Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League

[jmc]

You know I think WB should have just bit the bullet back in February and sacked Snyder then. The whole critic embargoes, trailer showing best parts of the movie, worldwide release. They knew it wasn't going to get the best reception. The only thing BVS had going for it was the hype, and marketing. Nearly all insiders where unanimously saying the movies was good. The movie was pretty well hidden.

A Snyder departure back in February would have set alarm bells off to everyone that the movie wasn't good even if the headline read something like "Zack Snyder wants to spend more time with family". And WB had no confidence in Snyder or BVS. Two months before production wouldn't net you someone like JJ Abrams or Cuaron. But they could have aimed for a lesser known up and comer like (tossing in Joe Cornish Attack the Block as an example or Alex Garland Ex Machina). Took Marvel little over two weeks to find Peyton Reed after Edgar Wright left.

WB put themselves into a no win situation, and frankly I have zero sympathy for them. They were so hell bent on achieving Avengers level success without putting in the hard work to do it. We are essentially back to where we were 20 years ago with Batman and Robin, only this time WB are pressing ahead regardless, which is frankly foolish. But WB have no-one to blame but themselves.

 

[Tony Gunk]

You know I think WB should have just bit the bullet back in February and sacked Snyder then. The whole critic embargoes, trailer showing best parts of the movie, worldwide release. They knew it wasn't going to get the best reception. The only thing BVS had going for it was the hype, and marketing. Nearly all insiders where unanimously saying the movies was good. The movie was pretty well hidden.

A Snyder departure back in February would have set alarm bells off to everyone that the movie wasn't good even if the headline read something like "Zack Snyder wants to spend more time with family". And WB had no confidence in Snyder or BVS. Two months before production wouldn't net you someone like JJ Abrams or Cuaron. But they could have aimed for a lesser known up and comer like (tossing in Joe Cornish Attack the Block as an example or Alex Garland Ex Machina). Took Marvel little over two weeks to find Peyton Reed after Edgar Wright left.

I thought they should have canned him after Man of Steel, a film which I actually like. But I just know he's incapable of making a real high quality film that most people can get on board with so I really felt they should have went with someone else going forward.

I think it's safe to say Snyders only further cemented that view, difference now is I would stick up for him before, but with what he's done in BvS I actually feel resentment towards him now.

I find it depressing that the a Justice League is finally happening and I can't really enjoy it because he's in charge. WB did make a rod for their own back though, I mean how does a guy misfire twice with two big budget films and still get a THIRD bite at the cherry, it's crazy.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I thought he could either equal or do better than MOS. I did not see Snyder taking a step backward, and I wonder if the reason MOS was better is because Nolan was more involved that time. Then they gave him total freedom to handle BvS, and some of it imploded.

 

[lukebrodyg]

WB put themselves into a no win situation, and frankly I have zero sympathy for them. They were so hell bent on achieving Avengers level success without putting in the hard work to do it. We are essentially back to where we were 20 years ago with Batman and Robin, only this time WB are pressing ahead regardless, which is frankly foolish. But WB have no-one to blame but themselves.

 

[Verick808]

Ignore it, none of that post makes sense let alone a single sentence. I have pretty much all of them on ignore and it's been a pleasant experience over the last week which is why I have to keep recommending it.
Arguing is stipid. No one is changing anyone's mind, we can't even agree on how well like MoS is three years later.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I'd compare it more to Superman Returns. A decent movie that made it's money back. Although Returns got an overall Meh than outright hatred. Good special effects (Airplane scene in particular/fight scenes in BVS), mostly good actors ( except for Eisenberg/Bosworth), odd characterization choices (Stalker Superman/unsure Superman), and a wonky storyline (Lex Land scheme/Lex's overall manipulation).

WB was unsure about a Returns Sequel for years until MOS reboot.
To Bad Bryan Singer's a good director, and I liked the classic superman Brandon Routh embodied. Unfortunetly the movie was boring at times. The biggest thing missing in Returns was action, and Singer wanted Brainiac/Darksied as villains for the sequels.

 

[Legendver2]

I can see how some might be disappointed or straight up hated BvS, but I can never understand how some can compare it to the likes of Batman & Robin, Catwoman, and GL

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I can see how some might be disappointed or straight up hated BvS, but I can never understand how some can compare it to the likes of Batman & Robin, Catwoman, and GL

Hyperbole is a helluva drug.

 

[jmc]

I keep forgetting people on the internet have the tendency to take everything written literally. When I say we're back to were we were with Batman and Robin I'm talking about the franchise being at its lowest point, which is exactly where we are right now.

 

[Verick808]

I keep forgetting people on the internet have the tendency to take everything written literally. When I say we're back to were we were with Batman and Robin I'm talking about the franchise being at its lowest point, which is exactly where we are right now.

That I can agree with but then again I loved MoS. Some would argue that WB shouldn't have quit after Batman and Robin. I wonder how the world would have received MoS if we had gotten Burton's version instead of SR.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I wonder if all will be forgiven if Snyder shows up to SDCC with footage or will people be like it was with Trank's Fantastic4?

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Rumor has it studios might be giving up on Hall H after last year, especially WB after the Suicide Squad trailer leaked over a year before the movie was supposed to come out. That or they'll go the route of just releasing anything they show immediately to the public.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I said it elsewhere but the marketing team and Snyder need to sell people on the more fun JL with a lighter tone if they want any hope of recapturing the audience they lost with BVS.

The trailers, the posters, the interviews all got to push it
with the exception of Batman of course, don't want to see the JL posters looking like this

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If I were the studios I wouldn't show any footage at comic con either because people won't respect the treat they got and will record it and put it on YouTube.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I said it elsewhere but the marketing team and Snyder need to sell people on the more fun JL with a lighter tone if they want any hope of recapturing the audience they lost with BVS.

The trailers, the posters, the interviews all got to push it
with the exception of Batman of course, don't want to see the JL posters looking like this

Spoiler

Yep they have to work to get people back. The first thing to do of course is to make a much better film that is also crowd pleasing/entertaining.

The second thing is to avoid marketing materials like that. Every time they released one of those grim pictures people made fun of them. No more relentlessly grim photos and trailers unless they don't even want a decent opening weekend.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Rumor has it studios might be giving up on Hall H after last year, especially WB after the Suicide Squad trailer leaked over a year before the movie was supposed to come out. That or they'll go the route of just releasing anything they show immediately to the public.

I never got the logic of holding things back anyway, you want to build hype. SS should be the perfect model, show the vid, get people talking, then release it official.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I keep forgetting people on the internet have the tendency to take everything written literally. When I say we're back to were we were with Batman and Robin I'm talking about the franchise being at its lowest point, which is exactly where we are right now.

You back?

Aftah making a big deal about leaving this section, yo ass gotta pay rent.

 

[WBwins]

It's probably the more important question too. Who exactly is looking over these movies at WB? Remember, there were rumours about Mad Max making WB very nervous before it was released too, and it become a critical acclaimed movie. It's entirely possible WB is full of people who are completely blind to the quality of the movies that are being made there, which would be mind boggling.

It all comes.down to.a simple fact:WB needs a kevin feige who can do quality control on this movies

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

People mention johns involvement, but he's been there on the past two hasn't he, I don't think the guy is cutting it.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

That's the issue with the DCEU braintrust people like Geoff Johns got other jobs to do in addition to heading the DCEU.

 

[Lord]

If I were the studios I wouldn't show any footage at comic con either because people won't respect the treat they got and will record it and put it on YouTube.

So what? That usualy helps build hype even more. That leaked Suicide Squad trailer was the reason the studio decided to then reveal the complete trailer to the public.

 

[Chesterfield]

If I were the studios I wouldn't show any footage at comic con either because people won't respect the treat they got and will record it and put it on YouTube.

Tbh, I think WB/DC need to do the opposite. They need to give back and win back favour, appreciation and trust. Strategies to use exclusive and clandestine footage seen by a select lucky few isn't the way to go forward in repositioning themselves for this particular movie. WB/DC are at the mercy of fans and audiences and besides making an excellent and enjoyable film, they've got a lot of asses to kiss to endear themselves as to why anyone should give a ****.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

It all comes.down to.a simple fact:WB needs a kevin feige who can do quality control on this movies

I think playing to the "sameness" of the MCU helps Marvel. DC's strength has always been the fact they have wildly varying types of stories.

I mean, Batman can switch between straight superhero, thriller, or sci-fi.

I think they just need to turn off trying to make there universe fit together like Marvel. They should have started with the Multiverse then pulled back from there.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Tbh, I think WB/DC need to do the opposite. They need to give back and win back favour, appreciation and trust. Strategies to use exclusive and clandestine footage seen by a select lucky few isn't the way to go forward in repositioning themselves for this particular movie. WB/DC are at the mercy of fans and audiences and besides making an excellent and enjoyable film, they've got a lot of asses to kiss to endear themselves as to why anyone should give a ****.

If they get Squad and WW right, it will go a bit towards shifting the problem to an isolated situation with Snyder. If SS and WW don't do better than the low bar set by MOS, then I think all is lost on this ship.

 

[jmc]

I think playing to the "sameness" of the MCU helps Marvel. DC's strength has always been the fact they have wildly varying types of stories.

I mean, Batman can switch between straight superhero, thriller, or sci-fi.

I think they just need to turn off trying to make there universe fit together like Marvel. They should have started with the Multiverse then pulled back from there.

The problem is though you get inconsistency, or worse a string of movies that are flat out bad because there was no oversight. If Marvel has proven anything is that this concept needs overarching leadership, and WB has none.