🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[DA_Champion]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/02/europe/russia-defense-ministry-shakeup-intl/index.html

With shake-up at defense ministry, ‘Putin’s chef’ gets his wish from beyond the grave​

CNN is so bad.

1) Shoigu wasn't fired from the defense ministry, he was promoted to the security council.

2) Firing people for corruption is a good thing. All societies have corruption, but only those societies which punish corruption can be viable for long.

On that note, this is probably a positive development here in the USA:

A retired US Navy 4-star admiral arrested in connection with an alleged bribery scheme

Robert P. Burke and two business CEOs were arrested on charges related to their alleged roles in a bribery scheme involving a US government contract.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Iceman]

Good, but scary how many artillery systems they had in the first place if that many were destroyed in just a month.

 

[squeekness]

Good, but scary how many artillery systems they had in the first place if that many were destroyed in just a month.

I thought there was some reports that China was selling them weapons, no?

 

[blueharvest]

US "civil war" predicted on Russian state TV

Russian politician Oleg Matveychev recently said, "If this does not lead to civil war, this would mean a new era of the American society."

www.newsweek.com

 

[Iceman]

Ukraine ‘fires Himars into Russia for first time’ - Yahoo News UK

Ukraine has fired US-made weapons at targets inside Russia for the first time, according to Russian sources.

uk.yahoo.com

 

[InCali]

Ukraine ‘fires Himars into Russia for first time’ - Yahoo News UK

Ukraine has fired US-made weapons at targets inside Russia for the first time, according to Russian sources.

uk.yahoo.com

Oh Wahhhhhh......you can invade a country, target civilians, and if someone fights back, it's a problem. Foff.

 

[squeekness]

Oh Wahhhhhh......you can invade a country, target civilians, and if someone fights back, it's a problem. Foff.

Seriously. What else did they expect?

 

[DA_Champion]

Seriously. What else did they expect?

I think that the Russian leadership knows that NATO wants an all out war, and their options to avoid it are limited. But they might want to buy time.

 

[InCali]

Seriously. What else did they expect?

I think it's unwise/often stupid to ascribe motivations to people (and especially countries as there are differing motivations from person to person) unless they come right out and say something (Much like Trump has done), but from where I sit, their expectations seem relatively clear. The breakup of the Soviet Union and the transformation of their economic system was a huge blow to Russia and they want to rebuild it.....only this time with a corrupted economic system; along with the ongoing politically corrupt system. In other words, they suck worse than they did.

 

[blueharvest]

Poland has arrested 18 people on allegations of planning hostile acts on behalf of Russia, Belarus

Poland's interior minister says 18 people have been arrested over the past six months on various allegations of pursuing hostile activities or planning sabotage on behalf of Russia and Belarus.

apnews.com

 

[squeekness]

Poland has arrested 18 people on allegations of planning hostile acts on behalf of Russia, Belarus

Poland's interior minister says 18 people have been arrested over the past six months on various allegations of pursuing hostile activities or planning sabotage on behalf of Russia and Belarus.

apnews.com

That's nice.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Fake Tom Cruise Movie About the Paris Olympics Tied to Russian Disinformation

The AI-generated Cruise has some humorous slip-ups no American would say.

gizmodo.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[DA_Champion]

The sad thing is a lot of people believe that any criticism of the Democratic party is due to Russian propaganda.

We saw Nancy Pelosi say that about people who don't want Palestinian children killed off.

It's unreal.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Western governments seek response to Russian acts of sabotage in Europe — Novaya Gazeta Europe

Western governments are grappling with how best to respond to an increasing number of Russian acts of sabotage in Europe, The Financial Times reported on Tuesday.

novayagazeta.eu

Ukraine sent special forces to Syria to attack Russians there, revealing a new front to the war: report

Ukrainian special forces are attacking Russian mercenaries and positions in Syria, according to the Kyiv Post, fighting alongside rebel forces.

www.businessinsider.com

US-Made M270 and HIMARS Hammer Targets Inside Russia, First Cross-Border Strikes Since Biden Green Light

Kyiv had launched its own drones and anti-aircraft missiles into Russian territory before, but never American-made high-tech M42 guided rockets. The US green-lighted the launches on Friday.

www.kyivpost.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[squeekness]

Western governments seek response to Russian acts of sabotage in Europe — Novaya Gazeta Europe

Western governments are grappling with how best to respond to an increasing number of Russian acts of sabotage in Europe, The Financial Times reported on Tuesday.

novayagazeta.eu

Ukraine sent special forces to Syria to attack Russians there, revealing a new front to the war: report

Ukrainian special forces are attacking Russian mercenaries and positions in Syria, according to the Kyiv Post, fighting alongside rebel forces.

www.businessinsider.com

US-Made M270 and HIMARS Hammer Targets Inside Russia, First Cross-Border Strikes Since Biden Green Light

Kyiv had launched its own drones and anti-aircraft missiles into Russian territory before, but never American-made high-tech M42 guided rockets. The US green-lighted the launches on Friday.

www.kyivpost.com

If Ukraine is barely holding on at home, how does acting in Syria help?

 

[DA_Champion]

If Ukraine is barely holding on at home, how does acting in Syria help?

In theory they might force Russia to divert a lot of resources there.

One way in which this war is different from all previous major wars is that large numbers of troops are rarely concentrated. That's because the satellite imaging on both sides is very, very good.

 

[blueharvest]

Tommy Tuberville Goes to Bat for Putin Yet Again

“He doesn’t want Ukraine,” Tuberville claimed. “Hell, he’s got enough land of his own.”

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[InCali]

Tommy Tuberville Goes to Bat for Putin Yet Again

“He doesn’t want Ukraine,” Tuberville claimed. “Hell, he’s got enough land of his own.”

www.thedailybeast.com

While Tommy is much, much more objective and honest than I am, there are probably 10s of thousands of dead Russians and millions of others in Russia, not to many more elsewhere, who probably disagree with him.

 

[blueharvest]

Putin warns that Russia could provide long-range weapons to others to strike Western targets

Putin also reaffirmed Moscow’s readiness to use nuclear weapons if it sees a threat to its sovereignty.

apnews.com

 

[squeekness]

Tommy Tuberville Goes to Bat for Putin Yet Again

“He doesn’t want Ukraine,” Tuberville claimed. “Hell, he’s got enough land of his own.”

www.thedailybeast.com

Wow. What reality is he living in?

 

[InCali]

Putin warns that Russia could provide long-range weapons to others to strike Western targets

Putin also reaffirmed Moscow’s readiness to use nuclear weapons if it sees a threat to its sovereignty.

apnews.com

Translation. We can bomb Ukraine, but if they bomb us back, it's your fault.

Unless Trump is elected, a country would be crazy to attack a NATO ally.

 

[DA_Champion]

Right now the impact on NATO populations of this war is high inflation, around 5-10%, which is only really impacting people in the bottom half of the economic distribution.

The tough talk will go away if our sons start dropping dead, if our cities are bombed, and if inflation reaches 50%.

The peak marginal income tax rate in 1945 was 94%, and at the time the USA was fighting weaker adversaries.