Transformers YOUR BIGGEST WTF moments, including Plotholes,etc,etc of the TF movie THREAD!

[nosebleed.]

Hacker = criminal = only black people commit crime in America

I hate fractions.

 

[ragdus]

And what do people mean there was no sacrifice? You mean Sam holding the Allspark while avoiding Megatron and other Decepticons wasn't a sacrifice?

He could've been killed at any moment, especially when he was on the edge of the building hiding from Megatron. So yes, there was sacrifice in the film as he was sacrificing himself.

sacrifice |ˈsakrəˌfīs|
• an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy



I don't think he ever had to do that, though he may have been willing to do so if it came down to it.

 

[ragdus]

I hate fractions.

FRACTICAN AMERICANS you racist pig.

 

[nosebleed.]

FRACTICAN AMERICANS you racist pig.

[petercullen]mybad[/petercullen]

 

[CFlash]

Hacker = criminal = only black people commit crime in America

That's not it. I dunno... tough to explain... but maybe these comparisons might work:

1) That they picked a "character" like Anthony Anderson doing harebrained stuff (like "SHE DID IT!" in the police scene) instead of, say, Ensign Mayweather from Star Trek Enterprise?

2) Picked a dumbass Puerto Rican cliche instead of, say, a Jimmy Smits type character.

BUT Sam is pretty much straight up normal and noble... not a surfer dude from Malibu?

 

[ragdus]

That's not it. I dunno... tough to explain... but maybe these comparisons might work:

1) That they picked a "character" like Anthony Anderson doing harebrained stuff (like "SHE DID IT!" in the police scene) instead of, say, Ensign Mayweather from Star Trek Enterprise?

2) Picked a dumbass Puerto Rican cliche instead of, say, a Jimmy Smits type character.

BUT Sam is pretty much straight up normal and noble... not a surfer dude from Malibu?

I was being totally facetious, of course

 

[WalterKovacs]

Here we go again...so how is being a black hacker a stereotype?

the hacker thing is irrelevant... its jsut that he was the typical loud fat black guy just like he was in amos and andy. anderson proved over the last few years hes a darn good actor but then he takes this role which was like straight outta amos and andy. it set black people back the way mario did italians. btw im white.

 

[WalterKovacs]

And what do people mean there was no sacrifice? You mean Sam holding the Allspark while avoiding Megatron and other Decepticons wasn't a sacrifice?

He could've been killed at any moment, especially when he was on the edge of the building hiding from Megatron. So yes, there was sacrifice in the film as he was sacrificing himself.

yeah but he never did get sacrificed. i dont necesarily want that to have happened but he almost sacrificed something.

 

[JP]

The Pentagon meeting. I was like "What? MORE characters?"

 

[CFlash]

yeah but he never did get sacrificed. i dont necesarily want that to have happened but he almost sacrificed something.

Sam tried his pretty little heart out to protect that cube. But *Effort* is not the same as Sacrifice. The dude sacrificed nothing.

And he got a phat-ass awesome $30,000+ car to boot-- for $4,000! t:

 

[ragdus]

What would have been icing on the cake would be:

For Sam to jump in front of Megatron to protect Optimus, get cut in half, then subsequently get reformed by the cube.

Sacrifice baby. It's what all the Camaro driving nerds are doing.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

No Autobot deserved a quick death scene. That would be like killing Iceman in an X-men movie without any sense of loss.

What about Cyclops?

ZINGER!

 

[Disclaimer]

In 'Transformers', something was said that seemed so ridiculous to me that my suspension of disbelief - already hanging by a thin thread - was completely ruined. Since I've been physically unable to attend a paid screening of the film due to having a set of morals and ethics, I'll quote the comic variation of the script:

'That's Megatron - leader of the Decepticons!'

'Basically, the bad guys.'

'Been in cryo-stasis nearly a hundred years. Fact is, you're looking at the source of the machines of the modern age - all reverse-engineered by studying him.'

'But why are they here? Why Earth?'

'The Allspark. Megatron wants it to transform all our technology and take over the universe.'

So, in a nutshell, Megatron arrived sometime around 1907 with the intention of using our technology for his own evil means. Unfortunately for him, he was frozen. Fortunately for us, his presence allowed us to create our advanced technology.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Megatron simply come to earth because it happened to be the location the Allspark landed?

If he did come to earth planning to transform our technology, how far was he going to get in universe domination with 1907 technology?

To illustrate my point, here are a few pieces of technology from the early 20th century:

I know, I know... it's a Michael Bay action blockbuster and you're not supposed to read into, enjoy, believe, question or even pay attention to the script.

Humour me.

Have I really followed the logic correctly? Or did I miss some other piece of exposition?

 

[JP]

Ouch.

 

[ragdus]

It's already been explained that Sam mis-spoke what was told to him, so this thread is utterly useless.

 

[CFlash]

Not to mention that the industrial revolution started WAY before 1907.
So what was it that Megatron gave us? The Vacumm tube. Nah. That was Edison like 30 years before that. The transistor (which replaced the vacuum tube)? Possible. Maybe this is what they mean?

 

[ragdus]

Not to mention that the industrial revolution started WAY before 1907.
So what was it that Megatron gave us? The Vacumm tube. Nah. That was Edison like 30 years before that. The transistor (which replaced the vacuum tube)? Possible. Maybe this is what they mean?

They specifically stated microprocessors and lasers. I guess the rest is left to speculation.

 

[CFlash]

BTW, the story makes two sweeping assumptions about the audience:

1) That they have no idea when the industrial revolution happened.

2) That microchips (specifically, the transistor?) are some awesome weird things that didn't come from earlier inventions before Megs arrived like the vacuum tube.

 

[Disclaimer]

It's already been explained that Sam mis-spoke what was told to him, so this thread is utterly useless.

Oh, I'm sorry. I don't read each and every thread, nor each and every post within the ones I do.

You will forgive me, won't you?

Now, was this explanation within the film or in online discussion? Was it a side note from the writers or mentioned in the novel that very few audience members will be reading?

Scriptwriting doesn't work if you can just go back and say 'Oh, he didn't mean it'. Every point that needs to be conveyed needs to either be onscreen or implied. This - from what I can tell - was neither.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[ragdus]

BTW, the story makes two sweeping assumptions about the audience:

1) That they have no idea when the industrial revolution happened.

2) That microchips (specifically, the transistor?) are some awesome weird things that didn't come from earlier inventions before Megs arrived like the vacuum tube.

To be honest, in this day and age, I think it's safe to say that 90+% of the people were totally oblivious to either of those discrepancies.

 

[ragdus]

Oh, I'm sorry. I don't read each and every thread, nor each and every post within the ones I do.

You will forgive me, won't you?

No. Specifically if you didn't even bother checking through the Plot Hole thread that's still on the very first page of this forum.

Now, was this explanation within the film or in online discussion? Was it a side note from the writers or mentioned in the novel that very few audience members will be reading?

Was his mistake explained? Not after the fact, no. Prior, it was told to him that Megatron came to Earth to get the Allspark. He knew of it's exact location. The magnetic poles jacked up his guidance systems on entry and he crash landed, where he remained frozen.

The big threat NOW was that if the Decepticons successfully reanimated him, he could get the Allspark and use the technology now abundant on Earth to make more Decepticons.

Scriptwriting doesn't work if you can just go back and say 'Oh, he didn't mean it'. Every point that needs to be conveyed needs to either be onscreen or implied. This - from what I can tell - was neither.

I don't think anyone's claiming this was a well authored script. But I'm willing to let the verbal slip slide considering the character had subsequently become a central figure in a war between alien robotic races and he may have had a little trouble retaining information while being thrust into the most extreme of circumstances in a very short amount of time.

 

[blind_fury]

What about Cyclops?

ZINGER!

yeah, my point still stands.

 

[Nokio]

The movie had some plotholes but damn if it wasn't good.

The Allspark making cellphones or soda machines into robots and why were they automatically bad?

The Decepticons having no personality what so ever. What happened to Starscream? No devolpment for them at all.

Wasn't Devestator the huge robot that was formed by all the constructicons? I'm pretty sure he was.

 

[CFlash]

The movie had some plotholes but damn if it wasn't good.

Huge Plot Holes = Bad Movie.... just my opinion. Else why not just string together the action scenes- make it a short movie and attach it to the beginning of a REAL movie (like they used to do back in the old days of cinema) and call it a day.

The Allspark making cellphones or soda machines into robots and why were they automatically bad?

People are guessing because the movie says all our technology came from Megatron. Which is a huge plot hole in and of itself that banks on the audience being ignorant (see this thread: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=277856)

The Decepticons having no personality what so ever. What happened to Starscream? No devolpment for them at all.

2 sentences spoken between Megatron and Starscream seems to be all they wanted.

Wasn't Devestator the huge robot that was formed by all the constructicons? I'm pretty sure he was.

They say his name was to be "Brawl." But a mistake was made during post-production. Seems pretty amatuerish if you ask me.

 

[ragdus]

They say his name was to be "Brawl." But a mistake was made during post-production. Seems pretty amatuerish if you ask me.

Not to mention that they seem to have wasted an awful lot of time fixating on the names of characters that were total throwaways in the script.