs and keep most of the profits, with the rights holder receiving royalty payments in exchange for those licensing rights.

You don't see a lot of X3 merchandising because Fox doesn't own the merchandising rights to the X-Men, Marvel does.

On the other hand, Time Warner and Disney own all of the rights to Superman and Jack Sparrow respectively, so you see a ton of merchandising.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Actually you don't see alot of X3 merchandise because Marvel cancelled their contract with TBWW early and took over all toy business themselves for the remainder of 2006. They didn't want to spend too much money on it or get stuck with a glut of inventory because in 2007 Hasbro took over paying Marvel 215 million dollars for the rights to produce all of these toys for Marvel including the rights for Spiderman 4. So the lack of X3 toys was due to a business change in Marvel's toy sector. Ghost Rider will be the first film where Hasbro is making the toys and you'll see a crapload of toys from that film online by XMAS. The license holder makes loads of profit on the toys over and above the royalties and upfront fees they pay to Marvel.

 

[Theweepeople]

"^^ you stated in your other post that domestic sales it wat ultimately makes profit, which is not true look at Divinci Code it has made the majority of its take overseas"

No. you misinterpreted what I said. I said that typically domestic sales determines whether a movie is a successful installment in a franchise. However, there a times when a sequel or prequel that has a good profit% of its budget ends up destroying future sequels because it was not well received by fans.

 

[Theweepeople]

"Can you back up your facts?"

What is there to back up? Facts speak for themselves. What is the point of trying to force someone to believe in something that is true?

 

[danoyse]

What is there to back up? Facts speak for themselves. What is the point of trying to force someone to believe in something that is true?

So if I told you it was a fact that Santa Claus was real, it would have to be true?

You're going to have to do better then that.

 

[danoyse]

Merchandising doesn't cost the rights holder anything. The right to produce and market various merchandising items - toys, t-shirts, etc - is granted to various licensees (manufacturers and retailers) who carry the full burden of costs and keep most of the profits, with the rights holder receiving royalty payments in exchange for those licensing rights.

You don't see a lot of X3 merchandising because Fox doesn't own the merchandising rights to the X-Men, Marvel does.

On the other hand, Time Warner and Disney own all of the rights to Superman and Jack Sparrow respectively, so you see a ton of merchandising.

Ahhh....I see.

 

[Theweepeople]

"Because Tron was a FLOP.

Notice the lack of merchandising for X3. I was in the supermarket yesterday, and nearly everything in the store had either Superman or Captain Jack on it.

But they didn't merchandise X3...no toys, no Wolverine breakfast cereal. They didn't spend the money merchandising because it would take away on the profits of the movie."

Either you are lying about Tron are someone lied to you about Tron.

Profit% of its budget=94%.

 

[danoyse]

Either you are lying about Tron are someone lied to you about Tron.

Profit% of its budget=94%.

The video game outgrossed the movie. The movie itself was a box office flop.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Tron wasn't a flop. It doubled it's budget making 33 million in 1982 which was a good sum of money for a new franchise in the sci-fi genre.

 

[danoyse]

But Disney was trying to create a Star Wars-type franchise, and it never happened. They released it the same summer as "ET", which slayed it at the box office, and they didn't bother with the sequel they were planning.

 

[GL's Light]

Tron was a relatively expensive film by the standards of the early 80's. Ancillary revenue streams weren't the force they are today, so a film had to achieve profitability through theatrical box office alone. Taking into account the split between the studio and the theaters, Tron just about broke even. It was neither an outright flop nor a hit. It was a box office disappointment.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Daynose,

I see what you mean. I loved the film though. Tron 2.0 is still in the works.

 

[Theweepeople]

"So if I told you it was a fact that Santa Claus was real, it would have to be true?

You're going to have to do better then that."

What do you want me to tell you? I already stated everything about why this movie is a disappointment in the thread I started. I'm not going to rewrite everything in this thread.

 

[Theweepeople]

"Daynose,

I see what you mean. I loved the film though. Tron 2.0 is still in the works."

Tron 2.0 has been in the works for like 6 years!!! Is another Tron movie really going to be made anytime soon. Unfortunately, the latest bad news I heard about Tron is that a parody of the movie involving Goofy will be made. I pray that what I read are merely rumours.

 

[danoyse]

Daynose,

I see what you mean. I loved the film though. Tron 2.0 is still in the works.

I remember the summer it was out...the special effects were great, but it just didn't have the story to hold it up. And everyone was going to see ET.

Are they still working on Tron 2? Last I heard it was going to be a video game. I hear it's a bonus level (?) on the new Kingdom Hearts game.

 

[danoyse]

What do you want me to tell you? I already stated everything about why this movie is a disappointment in the thread I started. I'm not going to rewrite everything in this thread.

Well, this thread, going back to the release date, has been dissecting the pros and cons of the box office pretty well so far.

 

[Fanticon]

Hey, Theweepeople....just hit the

icon to "quote" someones post...it might save you time while trying to keep up with your pointless points

 

[Carp Man]

Ok. Weekend box office estimates are in. Updated #'s below. If #'s hold true, $ 4.4 million, would be a 43.7 % drop from last weekend, and dead on prediction from Mojo. Looks like 225 to 230 domesticly before SR opens is reality. It will shatter X-Men 2's worldwide total, and mabey overseas #'s this week.

 

[PoSeiDon]

I dont see how anyone would consider X3 a box office flop. It made lots of money. I think its not hitting peoples expectations so they consider it a flop!

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Hasn't X3 pretty much surpassed X2 moneywise?

 

[ssj wolverine]

People are morons! How can a movie that has grossed more than 200 million dollars domestically and god knows how much abroad be considered a flop? To me these are just whiners that didn't like the movie and were hoping to see it fail and want to put any negative spin on it.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Hasn't X3 pretty much surpassed X2 moneywise?

...And budgetwise?

 

[Darkdd]

People are morons! How can a movie that has grossed more than 200 million dollars domestically and god knows how much abroad be considered a flop? To me these are just whiners that didn't like the movie and were hoping to see it fail and want to put any negative spin on it.

You've summed it up.

 

[Carp Man]

I dont see how anyone would consider X3 a box office flop. It made lots of money. I think its not hitting peoples expectations so they consider it a flop!

There will always be those who want to look at the negatives in any situation. The DC crowd is the main culprites. It has beaten X2's domestic. 407.5 million was X2 worldwide #'s, and 192.6 million was It's overseas #'s.