X3 Box Office Tracker

[COME ON !]

Yeah, that's my bad. I misinterpreted the graph. 9 billion is the projected future world population, whereas the current world population is around 6.5 billion. Regardless, there are almost 3 billion more consumers in the world today than there were during the 1970s, which is still incredibly relevant to the point I was making . . . but that was yesterday's debate.

Yup, I think 9 billion was what they projected for around year 2050. I'll be 64 then

 

[Carp Man]

Yup, I think 9 billion was what they projected for around year 2050. I'll be 64 then

In the year 2050, I'll be 95.

 

[COME ON !]

In the year 2050, I'll be 95.

Stay healthy My mom will be 96 in 2050, hope she is still around then

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hmmmm 95 and 96. Are you trying to set him for a date? Careful.

 

[Carp Man]

Hmmmm 95 and 96. Are you trying to set him for a date? Careful.

LOL. Been married 33 years. I'm fine ty. Anyway, back on topic. Domestic AND foreign box office are updated thru June 19th. Updated real figures below. About 11 million from X2's overseas #'s, and 9 million from x2's worldwide #'s.

 

[BMM]

^ Not really because the entertainment outlets have increased more than 20 fold. Your entertainment choices that consume your time and money are everywhere. The biggest factors are:

1) Home theatres - Better than the movies with nobody kicking your seat.
2) DVD's (Cheap) - Short window to DVD release and they're cheap.
3) Rentals - Babysitters are expensive...just wait for rental.
4) Pay Per View - Why even get up?
5) Piracy - Huge impact. You can go to LA right now and get X3 on DVD or download it online.
6) The Internet - Not only as a piracy tool but as a place to hang out for instance like here, myspace, etc...
7) Broadband Internet - Enabling fast internet surfacing, downloads, great for piracy, and it's just a fun place to hang out...and it's free.
8) Video Game systems - This isn't pong anymore. How many times have you picked up your X-Box or PS2 to play a game and 4 hours are gone in no time.
9) Online computer games/online gambling, etc...These suck your whole day away.
10) Satellite TV: You can watch all your favorite sports games without going out, tons of movie channels, etc...Not to mention the pirate cable and satellite boxes you can buy.

The population increase has prevented the #'s from dropping further than they have, but they have really really helped the international box office.

I don't know why there's even an argument here. It's like trying to say 8 track sales are down without talking about cassettes and DVD's. I would go to the movies way more often if it wasn't for all these other things to do. This has all been established as fact by all the media analysts. It's not debateable except for the % of impact.

. . . . . . again, I am simply saying that it is a relevant point (not that it is the only point in existence relative to this argument) . . . I'm not saying that the marketplace hasn't changed, because obviously it has . . . yet you continue to make it sound as if people 30 years ago had absolutely nothing to do but wait for movies to come out or die . . . before computers, the internet, and video games people actually did have other things to do like living their lives--really, I'm not making this up--which might distract one just long enough from taking a couple of hours out of his day to see a movie . . . we as a society did have other things to do in the world that would distract us from seeing movies during the 1970s (I know it seems crazy now--but people did function without these things . . . it's not like they knew what they were missing) . . .

 

[COME ON !]

Hmmmm 95 and 96. Are you trying to set him for a date? Careful.

It's up to him. My mom is single

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hey Carp you could have a little brother or sister. You should think about it.

 

[Advanced Dark]

. . . . . . again, I am simply saying that it is a relevant point (not that it is the only point in existence relative to this argument) . . . I'm not saying that the marketplace hasn't changed, because obviously it has . . . yet you continue to make it sound as if people 30 years ago had absolutely nothing to do but wait for movies to come out or die . . . before computers, the internet, and video games people actually did have other things to do like living their lives--really, I'm not making this up--which might distract one just long enough from taking a couple of hours out of his day to see a movie . . . we as a society did have other things to do in the world that would distract us from seeing movies during the 1970s (I know it seems crazy now--but people did function without these things . . . it's not like they knew what they were missing) . . .

There wasn't any other form of mass entertainment that could be tracked on a global or national scale. None. The internet is a global community, video games are released globally, etc...Sure you could go bowling, play mini-golf, etc...but back then most people went outside, played with their friends, had bbq's. There wasn't as many ways to spend your money...let alone stay at home and spend your money electronically. The world is shrinking into the size of your office. I can go online if I wanted and download X3 and watch it on my computer. As a MVL shareholder I wouldn't do that, actually I wouldn't do it anyways.

 

[COME ON !]

There wasn't any other form of mass entertainment that could be tracked on a global or national scale. None. The internet is a global community, video games are released globally, etc...Sure you could go bowling, play mini-golf, etc...but back then most people went outside, played with their friends, had bbq's. There wasn't as many ways to spend your money...let alone stay at home and spend your money electronically. The world is shrinking into the size of your office. I can go online if I wanted and download X3 and watch it on my computer. As a MVL shareholder I wouldn't do that, actually I wouldn't do it anyways.

You must be really pissed with the Chinese.

 

[Advanced Dark]

As a Country they suck. I have nothing against the general population just the corrupt government that allows this crap then they isolate themselves as if they're better than everyone.

I did enjoy my trip to Hong Kong back in 97 before it went back to China. Plenty of pirated video games and dvd's there too. That's why you're seeing movies released at the same times in many countries and they do China last. It's such a small market because of piracy.

 

[Carp Man]

Hey Carp you could have a little brother or sister. You should think about it.

well my sister is 7 years older then I am, but my dad did get around.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hook it up Carpie! Carpman Diem

 

[COME ON !]

As a Country they suck. I have nothing against the general population just the corrupt government that allows this crap then they isolate themselves as if they're better than everyone.

I did enjoy my trip to Hong Kong back in 97 before it went back to China. Plenty of pirated video games and dvd's there too. That's why you're seeing movies released at the same times in many countries and they do China last. It's such a small market because of piracy.

If they decided to fight piracy in China and somehow managed to stop most of it, would that impact your Marvel stocks ? Would they soar ?

 

[Advanced Dark]

Not so much in the past as it would help as Marvel releases their internally produced slate starting with Iron Man. It's accounted for in their earnings estimates or will be. It's a fact of life. It's gonna get harder and harder for them as movies are going to be coded and it'll be easy to tell where they're were duped from and those theatre owners will be fined, and dvd equimpment will also be coded and that fingerprint will be on the copies. Once everything is digital and online Macrovision has some cool copyright protection programs that would make it near impossible to copy unless you're just video taping yoru computer though you'd need to film at a very high speed to avoid teh flickering. And even then sooner or later movies will be released at the same time in theatres and on DVD taking advantage of only one marketing push instead of 2, and eliminating piracy effects early on. The costs of tickets and downloads will go up and be double where they are now.

 

[COME ON !]

Not so much in the past as it would help as Marvel releases their internally produced slate starting with Iron Man. It's accounted for in their earnings estimates or will be. It's a fact of life. It's gonna get harder and harder for them as movies are going to be coded and it'll be easy to tell where they're were duped from and those theatre owners will be fined, and dvd equimpment will also be coded and that fingerprint will be on the copies. Once everything is digital and online Macrovision has some cool copyright protection programs that would make it near impossible to copy unless you're just video taping yoru computer though you'd need to film at a very high speed to avoid teh flickering. And even then sooner or later movies will be released at the same time in theatres and on DVD taking advantage of only one marketing push instead of 2, and eliminating piracy effects early on. The costs of tickets and downloads will go up and be double where they are now.

Wow, you really know your stuff

Let's hope Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk(is that a lock for a 2008 release btw?) does well. I really liked the first Hulk movie, even though i've never read a comic book in my life. But I understand that the sequel will have to be different to have broader appeal. Hopefully they can create something special.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hulk is 2008 or 2009 depending on when they get the damn director. From what I been hearing that could be very soon like this month or next.

 

[COME ON !]

Hulk is 2008 or 2009 depending on when they get the damn director. From what I been hearing that could be very soon like this month or next.

Hope so. It will be very interesting to hear who they get.

 

[Advanced Dark]

I was so happy when MVL got the rights back. Before then thinking about Hulk was like this:

 

[COME ON !]

Hahahaha, great picture !

 

[lordofthenerds]

I was so happy when MVL got the rights back. Before then thinking about Hulk was like this:

The toilet monster attacks! I used to have nightmares about that.

 

[Carp Man]

LOL. vvvvvv When toilets attact.

 

[FaT_tONle]

rofl.... damn what if that really happened....

 

[BMM]

There wasn't any other form of mass entertainment that could be tracked on a global or national scale. None. The internet is a global community, video games are released globally, etc...Sure you could go bowling, play mini-golf, etc...but back then most people went outside, played with their friends, had bbq's. There wasn't as many ways to spend your money...let alone stay at home and spend your money electronically. The world is shrinking into the size of your office. I can go online if I wanted and download X3 and watch it on my computer. As a MVL shareholder I wouldn't do that, actually I wouldn't do it anyways.

I know. Believe me, I get it what you are saying, and I'm not disagreeing with the notion that the market place has changed, as is noted in my previous post. I am simply saying that there are also contributing factors aiding in the market's growth since the era of the first Superman movie (which is what essentially spawned this conversation in the first place).

 

[Advanced Dark]

Yes but it's been split. In the 70's the movies lasted in theatres for a long long time and people paid to see movies like star wars 20 times or more because it wasn't being released on any format after it left the theatre in their mind and when VHS tapes were peaking they cost $60.00-$100.00 each and even then the quality of the home viewing sucked. Even laser discs back then required you to flip them to watch them. Surround sound...what's that? LOL As far as the video games there's only so much time you can spend playing frogger before your mind rots comapred to the games today which are like interactive movies. The average couple going to the movies costs them probably near 80 bucks. You figure 20 bucks for the tickets, 20 bucks for concessions, gas money, and of course the baby sitter. Then you have to sit in popcorn butter, listen to people chewing and talking, be irritated by laser pointers or people flipping open their cell phones, listen to babies cry, people talk, and asshats kicking your seat. The whole time wondering if your car is being broken into. LOL Home theatres today are awesome but wait a few more years when you have video servers under your flat screen monitor storing thousands of movies on a hard drive for you that you can download online from your wireless keyboard and mouse sitting on your couch in 2 seconds.