X3 Box Office Tracker

[Carp Man]

Yeah, it will eventually make a healthy profit. Carp Man made it sound like it had already made a 200 mill profit.

At 410 million worldwide, it will have made total 200 million profit.

 

[COME ON !]

At 410 million worldwide, it will have made total 200 million profit.

No, that's not profit. Profit is what comes after you've covered the costs of making the movie.

 

[Carp Man]

No, that's not profit. Profit is what comes after you've covered the costs of making the movie.

Not going to sit here and argue with you. 210 million is the reported production cost. Marketing, ect. is not included in that figure. No one except the studio know the actual total cost of making, and marketing the movie. So no 210 million IS NOT the total cost of the movie, but we go with the figures we have. Had this same argument with batfans, during FF's run, and not going thru it again.

 

[COME ON !]

Not going to sit here and argue with you. 210 million is the reported production cost. Marketing, ect. is not included in that figure. No one except the studio know the actual total cost of making, and marketing the movie. So no 210 million IS NOT the total cost of the movie, but we go with the figures we have. Had this same argument with batfans, during FF's run, and not going thru it again.

You said that X3 had made a 200m profit. Obviously you don't know what profit is. Whether the movie cost 165m or 210m to make, is besides the point. The point is that X3 has not made 200m in PROFITS. It has made around 200m for the studio, barely covering the production cost or not even that. Once the movie has gone through the DVD sales, TV rights etc process, then you can begin talking about a 200m dollar PROFIT for Fox.

 

[Advanced Dark]

X3 will be making a profit before it hits DVD.

 

[COME ON !]

X3 will be making a profit before it hits DVD.

Yeah, probably. But nowhere near a 200m dollar profit from box office sales like Carp Man is talking about.

 

[Advanced Dark]

At 410 million worldwide, it will have made total 200 million profit.

No Come On! is right. At 410 million it's leaves 200 million after the budget in profit, however the total gross is split on average 55% to the studio however X3 was so frontloaded FOX will probably get 60-65% of the gross. Still X3 will have a decent profit before DVD,TV,Cable,PPV, and hotel sales. It'll profit by 200 million.

In reality you have to take the gross of 410 million and multiply it by 55% on average which would = $225,500,000 to Fox. The budget is around 210 million including the ad budget so at 410 million fox would have a 15 million profit. That's before DVD's and everything else however X3 will gross closer to 450 million leaving it with at least a 35 million dollar profit before DVD sales and the rest mentioned above which will be pure profit not split with theatre owners. Rental revenue will be lower on X3 because most will buy it.

^ However that's an "average" scenerio with X3 so frontloaded I'd count on 60-65% for Fox since so much came in the first week.

 

[COME ON !]

No Come On! is right. At 410 million it's leaves 200 million after the budget in profit, however the total gross is split on average 55% to the studio however X3 was so frontloaded FOX will probably get 60-65% of the gross. Still X3 will have a decent profit before DVD,TV,Cable,PPV, and hotel sales. It'll profit by 200 million.

In reality you have to take the gross of 410 million and multiply it by 55% on average which would = $225,500,000 to Fox. The budget is around 210 million including the ad budget so at 410 million fox would have a 15 million profit. That's before DVD's and everything else however X3 will gross closer to 450 million leaving it with at least a 35 million dollar profit before DVD sales and the rest mentioned above which will be pure profit not split with theatre owners. Rental revenue will be lower on X3 because most will buy it.

^ However that's an "average" scenerio with X3 so frontloaded I'd count on 60-65% for Fox since so much came in the first week.

Thank you.

 

[Carp Man]

You said that X3 had made a 200m profit. Obviously you don't know what profit is. Whether the movie cost 165m or 210m to make, is besides the point. The point is that X3 has not made 200m in PROFITS. It has made around 200m for the studio, barely covering the production cost or not even that. Once the movie has gone through the DVD sales, TV rights etc process, then you can begin talking about a 200m dollar PROFIT for Fox.

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[Advanced Dark]

^ Yes so we're using that 210 million in my post above. Maybe it's less. It's always nice though when a film doubles it's budget in theaters.

 

[COME ON !]

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Check out post #3188 in this thread. AdvancedDark explained it to you.

 

[Carp Man]

^ Yes so we're using that 210 million in my post above. Maybe it's less. It's always nice though when a film doubles it's budget in theaters.

I was taking the entire movie will more then double its budget. 410 million - 210 million = 200 million profit total. The movie has made 200 million profit total. Not taking about everyones cut. I'm talking total here, before everyone gets their %.

 

[Carp Man]

Check out post #3188 in this thread. AdvancedDark explained it to you.

I ran a Wal Mart store for 31 years. I know all about gross sales, net sales, gross profit, and net profit. When you want lessons come see me.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ That isn't profit though so that's where you're confusing people. The movie netted 200 million after budget won't cause all of this confusion and arguing. I understand what you're saying.

 

[Carp Man]

^ That isn't profit though so that's where you're confusing people. The movie netted 200 million after budget won't cause all of this confusion and arguing. I understand what you're saying.

I know what the hell i'm talking about. I didn't just fall out of the banana tree yesterday.

 

[COME ON !]

I ran a Wal Mart store for 31 years. I know all about gross sales, net sales, gross profit, and net profit. When you want lessons come see me.

No need to get ugly. It's not my fault people didn't know what the hell you were talking about.

 

[Advanced Dark]

I know what the hell i'm talking about. I didn't just fall out of the banana tree yesterday.

It doesn't matter if you know what you're talking about when you're in a conversation with others...otherwise we all should just post like this:


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-Advanced Dark

 

[Carp Man]

It doesn't matter if you know what you're talking about when you're in a conversation with others...otherwise we all should just post like this:


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-Advanced Dark

You always bring a smile to my face buddy.

 

[Advanced Dark]

I try. Now we'd all have smiles if Tim Story would get back to his blog. Hey Carp check out my Favreau Q & A in the Marvel movies thread. You're gonna like his last response. Actually it's now on the main page at http://www.superherohype.com now too.

 

[Celestial]

To muddy the waters further, here are a couple of articles about "profit" on movies
http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?indexID=46
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/photos.htm

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Is that movieball? Great article if it is.

 

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To muddy the waters further, here are a couple of articles about "profit" on movies
http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?indexID=46
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/photos.htm

Thanks, I'll save that for when i'm in a reading mood

 

[BMM]

Can't believe no-one commented on this. The world population is around 6,5 billion.

Yeah, that's my bad. I misinterpreted the graph. 9 billion is the projected future world population, whereas the current world population is around 6.5 billion. Regardless, there are almost 3 billion more consumers in the world today than there were during the 1970s, which is still incredibly relevant to the point I was making . . . but that was yesterday's debate.

 

[Celestial]

^ Is that movieball? Great article if it is.

Yes and yes.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Not really because the entertainment outlets have increased more than 20 fold. Your entertainment choices that consume your time and money are everywhere. The biggest factors are:

1) Home theatres - Better than the movies with nobody kicking your seat.
2) DVD's (Cheap) - Short window to DVD release and they're cheap.
3) Rentals - Babysitters are expensive...just wait for rental.
4) Pay Per View - Why even get up?
5) Piracy - Huge impact. You can go to LA right now and get X3 on DVD or download it online.
6) The Internet - Not only as a piracy tool but as a place to hang out for instance like here, myspace, etc...
7) Broadband Internet - Enabling fast internet surfacing, downloads, great for piracy, and it's just a fun place to hang out...and it's free.
8) Video Game systems - This isn't pong anymore. How many times have you picked up your X-Box or PS2 to play a game and 4 hours are gone in no time.
9) Online computer games/online gambling, etc...These suck your whole day away.
10) Satellite TV: You can watch all your favorite sports games without going out, tons of movie channels, etc...Not to mention the pirate cable and satellite boxes you can buy.

The population increase has prevented the #'s from dropping further than they have, but they have really really helped the international box office.

I don't know why there's even an argument here. It's like trying to say 8 track sales are down without talking about cassettes and DVD's. I would go to the movies way more often if it wasn't for all these other things to do. This has all been established as fact by all the media analysts. It's not debateable except for the % of impact.