🇷🇺🇺🇦 Discussion: Relations with Russia and the war in Ukraine

[DA_Champion]

I have a story to share with you guys that I once heard from a documentary. It concerns Albert Einstein.

Back in 1914, he thought that the new war was a stupid idea. He circulated an Anti-War petition. Being naive, he thought this could help. He went around and asked people to sign his anti war petition... He got three signatures. Three !

Germans at the time all thought that the war was a great idea.

They were wrong.

Back in 1913, Germany was the world's most advanced country philosophy, technologically, and scientifically. The theory of quantum mechanics, one of our greatest achievement as a species, was being developed in Germany. Heidelberg was on par with Harvard and Oxford.

That is no longer so. They lost 6 million lives in the two world war (disproportionately young people), much of their lands and architectural heritage, and many of their best scientists and thinkers went to the USSR and the USA.

They never recovered from the world wars. They should have gone for peace, somehow, in 1914 (and 1939).

 

[DA_Champion]

Depending on your perspective, this either reflects well on Russia, or poorly on Japan and Germany. Admittedly, Putin's government was not going to be able to achieve without the help of Biden and his sanctions.

Data are from the world bank.

https://www.intellinews.com/russia-overtakes-japan-to-become-the-fourth-largest-economy-in-the-world-in-ppp-terms-328108/#:~:text=The%20World%20Bank%20improved%20Russia's,updated%20to%20reflect%202021%20figures.

 

[squeekness]

Just goes to show sanctions don't mean crap.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[blueharvest]

US to send new $225 million military aid package to Ukraine, officials say

Officials say the U.S. will send about $225 million in military aid to Ukraine in a new package.

apnews.com

 

[squeekness]

US to send new $225 million military aid package to Ukraine, officials say

Officials say the U.S. will send about $225 million in military aid to Ukraine in a new package.

apnews.com

Hope it helps.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think those warships are just for show.

But the US should end its sanctions on and occupation of Cuba.

1959 was a long time ago, move on.

 

[blueharvest]

Biden meets with Zelenskyy in Paris, apologizes for weapons delay

The meeting in the French capital comes as the United States clashes with Kyiv and the Kremlin over the decision to let Ukraine strike inside Russia using American weapons.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[blueharvest]

Under a drone-filled sky, Ukraine tries to retake a town, one house at a time

Hardened Ukrainian veterans hope new supplies of US rockets will help push Vladimir Putin’s forces back

www.theguardian.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

 

[blueharvest]

Biden says Putin won’t stop with Ukraine as ‘Moscow fails in Kharkiv offensive’

Biden and Macron release ‘roadmap’ to support Ukraine, including using frozen Russian assets

www.independent.co.uk

 

[DA_Champion]

I was listening to a discussion, yesterday and it was pointed out that India, Turkey, Saudi Arabia aren't refusing to obey America because they love Russia and China, as Western media argues.

The way it should be interpreted is that they want a multipolar world because that's their best path to development. Countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and India don't want to be on one side or other other, they want to be their own independent centers of capital accumulation.

I've been thinking the same thing. If Russia can withstand the combined might of 30 Western countries and come out stronger, as it has, that will be a debilitating blow to 500 years of colonialism and White supremacy. The converse is true if Biden succeeds in his goal of taking over Russia, that would take the world back to the year 1900.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

US says Russia’s advance on Kharkiv is ‘all but over’

The White House said Friday that Russia’s offensive in Ukraine’s northeastern Kharkiv region has stalled and is unlikely to advance any further. John Kirby, the White House national sec…

thehill.com

Zelenskyy: Russians have failed to conduct Kharkiv operation

www.pravda.com.ua

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Putin Is Running Out of Time to Achieve Breakthrough in Ukraine

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

• Russia made limited progress with Ukraine short on weapons
• Ukraine halts Russian attack as billions in arms start flowing

 

[squeekness]

Under a drone-filled sky, Ukraine tries to retake a town, one house at a time

Hardened Ukrainian veterans hope new supplies of US rockets will help push Vladimir Putin’s forces back

www.theguardian.com

Whatever it takes. This war needs to end already. Stupid waste of life.

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine says it struck a top fighter plane deep inside Russia

Ukraine says its forces have hit an ultra-modern Russian warplane stationed on an air base nearly 370 miles from the front lines.

apnews.com

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Russia Is Sending Young Africans to Die in Its War Against Ukraine​

• The Kremlin threatens to deport Africans unless they sign up
• Officials have adopted tactics first used by Wagner group

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Mani-Man]

Putin Is Running Out of Time to Achieve Breakthrough in Ukraine

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

• Russia made limited progress with Ukraine short on weapons
• Ukraine halts Russian attack as billions in arms start flowing

I dont think anybody expected Russia to be really this bad, least of all Putin.
They have all the advantages and still Ukraine manages to hold on, even when the weapons etc from the West are stuck in political nonsense.

Its dragging out this war more than it should be while every day Russia is getting more and more a ticking timebomb in terms of their economy etc.
No Propaganda can mask that and i dont know how long Putin thinks he can delude himself on this.
The Rumblings again get louder that people inside of Russia are not happy with how things go and how much they are cut off from the rest of the world thanks to a war they dont even want.

 

[DA_Champion]

Russia are not happy with how things go and how much they are cut off from the rest of the world thanks to a war they dont even want.

Russia is not cut off from "the world", just the West+vassals, which is maybe 12.5% of the world population, and they're fully aware that the West wants to conquer Russia, deplete its population and culture, and take over it's natural resources.

Russia has full diplomatic, cultural, and economic relations with China, India, the Muslim world, Africa, and Latin America.

Right now their economy is booming, but the longer the war goes on, the worse for Europe. It's not clear if Germany, for example, will ever recover from this war.

To quote one of the most powerful politicians in Germany, Annalena Baerbock, Russia can do well when Putin shows a 360 degree change in his policies.

 

[nachtschicht]

Buying into their own hype, it's what superpowers are good at. The stench of desperation has been hanging over Russia for a while now. That said, don't drop your guard.

I'm just thoroughly impressed with how well the Ukrainians have been doing so far. Let's hope there is no next time, but if there is, that the west doesn't drag its feet again, this kind of support makes all the difference. Maybe the Russians having a rough time themselves is going to help end this in a way that's not...terrible for everybody. You never know.

Ideally Russia gets nothing and pays for everything to be rebuild. Fat chance on the latter, fingers crossed for at least the former, and I'll just keep donating money

 

[blueharvest]

Ukraine's air force may keep some F-16 warplanes abroad to protect them from Russian strikes

A senior Ukrainian military officer says that the country's air force may keep some of the F-16 fighter jets it’s set to receive from its Western allies at foreign bases to protect them from Russian strikes.

apnews.com

 

[DA_Champion]

Buying into their own hype, it's what superpowers are good at. The stench of desperation has been hanging over Russia for a while now. That said, don't drop your guard.

I'm just thoroughly impressed with how well the Ukrainians have been doing so far. Let's hope there is no next time, but if there is, that the west doesn't drag its feet again, this kind of support makes all the difference. Maybe the Russians having a rough time themselves is going to help end this in a way that's not...terrible for everybody. You never know.

Ideally Russia gets nothing and pays for everything to be rebuild. Fat chance on the latter, fingers crossed for at least the former, and I'll just keep donating money

It is easy to understand this kind of baravdo -- Americans have been told (incorrectly) that Putin is responsible for Trump winning in 2016, and right now, other people (irrelevant Ukrainians) are doing the dying, and the high inflation from this war is predominantly impacting deplorables, ireedemables, young people, and minorities.

This will change if our sons and daughters are out dying in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan so that the military contractors can get rich, or if God forbid a nuke drops on us.

 

[Mani-Man]

Buying into their own hype, it's what superpowers are good at. The stench of desperation has been hanging over Russia for a while now. That said, don't drop your guard.

I'm just thoroughly impressed with how well the Ukrainians have been doing so far. Let's hope there is no next time, but if there is, that the west doesn't drag its feet again, this kind of support makes all the difference. Maybe the Russians having a rough time themselves is going to help end this in a way that's not...terrible for everybody. You never know.

Ideally Russia gets nothing and pays for everything to be rebuild. Fat chance on the latter, fingers crossed for at least the former, and I'll just keep donating money

Its about making your shadow bigger than you really are.
Russia were Pros for a long time and as you can see, their propaganda nonsense is still getting to gullible people.
But for the most part Russia made a fatal mistake with their attack on the Ukraine.
It exposed that what is behind the shadow...and that is not as big and dangerous, no matter who good their propaganda is.
For that, too much was revealed of Russias failure.

How this all ends, who knows at this stage.
I assume Russia will get the Minimum they set out to get, then there will be talks of peace.
At the moment its still a War of Endurance.

 

[Iceman]

Its about making your shadow bigger than you really are.
Russia were Pros for a long time and as you can see, their propaganda nonsense is still getting to gullible people.
But for the most part Russia made a fatal mistake with their attack on the Ukraine.
It exposed that what is behind the shadow...and that is not as big and dangerous, no matter who good their propaganda is.
For that, too much was revealed of Russias failure.

How this all ends, who knows at this stage.
I assume Russia will get the Minimum they set out to get, then there will be talks of peace.
At the moment its still a War of Endurance.

Next time they want to start something and use the words “special military operation” to
describe their plans, Russians will know that could mean a multi-year conflict.

 

[squeekness]

Russia Is Sending Young Africans to Die in Its War Against Ukraine​

• The Kremlin threatens to deport Africans unless they sign up
• Officials have adopted tactics first used by Wagner group

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Nice. More Russian men will try to leave.