🇮🇷 The Iran Thread II

Will the United States go to war with Iran in either 2012 or 2013?

  • Yes, definitely.

  • Possibly.

  • I dont know.

  • Probably not.

  • Definitely not.


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I was invited to an Iranian guy's house and they made some dish with cooked lemons, it was horrendous, but most of the other food was pretty good. In terms of smell, I don't remember it being that bad. However, cook onions, garlic, lemons with an opening to an encased courtyard with +100 degree temperature, I could see that getting nauseating.
 
It'll make your eyes water....lol
 
This article really gives a clear point of view from the Russian side about the tension between Iran and the West.

US may be seeking provocation to launch war against Iran

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Published 24 September, 2010, 18:15
Edited 26 September, 2010, 23:15
US rhetoric on Iran and its efforts to involve Russia is a “dangerous precedent” that may indicate that Washington is seeking a pretext to launch a war, career diplomat Dmitry Ryurikov has told RT.
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On September 22, Russia’s President Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree which bans deliveries of S-300 missile systems to Iran. Called “On Measures to Implement Resolution 1929 of June 9, 2010 of the UN Security Council,” the document prohibits any transit across Russia and the transfer to Iran of all types of combat tanks, armored personnel carriers, large-caliber artillery systems, warplanes, helicopter gunships, warships, missiles or missile systems as defined in the UN Register of Conventional Arms.
Dmitry Ryurikov, a diplomat who served for long periods in Iran, Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, has shared his view on the issue with RT – its timing, possible consequences and the general situation around Iran.
Dmitry Ryurikov

- Member, Council for Foreign and Defense Policy (from its inception in 1992 to this day)

– Leading Research Fellow, Center for Euro-Atlantic Studies, Institute of Topical International Problems, Diplomatic Academy, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Russian Federation

– Staff Member, USSR Embassies in Iran and Afghanistan (1970-1980)

– Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (Ret.), Russia; served in Uzbekistan (1999-2003) and Denmark (2003-2007) with the ambassadorial rank

– Aide for International Affairs to President Yeltsin of Russia (1991-1997)

– Has a command of English, French, and Farsi

RT: Medvedev signed the decree to the effect that Russia began implementing the UN July sanctions. Why was the decree signed precisely now?


Dmitry Ryurikov: The sanctions announcement was no news. The decision was accepted and all work involving arms deliveries was stopped earlier.

I would point to the fact that the signing of the decree is timed to coincide with the current UN General Assembly that is being attended by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, who is causing displeasure by his extensive media appearances. He was invited by Larry King. He granted an interview to RT and others. Whether it is a chance coincidence, I wouldn’t know. The US media noted that Mr. Ahmadinejad became a hero of the day and was outperforming his opponents. He urged President Obama several times to have a public meeting with him at the General Assembly in the presence of representatives of other countries and to discuss all issues that were causing questions. This, of course, couldn’t fail to be an irritant. It was at this point that Russia’s announcement was made, which, however, had in it nothing new.

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RT: Why did Russia sign sanctions that could go against its own economic interests?
DR: Obviously, Russia believed that joining the sanctions was more to its benefit than having relations with Iran in that sphere.
RT: What’s Russia’s benefit? It would have been paid $1 billion for its S-300 systems. Iran intended to offer Russia a commission for another 18 atomic stations. Now its rivals will be tickled to take over the orders.
DR: In all evidence, calculations of possible benefits and losses were made. The losses are obvious. Where benefits are concerned, they have not been yet outlined. This way or other, it’s the business of our current foreign policy planners. It’ll become clear later whether they were right or wrong in their planning.
RT: What losses are more painful? Image? Money?
DR: It depends on what point of view you choose. The US, on the contrary, sees this step as beneficial for Russia. It can only welcome the step. The Iranian reaction, as is natural, was diametrically opposite.
What the US will end up with if it attacks Iran:


- the attacker’s facilities will become legitimate targets

– the war will be neither easy, nor rapid

– the consequences for the US, the world, the region and Israel are hard to calculate


RT: The US welcomed Russia’s move. Right after that, media reported that the Iranian and US sides met in New York.
DR: I would like to believe that this event really took place and that it was not the last one. If President Obama didn’t respond to President Ahmadinejad’s appeal to meet in New York, at least their advisers did by starting negotiations. After all, claims regarding preemptive strikes at Iran’s nuclear facilities are a reality. Both in the US and Israel, there are people who would like these strikes to be delivered. US generals have been reporting lately that they are ready to launch them.
Sanctions played a significant part in the case of Iraq and Yugoslavia. They weaken the country they are imposed against and are, to quote Congressman Ron Paul, precursors to a war. Thus, the situation remains perilous. Not long ago, Secretary of State Clinton practically called for a regime change in Iran. Tensions never subside.
RT: What is holding the United States back regardless of its aggressive rhetoric?
DR:It needs a pretext. Iran’s nuclear program theme, no matter how much it is belabored by the media, the IAEA and the UN, provides no such pretexts because nothing has been proved.
Let me remind you that two weeks before the last US elections in 2008, Vice President Joe Biden went on record as saying that there were several scenarios for a certain generated crisis, to wit, a war. The Americans will have to tighten their belts. At first they won’t understand why all of that is needed. But they’ll approve everything eventually. Among other places, Biden localized the scenario in the Middle East. This caused a minor scandal which soon petered out. But it must not be forgotten that the generated crisis scenarios are there, the crisis may become a reality, and as envisaged by the scenario, President Obama should cope with it, that is, win. One is tempted to ask this question: Aren’t certain people in interested states inviting a solution by force?

Why Iran is not Iraq

- population 75 million (Iraq’s is variously estimated as being anywhere between 26 and 32 million)

– a well-trained army, fully mobilized and drilled

– a retaliatory scenario available for attacks on the adversary

RT: What is it that Iran has annoyed President Obama with?

DR: Barack Obama would prefer to take some constructive steps, to find a solution. But aside from him there are many other people that would like to make the Iraq-Afghanistan-Iran region homogenous in the political and economic sense. Besides, it is a strategically crucial region, something that explains the constant questions being posed to Iran via the IAEA. Let me stress that these sorts of frictions between the IAEA and any sovereign state are inadmissible. Should the IAEA so wish, all their grievances could be easily removed at the procedural level.
I don’t rule out that the scenario might have included such a thing as a false-flag attack, or, plainly speaking, a provocation.
One of these days, the prominent US journalist Bob Woodward, author of the best-selling All the President’s Men, is going to publish his new book of talks with President Obama and relevant materials. According to press reports, speaking in an interview with Woodward in July of this year, Obama said the United States could have withstood 9/11 and emerged stronger. Certain US observers feared that the estimate might be signaling readiness for a new attack of this kind, which should meet with a powerful rebuff directed at some terrorists with a clearly defined “Iranian address.” I don’t want to say that any administration may engage in those affairs. But there are people without an official status, who may wish to help the administration obtain a casus belli. They are offering plain-text advice to that effect.
RT: It looks like Iran itself is a target for ground and air terrorist attacks. How can it now be turned into an enemy?
DR: “False-flag attacks” as a war-starting method were time and again used in the 20th Century.
RT: As President Ahmadinejad was delivering his speech in the UN, the simultaneous translation was suddenly discontinued. He made a relevant observation but there was no reaction. Is this an ordinary situation in the UN? Reasons for constant escalation of tensions by the US

- a propensity to solve America’s domestic problems by launching wars in areas of the world far removed from the USA

– a strong political lobby of “chair-borne hawks”

– the wish to involve “third countries” like Russia and China in hostile activities


DR: These things shouldn’t happen in principle. It’s yet another indication of the fact that the UN, like other international organizations, can be influenced. The same goes for the selectiveness of the IAEA grievances. Their structures are not fully independent and sovereign. Clear technical errors of this nature cannot be explained by certain circumstances.
RT: There are a great variety of expert estimates regarding Iran’s military might, ranging from very low to quite flattering. What is the reason?
DR: Iran’s putative adversary is exceedingly powerful militarily. The Iranian armaments, from the point of view of Iran itself, may look sufficiently strong to beat back an attack. But the thing is that the armaments wielded by those who will wish to oppose Iran have been tested, whereas Iranian tests have been held on much rarer occasions. But in saying that, we should keep in mind that the level of armaments is not the only decisive factor. Suffice it to look at Afghanistan, Iran’s neighbor. There is no comparison between the potential of US troops and the groups that oppose them in Afghanistan. And yet those groups constantly create very serious problems for the Americans.
RT: If a worst-case scenario is out and Iran is attacked, will the developments follow the same path as in Afghanistan and Iraq?
DR: I think that in this case the developments will follow a different path. We should keep in mind that in that case all the facilities of the attacking nations will be legitimate targets for Iran. To me, this is the burden of what Ahmadinejad said about that war not being limited to any one country or region. So it’s very difficult to foresee what a war will be all about. A high-ranking US general was right in saying that it was easy to push the button but it was a big question what would follow. A military conflict with a state possessing fairly good armaments, a population of over 70 million, and a trained army will be grave and long-term. No one can predict what its consequences will be.


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They are seeking provocations, but also support. China, Turkey, and Russia have to back this attack.
 
Who is the aggressor?

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The CIA will be knocking on your door soon, Kel.

...

If they havent already taken you. :wow:
 
I was invited to an Iranian guy's house and they made some dish with cooked lemons, it was horrendous, but most of the other food was pretty good. In terms of smell, I don't remember it being that bad. However, cook onions, garlic, lemons with an opening to an encased courtyard with +100 degree temperature, I could see that getting nauseating.

i reckon they made you gormeh sabzee ... the best iranian food is chello kebab, rice and salad shirazi !
next time ask for that !
 
Who says it's the CIA? Anonymous, for example, happens to have a history of messing with the computers of religious cult organizations, too (and Iran's government technically is a religious cult organization). In their eyes, the only real difference between Scientology and Iran would be that Iran wants nukes.
 
Imagine if a worm caused a nuclear meltdown.
 
Ahhh you shouldn't post that..................................they are everywhere...:ninja:

The CIA will be knocking on your door soon, Kel.

...

If they havent already taken you. :wow:

Who says it's the CIA? Anonymous, for example, happens to have a history of messing with the computers of religious cult organizations, too (and Iran's government technically is a religious cult organization). In their eyes, the only real difference between Scientology and Iran would be that Iran wants nukes.

The news has been talking about it possibly being our government, or our government working through a proxy like Israel since this happened....

Puuuuullllleeeeaaaassseeeee.....I ain't afraid of some CIA, now KGB?????? that's different.
 
As long as we could prove it (and I'm sure we could) I dont see why not.
 
I wonder if we would consider an Iranian hack attack on one of our nuke plants an act of war?


Yeah, definately. Hopefully, we would catch it before anything happend.
 
LOL! One of the most sophisticated computer viruses ever! Poor Iran. All they want is POWER.
 
Why do I get the feeling that if US actually declares War on Iran, NK will join Iran? I'm sure you guys would still win, but hey, I wouldn't be surprised :o
 
Why do I get the feeling that if US actually declares War on Iran, NK will join Iran? I'm sure you guys would still win, but hey, I wouldn't be surprised :o

War won't happen.

More idle threats? No doubt that will continue to happen. That's the most likely route that will likely happen: The US will continue to make threats and do nothing to back those threats.
 
Why do I get the feeling that if US actually declares War on Iran, NK will join Iran? I'm sure you guys would still win, but hey, I wouldn't be surprised :o

I think the best we can hope for, since I believe this disastrous war is terrifyingly inevitable, is that they actually declare war this time so that the mechanization of war is at least somewhat transparent. The U.S. hasn't done that since Pearl Harbor.
 
WikiLeaks: Mideast nations urged strike on Iran

Secret U.S. diplomatic cables obtained by WikiLeaks reveal distress among Mideast nations over Iran with some leaders urging the U.S. to take whatever steps necessary to halt its nuclear program.

Summaries of discussions with Mideast leaders between 2006 and 2009 — published Sunday on the New York Times website, among others — indicate at least two countries favoured U.S. military action to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

During a meeting on Nov. 4, 2009, between Bahrain's King Hamad and U.S. Gen. David Petraeus, the king argued forcefully for U.S. action against Iran, saying: "That program must be stopped. The danger of letting it go on is greater than the danger of stopping it."

The account is included in a summary of the meeting sent to Washington by the U.S. ambassador to Bahrain.

Saudi Arabia also urged the U.S. to take a hard line against Iran. A summary of a meeting on April 20, 2008, between U.S. officials and Saudi King Abdullah noted the king's frequent exhortations to the U.S. to attack Iran and put an end to its nuclear weapons program.

"He told you to cut off the head of the snake," Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the U.S. is quoted as saying.

"The foreign minister also stated that the use of military pressure against Iran should not be ruled out," the summary said, while noting that the minister called for "much more severe U.S. and international sanctions on Iran."

However, the United Arab Emirates took a softer line on Iran, according to a summary of a meeting on April 29, 2006, with Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed and his brother, who was foreign minister.

"As tensions escalate between Iran and the international community, the UAE is growing increasingly nervous," the ambassador reported. "Although the UAE regards Iran as one of its most serious threats to national security, UAE officials are reluctant to take actions that could provoke their neighbor and compromise their extensive trading relationship."

Not surprisingly, Israel encouraged a hardline stance on Iran.

A summary prepared June 2, 2009, of two meetings in Tel Aviv with Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak quoted him as saying "no option should be removed from the table" when confronting Iran and North Korea.

Barak added that engagement with Iran would only work in conjunction with a credible military option, it said.

The summary, prepared by the U.S. ambassador to Israel, said, "Mr. Barak had argued that the world had six to 18 months 'in which stopping Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons might still be viable.' After that, Mr. Barak said 'any military solution would result in unacceptable collateral damage.'"
 

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