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[spideyboy_1111]

*coughs* AHEM...


Xavier, and i quote "you killed the man you love Jean"...end quote

one ressurection per movie please let's not over do it, this is the movieverse not the comicverse and Xavier is coming back.

and Xavier was still surprised jean was alive. so your point once again it mute

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

that is true, but in my eyes the excuses won't make the movie any better.

Hey if you don't like the movie that is completely fine. I am not trying to "convert" you or anything like some people try to do on here. I am just explaining to you that Cyclops death was not actually seen only assumed.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hey if you don't like the movie that is completely fine. I am not trying to "convert" you or anything like some people try to do on here. I am just explaining to you that Cyclops death was not actually seen only assumed.

im not trying to convert him... he was a lost cause from walking into the theater

 

[gambitfire]

In the movies if you don't SEE a character actually die then that character can be brought back. We are only led to BELIEVE that he is dead but whatever your obviously not gonna see it my way.

So your saying that bringing him back in another movie, even though his character is underdeveloped, was said to be dead, and they have had about 2 ressurections, would be good story telling?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So your saying that bringing him back in another movie, even though his character is underdeveloped, was said to be dead, and they have had about 2 ressurections, would be good story telling?

so your saying the comics are bad story telling?

 

[BMM]

Haha. Well, I'm sure there are people who would agree that Jean's consitent dying/rebirth/phoenix rehashes due to a lack of ongoing orgininality may not be the best storytelling. They need to lay off the Phoenix bit for a little while. Let her rest.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

So your saying that bringing him back in another movie, even though his character is underdeveloped, was said to be dead, and they have had about 2 ressurections, would be good story telling?

I am saying he could be brought back without even have died. Remember how Logan and Storm found Jean lying there unconcious? I could think of some ways to make so Cykes survived.

 

[gambitfire]

and Xavier was still surprised jean was alive. so your point once again it mute

well what i got out of it was that he wasn't.

 

[gambitfire]

so your saying the comics are bad story telling?

im saying some comic book rules don't apply with movie rules .

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Haha. Well, I'm sure there are people who would agree that Jean's consitent dying/rebirth/phoenix rehashes due to a lack of ongoing orgininality may not be the best storytelling. They need to lay off the Phoenix bit for a little while. Let her rest.

maybe so, but Phoenix Endsong was amazing... loved it

 

[spideyboy_1111]

im saying some comic book rules don't apply with movie rules .

nope but on paper there both fine

 

[BMM]

maybe so, but Phoenix Endsong was amazing... loved it

Yeah. I liked it too. It was pretty good. I often find the Phoenix storylines interesting, but it's nice to take a breather every now and again.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i know what you mean.. warsong looks over done and like crap... ill sadly prob buy it though

 

[ntcrawler]

I am saying he could be brought back without even have died. Remember how Logan and Storm found Jean lying there unconcious? I could think of some ways to make so Cykes survived.

There's at least about 12 different ways he could have survived. The rewrites, the fanfics have been posted as well a as comics page showing what most likely happened. They had no evidence for Cyclops' death except "he wasn't around". His death was assumed, and implied. Jean did not acknowledge it and no footage was shown. Heck, the final frames of the scene of Alkali Lake show something happening that's totally different from what happens when Jean actually kills someone. And that was done by the production staff on purpose.

 

[gambitfire]

i know alot of ppl that felt bringing back xavier is a cop-out, bringing back cykes? we end up with beginning of X3 all over again. Does anyone honestly believe that FOX emphasis on FOX, can make a good X4 while bringing back cyclops and Xavier and not have them take the spotlights while not falling away from focus even though they would be a big deal that they come back ppl. Come on ppl i know i believe everyone is entitled to opinions but as much as i would love to have cyclops back, doing so would make everything the X-Men movies have stood for a joke, i already said not all comic book rules can be transcended in movies. and Spideyboy WTH r you SAYING!?!? they both look good on paper? well yea too bad it's a movie.

 

[gambitfire]

im not trying to convert him... he was a lost cause from walking into the theater

what part of i had high hopes for the movie did you not understand? Because you really know what another persons emotions are on all subjects, are you god? because im must have missed that.

 

[gambitfire]

Hey if you don't like the movie that is completely fine. I am not trying to "convert" you or anything like some people try to do on here. I am just explaining to you that Cyclops death was not actually seen only assumed.

I didn't think you where trying to convert me, im simply saying that even though his death was implied he should stay dead for the better of story telling, it would seem over done to have ANOTHER character we thought to be dead to simply come back as well. Oh and like i said his character is underdeveloped anyways so bringing him back would mean he had to have a much bigger role and as much as i would love that, that would be awkward.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i know alot of ppl that felt bringing back xavier is a cop-out, bringing back cykes? we end up with beginning of X3 all over again. Does anyone honestly believe that FOX emphasis on FOX, can make a good X4 while bringing back cyclops and Xavier and not have them take the spotlights while not falling away from focus even though they would be a big deal that they come back ppl. Come on ppl i know i believe everyone is entitled to opinions but as much as i would love to have cyclops back, doing so would make everything the X-Men movies have stood for a joke, i already said not all comic book rules can be transcended in movies. and Spideyboy WTH r you SAYING!?!? they both look good on paper? well yea too bad it's a movie.

Thing is Cyclops wouldnt be a cop out if he actually didnt die... Plus The phoenix can live still.. i wouldnt mind an element in X4 where jean comes back in some kind of form Ala endsong, and its more or less green or white phoenix... and either A she creates life and brings back those she demolecularized... or if scott is really alive id like to see this happen at the end of the movie.. and she tells him how shes not ready to come back and that traces of her are scattered everywhere within the universe like endsong... i think that would work well as a nod and semi-final goodbye to jean

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I didn't think you where trying to convert me, im simply saying that even though his death was implied he should stay dead for the better of story telling, it would seem over done to have ANOTHER character we thought to be dead to simply come back as well. Oh and like i said his character is underdeveloped anyways so bringing him back would mean he had to have a much bigger role and as much as i would love that, that would be awkward.

he cant stay dead, if he never died

 

[ntcrawler]

he cant stay dead, if he never died

Nope, he can just stay... "lost" for a while. Considering the big fallout and all the people that died from Xavier's attempts to kill all the mutants and then all the humans, one more "John Doe" found without a wallet wouldn't attract that much attention, especially if he was in a coma or too badly injured to talk for a while.

 

[ntcrawler]

While we're on the subject of Jean and her dilemna and future outcome, if she were to come back to her senses and decided that it's a mortal life for her so she can be with the people she loves, using her knowledge of medicine and genetics and her full powers at her disposal, if she was worried about being too powerful for her own good, she could actually use her own powers to limit her powers.

That would be a nice touch of character development.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

While we're on the subject of Jean and her dilemna and future outcome, if she were to come back to her senses and decided that it's a mortal life for her so she can be with the people she loves, using her knowledge of medicine and genetics and her full powers at her disposal, if she was worried about being too powerful for her own good, she could actually use her own powers to limit her powers.

That would be a nice touch of character development.

or a bit redundant.. if she had the control of her powers to do that.. then she wouldnt need to because, well, she'd be in control of her powers... haha

 

[borinquenknight]

or a bit redundant.. if she had the control of her powers to do that.. then she wouldnt need to because, well, she'd be in control of her powers... haha

Actually, I think her trying to shut off her own power would be the equivalent of someone attempting to commit suicide by holding their breath. I'm not sure that it is voluntarily possible. Maybe a serious enough shock could block out the ability as a self defense mechanism but I don't think she would be able to shut it off in a way that it wouldn't be readily available.

 

[ntcrawler]

or a bit redundant.. if she had the control of her powers to do that.. then she wouldnt need to because, well, she'd be in control of her powers... haha

No it's not necessarily redundant, it's a moral issue. If she had the powers of a goddess, should she use them if she could use them to help people? What if she could cure the world of every disease? wipe out AIDS, SARS, and everything else? Should she? Where would she draw the line? Where SHOULD she draw the line? At what point should she not interfere and let events run their course on their own?
If she had troubles answering those questions or felt overburdened, or if she just wanted to feel secure knowing that she could live and die a mortal life along with her friends and loved ones, then she would consider getting rid of her powers.

Whether she'd go through with it or not is left up to anyone's interpretation, but in a character drama, this would be a topic that should come up.

 

[ntcrawler]

Actually, I think her trying to shut off her own power would be the equivalent of someone attempting to commit suicide by holding their breath. I'm not sure that it is voluntarily possible. Maybe a serious enough shock could block out the ability as a self defense mechanism but I don't think she would be able to shut it off in a way that it wouldn't be readily available.

On the contrary my friend, there actually is a way that she could do it and it's been adressed in an alternate X3 fan-novel. It's not a solution any of us would have considered, but after reading it it sounded very appropriate to the character and what I could see Jean doing.
Her dilemna was that she realized that 1) using her powers was becoming too easy and convenient, and that 2) she was more powerful than any human or mortal should allowed to be. She felt the right thing to do was to let evolution run its course and move onto the next step, to that next place. But at the same time she wanted to be with her friends and family and made a promise to Scott she could not bring herself to break. So instead she found a solution that was very different and yet made everyone happy.