🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[blueharvest]

Democrats investigate Elon Musk’s SpaceX over Russian ‘misuse’ of Starlink

House Democrats write to company about Russia’s alleged use of satellite internet service in war against Ukraine

www.theguardian.com

 

[blueharvest]

Poland sees its most violent protest yet by farmers and supporters against Ukraine imports, EU rules

Poland has seen its most violent protest by farmers and supporters yet as some participants threw stones at police and tried to push through barriers around parliament.

apnews.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

India busts trafficking racket duping people into fighting for Russia in Ukraine

At least two men who went to Russia expecting to work as “helpers” in the army have died while fighting at the front, their families have said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[squeekness]

India busts trafficking racket duping people into fighting for Russia in Ukraine

At least two men who went to Russia expecting to work as “helpers” in the army have died while fighting at the front, their families have said.

www.nbcnews.com

Scummy. Why do people have to suck so much?

 

[blueharvest]

Russia Is Replacing Lost Radar Planes, So Ukraine Just Hit The Factory

The Russian air force's rare A-50 radar planes aren't safe in the air or on the ground.

www.forbes.com

 

[blueharvest]

Poland's foreign minister says the presence of NATO troops in Ukraine is 'not unthinkable'

Poland’s foreign minister says the presence of NATO forces “is not unthinkable” and that he appreciates the French president for not ruling out that idea.

apnews.com

 

[squeekness]

Russia Is Replacing Lost Radar Planes, So Ukraine Just Hit The Factory

The Russian air force's rare A-50 radar planes aren't safe in the air or on the ground.

www.forbes.com

I hope Putin is screaming in frustration.

 

[blueharvest]

Brussels aims to fast-track up to €3bn for Ukraine from frozen Russian assets

First tranche of profits from Euroclear could be available as soon as July, if EU capitals approve

www.ft.com

 

[DA_Champion]

For those who mock Putin for having people thrown out of windows, a Boeing whistleblower (John Barnett) here in the United States is reported as having "committed suicide" -- which is what I suspect they sometimes say in Russia.

This has a further significance in this debate, as the decline of Boeing is a contributing factor to NATO's ineffectiveness in Ukraine, Africa, China, and the Middle East.

 

[blueharvest]

US to send Ukraine $300m weapons package even as stockpiles dwindle

The US will send $300m of weapons to Ukraine even as $10bn is needed to restore the stockpiles of weapons it has sent to Kyiv to aid them in its fight against the years-long Russian invasion.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Dr.]

"power should change hands" - Alexei Navalny

 

[DA_Champion]

This tweet hasn't aged well.


Russia has now overtaken Germany as the world's 5th largest economy, thanks in part to the sanctions.

The track record of sanctions in general is pretty poor. It's fine for the philosophy of sanctions to be reevaluated.

 

[squeekness]

This tweet hasn't aged well.


Russia has now overtaken Germany as the world's 5th largest economy, thanks in part to the sanctions.

The track record of sanctions in general is pretty poor. It's fine for the philosophy of sanctions to be reevaluated.

I've been questioning the efficacy of sanctions for a while now. Not slowing Putin down any it seems.

 

[blueharvest]

Russia claims 65 drones shot down over 6 regions overnight and morning

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the air defense shot down one drone over Leningrad Oblast, one over Ryazan Oblast, eight over Bryansk Oblast, eight over Kursk Oblast, 12 over Belgorod Oblast, and 35 over Voronezh Oblast.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Mani-Man]

I've been questioning the efficacy of sanctions for a while now. Not slowing Putin down any it seems.

But they do, dont let Russian Propaganda fool you on that.
Next to working his people to the bone while Birth rates are down, he forced everything into maintaining the War so much that everything else is neglected.
People were hoping for the Sanctions to hit fast and hard, i get that...but that wasnt in the cards.

If Europe would have been a more stable and profitable partner, most countries who still do business with Russia, would not do so.
But Europe failed on that as a whole.
We relied too much on outside countries like china, usa and russia...that made Europe less profitable.
So the sanctions arent as effective as we would want that.

But the sanctions work over time.
Russia needs to burn through more and more of its reserves, has turned its whole economy etc to feed the War so much that it will cause Russia incredible damage once the War ends.

 

[DA_Champion]

But they do, dont let Russian Propaganda fool you on that.
Next to working his people to the bone while Birth rates are down, he forced everything into maintaining the War so much that everything else is neglected.
People were hoping for the Sanctions to hit fast and hard, i get that...but that wasnt in the cards.

If Europe would have been a more stable and profitable partner, most countries who still do business with Russia, would not do so.
But Europe failed on that as a whole.
We relied too much on outside countries like china, usa and russia...that made Europe less profitable.
So the sanctions arent as effective as we would want that.

But the sanctions work over time.
Russia needs to burn through more and more of its reserves, has turned its whole economy etc to feed the War so much that it will cause Russia incredible damage once the War ends.

Your cope is strong.

Birth rates are dropping nearly everywhere.

As for the rest of the world still doing business with Russia, they know what would happen if the USA conquered Russia and broke it up into twenty five different microstates. The West would then move on to attacking China and re-colonizing Africa. Macron is extremely pissed at Russia for what happened in the African Sahel -- they told France to get lost.

Europe will now fail harder, and they are failing harder, because the sanctions cut their access to cheap Russian natural resources. Germany had a long term contract for cheap Russian gas. They broke the contract and now they pay more for gas, ergo Germany is deindustrializing.

There are very deep reasons why sanctions are not working. You left one out though -- they strengthened Putin. He could now say to his country "see, the West hates us and wants to destroy us all cost, they won't even let us vacation in Paris". They neutered the Russian opposition. The oligarchs now have to invest in Russia since they can't invest in Europe.

Lastly, Europe banned Russian commercial flights from flying over Europe, so Russia banned European flights from flying over Russia. Who do you think that hurts more?

 

[DA_Champion]

As for Europe, I think it's game over. Their growth in the past few decades is built off three pillars:

- Cheap natural resources from Africa and Russia, that's ending.
- The USA pays for their defense, that's ending.
- China provides base manufacturing for their luxury manufacturing, that's ending too. China will now produce luxury.

Europe will become a petting zoo for wealthy tourists from the Arab and East Asian countries. 500 years of striping the rest of the world and nothing to show for it.

 

[squeekness]

Better than sanctions would be giving frozen Russian assets to Ukraine more quickly. Maybe that would do more in ending the war.

 

[blueharvest]

Polish leader presses Johnson on Ukraine aid: ‘Fate of millions of people’ depends on it

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk this week called on Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) to move a Senate-passed Ukraine funding package that has stalled in the House, warning the “fate of millions of pe…

thehill.com

 

[blueharvest]

Democrats plead with Johnson to put Ukraine bill on floor: ‘Lead, follow or get out of the way’

A bicameral group of Democrats pleaded to House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) to put the Senate’s foreign aid bill, which includes Ukraine aid, to a floor vote, emphasizing that the war-torn c…

thehill.com

 

[blueharvest]

Putin’s new comments up the ante on discharge petition effort

As Vladimir Putin abandons the pretense about wanting peace talks, congressional Republicans in the U.S. are facing new pressure about aid to Ukraine.

www.msnbc.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Morg]

Paris mayor wants Russian athletes banned from Olympics

 

[Mani-Man]

Paris mayor wants Russian athletes banned from Olympics

Why is this not a thing already?
Russia does not deserve to take part in anything.
They attack a country currently, threaten constantly the world...empty threats but still.
Russia does all they can to hurt the world, why should they be allowed to participate in such events that are meant for the world to come together?
Russia has not place in the Olympics or anything.

 

[blueharvest]

Why is this not a thing already?
Russia does not deserve to take part in anything.
They attack a country currently, threaten constantly the world...empty threats but still.
Russia does all they can to hurt the world, why should they be allowed to participate in such events that are meant for the world to come together?
Russia has not place in the Olympics or anything.

Russia should absolutely be banned from the Olympics this year.

Also, based on what they've been doing for the past several months, Israel should probably be banned, too.